I’m sure this terror attack in Oslo Norway has nothing to do with Islam: UPDATE: Link to BBC Feed added; Updated: Looks like I’ve Bill Sparkmaned myself

by Datechguy | July 22nd, 2011

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I'm sure this terror attack in Oslo Norway has nothing to do with Islam: UPDATE: Link to BBC Feed added; Updated: Looks like I've Bill Sparkmaned myself

Update on top:

Spent most of the day with an elderly friend and came home to find out two things.

1. 80 kids were shot in Nor­way 80, that’s about as bad as it gets.

2. For once it wasn’t an Islamic ter­ror­ist, in fact it looks very much like an Ultra Nationalist.

Looks like I com­mit­ted the Bill Spark­man error in reverse, It was of course a log­i­cal con­clu­sion to believe Rad­i­cal Islam had com­mit­ted this attack as they are involved in the vast major­ity of such attacks world­wide, but vast major­ity by its very def­i­n­i­tion means that there is a small minor­ity where they are not involved.

It’s an impor­tant les­son, as we might well remem­ber, our Ger­man friends and those who col­lab­o­rated with them in the 30’s and 40th didn’t need a belief in rad­i­cal Islam to slaugh­ter millions.

Now am I sorry for get­ting it wrong? Yup, as I said, I jumped the gun and I should have known bet­ter. Am I sorry for sus­pect­ing rad­i­cal Islam, nope, Rad­i­cal Islam has a long track record in these mat­ters. Con­sider this quote it speaks vol­umes: empha­sis mine

Then the police announced that they had arrested a 32-​year-​old sus­pect who, they empha­sized with what seemed like relief or even joy, was a tall, blond eth­nic Nor­we­gian (one police spokesman even called him an “eth­nic Nor­we­gian Nor­we­gian,” a turn of phrase that Nor­we­gians would describe as “smør på flesk” – i.e., putting but­ter on bacon, or, as we’d say in Eng­lish, gild­ing the lily). They insisted that the sus­pect (although they described him not as a sus­pect but as a “per­pe­tra­tor”) had no con­nec­tion to a ter­ror­ist group, though when asked about other con­nec­tions he might have, they seemed to dodge the question.

Now tell me why did the police empha­size with relief and joy that the sus­pect was not Islamic? Does it make the hor­ri­ble mur­der of 80 chil­dren more palat­able? Does it make the destruc­tion in Oslo any less severe or horrible?

No what it does is it allow them to kick the can down the road on an actual prob­lem that they are still going to have to deal with and would rather not.

If it turns out that this guy is specif­i­cally Anti-​Islamist as well and tar­geted his polit­i­cal foes because they were weak on the sub­ject then he is evil AND stu­pid. Like Scott Roeder (the mur­derer of abor­tion­ist George Tiller) he not only for­gets that an evil act does not jus­tify another evil act but by his actions he gives sup­port and cover to the very evil he opposes.

I’m putting this above the post because since I was wrong I want to lead with the cor­rect info and I’ll leave the stuff I already wrote below the fold. It’s impor­tant not to throw mis­takes down the mem­ory hole as it is unseemly, but it will be a good reminder to me to look before I leap.

Once again sorry to get it wrong. That’s my bad. (I will be putting this up as it’s own post later to empha­size it.

after all just because it fits the pat­tern of every other Islamic attack we’ve seen lately, and just because an Islamic cleric was charged with mak­ing death threats against Nor­we­gian politi­cians that doesn’t mean that this has any­thing to do with Islam.

Mean­while Gates of Vienna has by an odd coin­ci­dence been deal­ing a bit with Islam in Nor­way lately. Here is a bit from a speech by Chris­t­ian Tybring-​Gjedde, a mem­ber of Norway’s par­lia­ment

The mod­ern West­ern civil­i­sa­tion based on:

sci­ence, sec­u­lar­ity, democ­racy, equal worth, equal­ity, plu­ral­ism and freedom

is grad­u­ally giv­ing way to forces rep­re­sent­ing the opposite.

The changes are applauded by the cul­tural rel­a­tivists of the polit­i­cal elite,

and acad­e­mia and jour­nal­ists, recruited from a one-​sided rad­i­cal environment.

watch the whole thing and note he was He was later brought up on a “racism charge” for it. Per­haps for bring­ing up stuff like this.

But that’s no rea­son to think that is an issue. We enlight­ened ones know it is likely the Flem­ish menace

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and if you don’t agree, you’re a racist!

Update: Lets see what some peo­ple are saying:

Michelle Malkin puts a ques­tion mark next to ter­ror attack but still gets attacked:

You’ll love the reac­tion I got on Twit­ter from the experts at The Johns Hop­kins Uni­ver­sity Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced Inter­na­tional Stud­ies (SAIS) when I pointed out the story about Mul­lah Krekar.

that’s the story I men­tioned above.

