Irresistible force vs immovable object: Johnson vs McCain

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Irresistible force vs immovable object: Johnson vs McCain

I’ve been read­ing Charles John­son for 7 or more years, he is what you would call a 911 con­ser­v­a­tive, basi­cally a lib­eral who took 911 seri­ously and dug deep into the swamp of rad­i­cal Islam, his fight against rad­i­cal Islam, his expo­sure of the Rather­gate memo and of faux pho­tog­ra­phy, and his unwa­ver­ing defense of Israel against all com­ers have been gifts to the coun­try and the world. His sup­port for the troops is unyield­ing and nobody searches the web like he does.

Robert Stacy McCain is a pro­fes­sional reporter who unlike many reporters of today, actu­ally reports. He has not been shy about speak­ing up for con­ser­v­a­tive causes. Like John­son he is a sup­porter of Israel and the troops and a hater of Rad­i­cal Islam and takes 911 as seri­ously today as if it was 9÷12÷2001. And when it comes to the causes con­ser­v­a­tives believe in He Fights!

Yes­ter­day in a com­ment on a thread of the tea party in Wash­ing­ton Charles Said this:

Vod­ka­Pun­dit is link­ing to white suprema­cist blog­ger Robert Stacy McCain at Paja­mas Media.

Vodka Pun­dit responded in a post here stat­ing:

Now, I’ve worked with Stacy in per­son a cou­ple of times, at the DNC last sum­mer and at CPAC in Feb­ru­ary. Both were crowded, high-​stress sit­u­a­tions. At no time did I see Stacy treat any­one — of any color, creed, whathaveyou — with any­thing less than respect and good humor.

So, is Robert Stacy McCain a white suprema­cist? Hell if I know. But he enjoys break­ing bread with agnos­tic half Jews like me, which would cer­tainly make him a dif­fer­ent kind of white supremacist.

And seri­ous action took place in the com­ments. Charles being Charles shot back again with links from the SPLC to back him up:

Check out any of these groups on the web, Stephen, and see if I’m exaggerating.

Robert Stacy McCain being Robert Stacy McCain didn’t inter­rupt his eat­ing and drink­ing, but late that night replied with first a com­ment on the Vodka thread, than an update on his main tea party blog entry con­cern­ing the commentators:

Why engage with peo­ple who think that way, except to point out that they think that way? Why should I be com­pelled to defend myself against such “ran­som note” smears? And who is “MPH,” except an anony­mous a-​hole try­ing to recy­cle old left-​wing attacks on me?

And finally directly to Charles in a three part tour de force this morn­ing.

We are in a fight to pre­serve what remains of Amer­i­can lib­erty, and I don’t want to waste time defend­ing myself. How­ever, if I may be for­given for para­phras­ing a Yan­kee, I’m will­ing to fight it out on this line if it takes all week. Or I might quote Nathan Bed­ford Forrest’s famous words to Brax­ton Bragg

I’ll leave you to read the quote, any per­son who knows the his­tory of the Civil war would be famil­iar with it. As a per­son who once took excep­tion to some­thing Charles implied and received sat­is­fac­tion I can cer­tainly under­stand Mr. McCain’s anger and in the same posi­tion would have reacted the same.

He will find that John­son unlike Bragg is almost cer­tain to keep up the fight. Foote describes Bragg’s deci­sion to not press the mat­ter as a com­bi­na­tion of retain­ing Forest’s ser­vices to the army (which were con­sid­er­able) and his belief that as an “irreg­u­lar” he was “less sub­ject to dis­ci­pline for irreg­u­lar­i­ties” (P 813 Civil War a Nar­ra­tive v2, great book buy the whole series BTW). This means we can expect a week of back and forth, John­son using the net and McCain using his resources as a reporter.

I don’t know either of these men per­son­ally but I’ve linked to McCain he is on my blogroll and I’m damn well not tak­ing him off. I’m a reg­is­tered com­men­ta­tor on LGF have been for years and I’m damn well not leav­ing that site either. My opin­ion can be summed up by these two clips this clip:

Update 2: I’ve removed the 2nd embed since it skipped the meat of the scene that I was look­ing for.

