He’s right, She’s Right, He’s right they can’t all be right?

by Datechguy | April 24th, 2009

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He's right, She's Right, He's right they can't all be right?

Charles’ post from yes­ter­day both­ered me a lot. The evi­dence he gave was pretty solid con­cern­ing asso­ci­a­tions and con­sid­er­ing my own post yes­ter­day on the Pau­lians and my response to com­ments it was some­thing that was on my mind last night, I was try­ing to roll it through my head.

Since I’ve read Atlas I’m con­vinced her pri­mary goal is to defend the lives of Jews, come what may. Right now in Europe the nor­mal respectable peo­ple are not will­ing to defend Jews in a Europe that is quickly becom­ing Islam­i­cised. The way to defend the Jews who are in actual phys­i­cal dan­ger is to have allies, but what do you do if your only allies are unacceptable?

Robert Stacy McCain writes a post that I wish I had answer­ing the ques­tion to a pretty solid degree.

Whence these asso­ci­a­tions? I’ve explained it before, but I’ll explain it again: The main­stream “con­ser­v­a­tive” par­ties in Europe have refused to address effec­tively the issues of immi­gra­tion and mul­ti­cul­tur­al­ism. (In Europe, mul­ti­cul­tur­al­ism takes the form of pan­der­ing to their mas­sive num­ber of Islamic immi­grants.) Because main­stream politi­cians have for­feited lead­er­ship on these legit­i­mate con­cerns of their cit­i­zens, the vac­uum has been filled by the likes of Reitz and Worch. Ergo, if there is a con­fer­ence in Europe address­ing the ques­tion of whether Islam­i­ciza­tion is a threat, it won’t be orga­nized entirely by “respectable” types.

Thus, Johnson’s guilt-​by-​association attack on Geller high­lights the real prob­lem we face in Amer­ica: If the Repub­li­can Party and the main­stream con­ser­v­a­tive move­ment don’t rec­og­nize and respond to our own cit­i­zens’ con­cerns about immi­gra­tion and mul­ti­cul­tur­al­ism, then those issues will be taken over by sim­i­larly dis­rep­utable groups.

What should Geller do? Can­cel her trip to Ger­many? I think not. Rather, she use the occa­sion to alert Ger­mans to the con­se­quences of cow­ardice by their lead­ers. Ger­mans, per­haps bet­ter than any other peo­ple, are aware of the heinous results when democ­racy fails in a time of crisis.

If hon­or­able peo­ple will not take up the cause then it will be left to the dis­hon­or­able. A great exam­ple of this is South Africa, because of the cold war, stratigic loca­tion and key resources the west was much more def­er­en­tial to Apartheid then they morally should have been. It is true that the sovi­ets were the greater evil and threat but that didn’t change the moral sit­u­a­tion. The Sovi­ets and their prox­ies took advan­tage of that sit­u­a­tion to sup­port the ANC and use the sup­port of a moral case to but­tress them­selves. Like Prometheus it was the shin­ing fat hid­ing the bones offered to the Gods.

Pam Gel­lar links to the other McCain, her response ends with this line:

And just for the record, nazis do not hang out with Jews, even pretty ones. Ever.

This is actu­ally where I have to dis­agree with both Pam and Robert. I with John agree that these far right par­ties are fill­ing the moral vacumn that the main­stream is ceed­ing to them, how­ever I think that doesn’t make them any less what they are. I DO think think that the mod­ern Nazi will hang out with jews, (par­tic­u­larly pretty ones) if it will gain them power and advan­tage. I think see­ing a big­ger (and legit­i­mate) threat from Islamists they will defend the Jews in Europe and even in Israel in fact I think par­tic­u­larly in Israel since they wouldn’t mind in the end for the Jews to end up there instead of in Europe.

I think they are play­ing the Soviet South Africa game. I think they are exactly what Charles says they are, but I also think that if the Euro­pean Jews want to sur­vive they need allies and there doesn’t seem to be any oth­ers will­ing to stand up over there.

If Pam can per­suade main­line Euro­peans that this is a threat they need to com­bat then it is worth the trip but I think Charles alarm is not only jus­ti­fied but needs to be shouted very loudly. If Pam thinks this has to be done then it should be done with eyes wide open. I think both Pam and Charles are act­ing with honor. I won’t make a lot of friends with that state­ment but that’s what I think.