Gate­way Pun­dit has pho­tos and makes this suggestion:

The blasts may have to do with the Muham­mad cartoons.

I dis­agree, I’d say it more of the stuff we see actu­ally in Norway.

Weasel Zip­pers spots an inter­est­ing twist:

Update at 10:14 a.m. ET: Although the source of the blast is unclear, Al-​Jazeera TV notes that Nor­we­gian pros­e­cu­tors on Tues­day filed a ter­ror­ism charge against Mul­lah Krekar, founder of the Kur­dish Islamist group Ansar al-​Islam.

Wait­ing for John Hop­kins to con­demn Al-​Jazeera as jump­ing to conclusions.

TPM has lit­tle to say in terms of spec­u­la­tion but finds a pur­ported eye­wit­ness on twitter

Strangely Think Progress, known for jump­ing to con­clu­sions to blame the right is play­ing this totally straight but there is a clas­sic exchange in comments:

Because we know the IRA has been very active lately, par­tic­u­larly in Nor­way and the IRA was all about rad­i­cal priests urg­ing them to kill in the name of Catholicism.

Hotair has cov­er­age from Aften­posten:

What­ever it was, it was big. NRK picks up on the Aften­posten report to say that there may be more bombs in the building

Update 2: The Atlantic was talk­ing Nor­way as a tar­get before:

It’s nat­ural to won­der whether al-​Qaeda, the world’s most famous ter­ror­ist orga­ni­za­tion, might have been involved. But why would the group tar­get Nor­we­gian gov­ern­ment infra­struc­ture? Last year, after sev­eral immi­grants to Nor­way were arrested plot­ting ter­ror­ist attacks on behalf of al-​Qaeda, Thomas Heg­gham­mer and Dominic Tier­ney wrote “Why Does Al-​Qaeda Have a Prob­lem With Nor­way?” for The​At​lantic​.com. Here are some snippets:

No word on if they have an arti­cle about what the Flem­ish Men­ace or the IRA has against Nor­way too.

Mean­while Stacy McCain is now on the case and via Ace elim­i­nates a gas explosion:

Early reports on these kinds of events are always con­fus­ing. We await more details to clar­ify the story. But this is almost cer­tainly the result of ter­ror­ism because — as Drew notes at AOSHQ — Oslo doesn’t have a nat­ural gas sys­tem, which would be the only other obvi­ous expla­na­tion for such an explosion.

Update 3: The BBC has a live feed here.

Update 4: NYT

A ter­ror group, Ansar al-​Jihad al-​Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a state­ment claim­ing respon­si­bil­ity for the attack, accord­ing to Will McCants, a ter­ror­ism ana­lyst at C.N.A., a research insti­tute that stud­ies ter­ror­ism. The mes­sage said the attack was a response to Nor­we­gian forces’ pres­ence in Afghanistan and to unspec­i­fied insults to the Prophet Muham­mad. “We have warned since the Stock­holm raid of more oper­a­tions,” the group said, accord­ing to Mr. McCants’ trans­la­tion, appar­ently refer­ring to a bomb­ing in Swe­den in Decem­ber 2010. “What you see is only the begin­ning, and there is more to come.”

But the Times, good lib­er­als that they are, aren’t going to be fooled that easily:

It is not uncom­mon for ter­ror­ist groups to advance claims of respon­si­bil­ity for high-​profile attacks, only to have the claims prove to be spurious.

If the claim can’t be con­firmed and if such claims are spu­ri­ous, why report it?

Update on top:

Spent most of the day with an elderly friend and came home to find out two things.

1. 80 kids were shot in Norway 80, that’s about as bad as it gets.

2. For once it wasn’t an Islamic terrorist, in fact it looks very much like an Ultra Nationalist.

Looks like I committed the Bill Sparkman error in reverse, It was of course a logical conclusion to believe Radical Islam had committed this attack as they are involved in the vast majority of such attacks worldwide, but vast majority by its very definition means that there is a small minority where they are not involved.

It’s an important lesson, as we might well remember, our German friends and those who collaborated with them in the 30’s and 40th didn’t need a belief in radical Islam to slaughter millions.