I have no idea how it will end but nei­ther man is going to go any­where quietly.

Update: Dan Riehl knows Robert Stacy per­son­ally and after this post I can see he is the type of friend I would want in my cor­ner:

For bet­ter or worse .. worse, at times!! heh! Stacy McCain is my friend. He doesn’t deserve to be accused as he has been by John­son. And he cer­tainly deserves strong sup­port from me and any other of his alleged friends, or col­leagues that want to make any claim to actu­ally know­ing the man a bit. It’s John­son that is now obvi­ously unwor­thy of any more of my time. And, lastly, I do find that, as I also find Charles these days, to be some­what sad.

So Instead of the scenes above that I would pre­fer to see, we will see the scene below:

Update 3: Legal Insur­rec­tion com­ments:

With good rea­son, being tagged a racist is about as dam­ag­ing a tag as exists because the dam­age is caused once the accu­sa­tion is made.

And that is the point. If you want to ruin someone’s rep­u­ta­tion, just keep post­ing the words “racist” in close prox­im­ity to their name on the inter­net so that web search engines asso­ciate the per­son and the accu­sa­tion. That is what some peo­ple tried to do to Glenn Beck recently by mak­ing accu­sa­tions of past crim­i­nal con­duct in the form of a ques­tion for the very pur­pose of influ­enc­ing Google and other search engines.

The false accu­sa­tion of racism is a despi­ca­ble tac­tic. It dam­ages the per­son against whom it is made and the vic­tims of true racism.

And that is why I felt it nec­es­sary to speak up this time.

This is not going to be a quiet week.

Update 4: Saber­point knows Robert Stacy and has his back too as does Dan Collins.

But the great­est defense comes from Cyn­thia Yockey and deserves quot­ing:

Beyond those few com­mon prin­ci­ples, I find enor­mous diver­sity of belief and opin­ion in the Right, as well as a diver­sity of sex­ual ori­en­ta­tion, reli­gion, eth­nic­ity, race and what have you. Plus, I find women in posi­tions of power and author­ity. Peo­ple on the Right are able to have oppo­site and mutu­ally exclu­sive opin­ions on var­i­ous mat­ters. Put together, that is real diversity.

So, yes, Stacy and I are at dag­gers drawn over homo­sex­ual equal­ity, espe­cially gay mar­riage equal­ity. But he states his rea­sons — and his feel­ings. I state mine. And we remain staunch and loyal friends.

In addi­tion, Stacy is NOT a racist — there’s just no way.

As I’ve said I don’t know Robert Stacy McCain per­son­ally, but after hear­ing his friends come to his defense, I sure would like to.

I’ve been reading Charles Johnson for 7 or more years, he is what you would call a 9/11 conservative, basically a liberal who took 9/11 seriously and dug deep into the swamp of radical Islam, his fight against radical Islam, his exposure of the Rathergate memo and of faux photography, and his unwavering defense of Israel against all comers have been gifts to the country and the world. His support for the troops is unyielding and nobody searches the web like he does.

Robert Stacy McCain is a professional reporter who unlike many reporters of today, actually reports. He has not been shy about speaking up for conservative causes. Like Johnson he is a supporter of Israel and the troops and a hater of Radical Islam and takes 9/11 as seriously today as if it was 9/12/2001. And when it comes to the causes conservatives believe in He Fights!

Yesterday in a comment on a thread of the tea party in Washington Charles Said this:

VodkaPundit is linking to white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain at Pajamas Media.

Vodka Pundit responded in a post here stating:

Now, I’ve worked with Stacy in person a couple of times, at the DNC last summer and at CPAC in February. Both were crowded, high-stress situations. At no time did I see Stacy treat anyone — of any color, creed, whathaveyou — with anything less than respect and good humor.