Don Cor­leone may have kept the widow from los­ing her apart­ment but it didn’t make him any less mafia. He may have avenged the funeral director’s daugh­ter but it didn’t make him unwill­ing to kill.
Michael Cor­leone did what he thought he had to do. It didn’t make him less of a mur­derer. In the three movies he is prefer­able to the other thugs he faces, but he is still a thug.

This is why we have to be very care­ful of the Paul peo­ple here in Amer­ica when it comes to the tea par­ties. In Europe there might not an eth­i­cal good choice to make. We aren’t at that point here which is why we have to act with dis­cre­tion. I think we ignore Charles warn­ing at our peril but I think we fail to act as Pam is at our peril too.

That is why the title of this post is what it it. And I have the same answer as Tevye. “You know you are also right!”

Charles’ post from yesterday bothered me a lot. The evidence he gave was pretty solid concerning associations and considering my own post yesterday on the Paulians and my response to comments it was something that was on my mind last night, I was trying to roll it through my head.

Since I’ve read Atlas I’m convinced her primary goal is to defend the lives of Jews, come what may. Right now in Europe the normal respectable people are not willing to defend Jews in a Europe that is quickly becoming Islamicised. The way to defend the Jews who are in actual physical danger is to have allies, but what do you do if your only allies are unacceptable?

Robert Stacy McCain writes a post that I wish I had answering the question to a pretty solid degree.

Whence these associations? I’ve explained it before, but I’ll explain it again: The mainstream “conservative” parties in Europe have refused to address effectively the issues of immigration and multiculturalism. (In Europe, multiculturalism takes the form of pandering to their massive number of Islamic immigrants.) Because mainstream politicians have forfeited leadership on these legitimate concerns of their citizens, the vacuum has been filled by the likes of Reitz and Worch. Ergo, if there is a conference in Europe addressing the question of whether Islamicization is a threat, it won’t be organized entirely by “respectable” types.

Thus, Johnson’s guilt-by-association attack on Geller highlights the real problem we face in America: If the Republican Party and the mainstream conservative movement don’t recognize and respond to our own citizens’ concerns about immigration and multiculturalism, then those issues will be taken over by similarly disreputable groups.

What should Geller do? Cancel her trip to Germany? I think not. Rather, she use the occasion to alert Germans to the consequences of cowardice by their leaders. Germans, perhaps better than any other people, are aware of the heinous results when democracy fails in a time of crisis.

If honorable people will not take up the cause then it will be left to the dishonorable. A great example of this is South Africa, because of the cold war, stratigic location and key resources the west was much more deferential to Apartheid then they morally should have been. It is true that the soviets were the greater evil and threat but that didn’t change the moral situation. The Soviets and their proxies took advantage of that situation to support the ANC and use the support of a moral case to buttress themselves. Like Prometheus it was the shining fat hiding the bones offered to the Gods.

Pam Gellar links to the other McCain, her response ends with this line:

And just for the record, nazis do not hang out with Jews, even pretty ones. Ever.

This is actually where I have to disagree with both Pam and Robert. I with John agree that these far right parties are filling the moral vacumn that the mainstream is ceeding to them, however I think that doesn’t make them any less what they are. I DO think think that the modern Nazi will hang out with jews, (particularly pretty ones) if it will gain them power and advantage. I think seeing a bigger (and legitimate) threat from Islamists they will defend the Jews in Europe and even in Israel in fact I think particularly in Israel since they wouldn’t mind in the end for the Jews to end up there instead of in Europe.

I think they are playing the Soviet South Africa game. I think they are exactly what Charles says they are, but I also think that if the European Jews want to survive they need allies and there doesn’t seem to be any others willing to stand up over there.

If Pam can persuade mainline Europeans that this is a threat they need to combat then it is worth the trip but I think Charles alarm is not only justified but needs to be shouted very loudly. If Pam thinks this has to be done then it should be done with eyes wide open. I think both Pam and Charles are acting with honor. I won’t make a lot of friends with that statement but that’s what I think.

Don Corleone may have kept the widow from losing her apartment but it didn’t make him any less mafia. He may have avenged the funeral director’s daughter but it didn’t make him unwilling to kill.
Michael Corleone did what he thought he had to do. It didn’t make him less of a murderer. In the three movies he is preferable to the other thugs he faces, but he is still a thug.

This is why we have to be very careful of the Paul people here in America when it comes to the tea parties. In Europe there might not an ethical good choice to make. We aren’t at that point here which is why we have to act with discretion. I think we ignore Charles warning at our peril but I think we fail to act as Pam is at our peril too.

That is why the title of this post is what it it. And I have the same answer as Tevye. “You know you are also right!”

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