Now am I sorry for getting it wrong? Yup, as I said, I jumped the gun and I should have known better. Am I sorry for suspecting radical Islam, nope, Radical Islam has a long track record in these matters. Consider this quote it speaks volumes: emphasis mine

Then the police announced that they had arrested a 32-year-old suspect who, they emphasized with what seemed like relief or even joy, was a tall, blond ethnic Norwegian (one police spokesman even called him an “ethnic Norwegian Norwegian,” a turn of phrase that Norwegians would describe as “smør på flesk” – i.e., putting butter on bacon, or, as we’d say in English, gilding the lily). They insisted that the suspect (although they described him not as a suspect but as a “perpetrator”) had no connection to a terrorist group, though when asked about other connections he might have, they seemed to dodge the question.

Now tell me why did the police emphasize with relief and joy that the suspect was not Islamic? Does it make the horrible murder of 80 children more palatable? Does it make the destruction in Oslo any less severe or horrible?

No what it does is it allow them to kick the can down the road on an actual problem that they are still going to have to deal with and would rather not.

If it turns out that this guy is specifically Anti-Islamist as well and targeted his political foes because they were weak on the subject then he is evil AND stupid. Like Scott Roeder (the murderer of abortionist George Tiller) he not only forgets that an evil act does not justify another evil act but by his actions he gives support and cover to the very evil he opposes.

I’m putting this above the post because since I was wrong I want to lead with the correct info and I’ll leave the stuff I already wrote below the fold. It’s important not to throw mistakes down the memory hole as it is unseemly, but it will be a good reminder to me to look before I leap.

Once again sorry to get it wrong. That’s my bad. (I will be putting this up as it’s own post later to emphasize it.

after all just because it fits the pattern of every other Islamic attack we’ve seen lately, and just because an Islamic cleric was charged with making death threats against Norwegian politicians that doesn’t mean that this has anything to do with Islam.

Meanwhile Gates of Vienna has by an odd coincidence been dealing a bit with Islam in Norway lately. Here is a bit from a speech by Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a member of Norway’s parliament

The modern Western civilisation based on:

science, secularity, democracy, equal worth, equality, pluralism and freedom

is gradually giving way to forces representing the opposite.

The changes are applauded by the cultural relativists of the political elite,

and academia and journalists, recruited from a one-sided radical environment.

watch the whole thing and note he was He was later brought up on a “racism charge” for it. Perhaps for bringing up stuff like this.

But that’s no reason to think that is an issue. We enlightened ones know it is likely the Flemish menace

We all know who the real terrorists are!

and if you don’t agree, you’re a racist!

Update: Lets see what some people are saying:

Michelle Malkin puts a question mark next to terror attack but still gets attacked:

You’ll love the reaction I got on Twitter from the experts at The Johns Hopkins University Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) when I pointed out the story about Mullah Krekar.

that’s the story I mentioned above.

Gateway Pundit has photos and makes this suggestion:

The blasts may have to do with the Muhammad cartoons.

I disagree, I’d say it more of the stuff we see actually in Norway.

Weasel Zippers spots an interesting twist:

Update at 10:14 a.m. ET: Although the source of the blast is unclear, Al-Jazeera TV notes that Norwegian prosecutors on Tuesday filed a terrorism charge against Mullah Krekar, founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam.

Waiting for John Hopkins to condemn Al-Jazeera as jumping to conclusions.

TPM has little to say in terms of speculation but finds a purported eyewitness on twitter

Strangely Think Progress, known for jumping to conclusions to blame the right is playing this totally straight but there is a classic exchange in comments:

Because we know the IRA has been very active lately, particularly in Norway and the IRA was all about radical priests urging them to kill in the name of Catholicism.

Hotair has coverage from Aftenposten:

Whatever it was, it was big. NRK picks up on the Aftenposten report to say that there may be more bombs in the building

Update 2: The Atlantic was talking Norway as a target before:

It’s natural to wonder whether al-Qaeda, the world’s most famous terrorist organization, might have been involved. But why would the group target Norwegian government infrastructure? Last year, after several immigrants to Norway were arrested plotting terrorist attacks on behalf of al-Qaeda, Thomas Hegghammer and Dominic Tierney wrote “Why Does Al-Qaeda Have a Problem With Norway?” for TheAtlantic.com. Here are some snippets:

No word on if they have an article about what the Flemish Menace or the IRA has against Norway too.

Meanwhile Stacy McCain is now on the case and via Ace eliminates a gas explosion:

Early reports on these kinds of events are always confusing. We await more details to clarify the story. But this is almost certainly the result of terrorism because — as Drew notes at AOSHQ — Oslo doesn’t have a natural gas system, which would be the only other obvious explanation for such an explosion.

Update 3: The BBC has a live feed here.

Update 4: NYT

A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.”

But the Times, good liberals that they are, aren’t going to be fooled that easily:

It is not uncommon for terrorist groups to advance claims of responsibility for high-profile attacks, only to have the claims prove to be spurious.

If the claim can’t be confirmed and if such claims are spurious, why report it?

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