So, is Robert Stacy McCain a white supremacist? Hell if I know. But he enjoys breaking bread with agnostic half Jews like me, which would certainly make him a different kind of white supremacist.

And serious action took place in the comments. Charles being Charles shot back again with links from the SPLC to back him up:

Check out any of these groups on the web, Stephen, and see if I’m exaggerating.

Robert Stacy McCain being Robert Stacy McCain didn’t interrupt his eating and drinking, but late that night replied with first a comment on the Vodka thread, than an update on his main tea party blog entry concerning the commentators:

Why engage with people who think that way, except to point out that they think that way? Why should I be compelled to defend myself against such “ransom note” smears? And who is “MPH,” except an anonymous a-hole trying to recycle old left-wing attacks on me?

And finally directly to Charles in a three part tour de force this morning.

We are in a fight to preserve what remains of American liberty, and I don’t want to waste time defending myself. However, if I may be forgiven for paraphrasing a Yankee, I’m willing to fight it out on this line if it takes all week. Or I might quote Nathan Bedford Forrest’s famous words to Braxton Bragg

I’ll leave you to read the quote, any person who knows the history of the Civil war would be familiar with it. As a person who once took exception to something Charles implied and received satisfaction I can certainly understand Mr. McCain’s anger and in the same position would have reacted the same.

He will find that Johnson unlike Bragg is almost certain to keep up the fight. Foote describes Bragg’s decision to not press the matter as a combination of retaining Forest’s services to the army (which were considerable) and his belief that as an “irregular” he was “less subject to discipline for irregularities” (P 813 Civil War a Narrative v2, great book buy the whole series BTW). This means we can expect a week of back and forth, Johnson using the net and McCain using his resources as a reporter.

I don’t know either of these men personally but I’ve linked to McCain he is on my blogroll and I’m damn well not taking him off. I’m a registered commentator on LGF have been for years and I’m damn well not leaving that site either. My opinion can be summed up by these two clips this clip:

Update 2: I’ve removed the 2nd embed since it skipped the meat of the scene that I was looking for.

I have no idea how it will end but neither man is going to go anywhere quietly.

Update: Dan Riehl knows Robert Stacy personally and after this post I can see he is the type of friend I would want in my corner:

For better or worse .. worse, at times!! heh! Stacy McCain is my friend. He doesn’t deserve to be accused as he has been by Johnson. And he certainly deserves strong support from me and any other of his alleged friends, or colleagues that want to make any claim to actually knowing the man a bit. It’s Johnson that is now obviously unworthy of any more of my time. And, lastly, I do find that, as I also find Charles these days, to be somewhat sad.

So Instead of the scenes above that I would prefer to see, we will see the scene below:

Update 3: Legal Insurrection comments:

With good reason, being tagged a racist is about as damaging a tag as exists because the damage is caused once the accusation is made.

And that is the point. If you want to ruin someone’s reputation, just keep posting the words “racist” in close proximity to their name on the internet so that web search engines associate the person and the accusation. That is what some people tried to do to Glenn Beck recently by making accusations of past criminal conduct in the form of a question for the very purpose of influencing Google and other search engines.

The false accusation of racism is a despicable tactic. It damages the person against whom it is made and the victims of true racism.

And that is why I felt it necessary to speak up this time.

This is not going to be a quiet week.

Update 4: Saberpoint knows Robert Stacy and has his back too as does Dan Collins.

But the greatest defense comes from Cynthia Yockey and deserves quoting:

Beyond those few common principles, I find enormous diversity of belief and opinion in the Right, as well as a diversity of sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, race and what have you. Plus, I find women in positions of power and authority. People on the Right are able to have opposite and mutually exclusive opinions on various matters. Put together, that is real diversity.

So, yes, Stacy and I are at daggers drawn over homosexual equality, especially gay marriage equality. But he states his reasons — and his feelings. I state mine. And we remain staunch and loyal friends.

In addition, Stacy is NOT a racist — there’s just no way.

As I’ve said I don’t know Robert Stacy McCain personally, but after hearing his friends come to his defense, I sure would like to.