ReadabilityHerman Cain wins very close debate
I’m going to score this on a 10 pt must system
WINNER Herman Cain 10.0: Answered questions directly and drew complements from other candidates, pushed his plan that is simple enough to understand. Needed to be noticed and was.
Rick Santorum 9.9: Strong answers and strong punches landed on Paul and Perry, had one so so answer that kept him behind Cain, spent a lot of time in a mutual admiration society with Gingrich.
Michelle Bachmann/Newt Gingrich 9,8: Both did what they had to do, Bachmann started slow but was strong and not shy about throwing punches, The contribution angle is going to smart because of the Palin follow-up. Great Obamacare answer too. Gingrich excelled again and simply needed to stay relevant, If I had to give an edge to one it would be Bachmann because she had more to lose.
Mitt Romney 9.7 : Fairly solid performance, the experience of running before really helps. He had one or two weak answers but outpointed Perry which is all that matters. Because he is comfortably ahead of the people who did better than he did it’s not a problem, at least not yet.
Rick Perry 9.6: Hesitated a bit at first but settled down but was a constant target and was hit solidly and it showed. It was not enough that it will cost him the lead but he was clearly off-balance. How he comes back in the next debate will really determine how he can take a punch.
Ron Paul 9.2 I can’t understand how he didn’t go back to that Fed question that he wasn’t asked that was a mistake, other than that he was himself. He handled the medical question very well, but the Bin Laden question really hurt him for the general public but Paul is not about to be something he is not. He likely cost himself consideration among the general public, but Paul will not pander and answered honestly. I can’t see what else he could have done.
Jon Huntsman 9.1: It takes a lot of effort to do a worse job than someone who is unwilling to absolve American from blame on 9⁄11 but Huntsman managed to do it. His “Treason” comment on Perry sounded contrived, although he referenced his plan he did a poor job of making it clear. His driver license answer while hitting Perry didn’t work and his Afghanistan answer was horrid. But the media loves him so he’ll be back.
Tea party 9.8 Most questions were solid and I liked starting with the national anthem, no horns on anyone’s head and people who watched the debate and the tea party members didn’t see a bunch of racists unless they were already in Andre Carson land.
CNN 9.6 Started slow and I thought he could steer the questions slightly better but Wolf wasn’t bad. Best debate to date.
Bottom line: The difference between the top 6 was close enough that it won’t move much, Bachmann did enough to keep her in it, and we need to see if Perry can keep taking hits, Romney is helped by the minor candidates all doing well.
Update: Stacy Points to a key moment:
It fell to former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, a favorite of many social conservatives, to point out the difference between Gardasil and other vaccinations. “Ladies and gentlemen, why do we inoculate people with vaccines in public schools? Because we’re afraid of those diseases being communicable between people at school. And therefore to protect the rest of the people at school, we have vaccinations to protect those children. Unless Texas has a very progressive way of communicating diseases in their schools… then there is no government purpose served for having little girls inoculated at the coercion of the government. It is big government run amok. It is bad policy and it should not be done.”
This is a real problem for Perry, in the primaries and every debate he is going to be hit again and again on this.
I’m going to score this on a 10 pt must system
WINNER Herman Cain 10.0: Answered questions directly and drew complements from other candidates, pushed his plan that is simple enough to understand. Needed to be noticed and was.
Rick Santorum 9.9: Strong answers and strong punches landed on Paul and Perry, had one so so answer that kept him behind Cain, spent a lot of time in a mutual admiration society with Gingrich.
Michelle Bachmann/Newt Gingrich 9,8: Both did what they had to do, Bachmann started slow but was strong and not shy about throwing punches, The contribution angle is going to smart because of the Palin follow-up. Great Obamacare answer too. Gingrich excelled again and simply needed to stay relevant, If I had to give an edge to one it would be Bachmann because she had more to lose.
Mitt Romney 9.7 : Fairly solid performance, the experience of running before really helps. He had one or two weak answers but outpointed Perry which is all that matters. Because he is comfortably ahead of the people who did better than he did it’s not a problem, at least not yet.
Rick Perry 9.6: Hesitated a bit at first but settled down but was a constant target and was hit solidly and it showed. It was not enough that it will cost him the lead but he was clearly off-balance. How he comes back in the next debate will really determine how he can take a punch.
Ron Paul 9.2 I can’t understand how he didn’t go back to that Fed question that he wasn’t asked that was a mistake, other than that he was himself. He handled the medical question very well, but the Bin Laden question really hurt him for the general public but Paul is not about to be something he is not. He likely cost himself consideration among the general public, but Paul will not pander and answered honestly. I can’t see what else he could have done.
Jon Huntsman 9.1: It takes a lot of effort to do a worse job than someone who is unwilling to absolve American from blame on 9/11 but Huntsman managed to do it. His “Treason” comment on Perry sounded contrived, although he referenced his plan he did a poor job of making it clear. His driver license answer while hitting Perry didn’t work and his Afghanistan answer was horrid. But the media loves him so he’ll be back.
Tea party 9.8 Most questions were solid and I liked starting with the national anthem, no horns on anyone’s head and people who watched the debate and the tea party members didn’t see a bunch of racists unless they were already in Andre Carson land.
CNN 9.6 Started slow and I thought he could steer the questions slightly better but Wolf wasn’t bad. Best debate to date.
Bottom line: The difference between the top 6 was close enough that it won’t move much, Bachmann did enough to keep her in it, and we need to see if Perry can keep taking hits, Romney is helped by the minor candidates all doing well.
Update: Stacy Points to a key moment:
It fell to former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, a favorite of many social conservatives, to point out the difference between Gardasil and other vaccinations. “Ladies and gentlemen, why do we inoculate people with vaccines in public schools? Because we’re afraid of those diseases being communicable between people at school. And therefore to protect the rest of the people at school, we have vaccinations to protect those children. Unless Texas has a very progressive way of communicating diseases in their schools… then there is no government purpose served for having little girls inoculated at the coercion of the government. It is big government run amok. It is bad policy and it should not be done.”
This is a real problem for Perry, in the primaries and every debate he is going to be hit again and again on this.
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I thought that Bachmann was way over the top with the vaccine. Although I agree that Perry erred, and the default should have been “opt-IN” rather than “opt-OUT” – Bachmann (and some others) seem to forget that there was an “opt-out.” No “little girls” were forced to get this vaccine.
I like Cain a lot, too – but I think he simply is not going to win the nomination. Of those remaining, Perry I think has the best combination of being a good president and beating Obama.
That last factor is my bottom line. No matter how good someone is – if they can’t beat Obama, then they don’t interest me!
I think the fact he had an aide who lobbied for the company is really big
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I learned tonight how Rick Santorum got elected to the U.S. Senate twice in Democratic Pennsylvania. He’s Catholic before he’s Republican, and he’s sincere not the phony photo opportunist he sometimes came across as being back when he was in the Senate.
But I don’t see the appeal to Republicans who are not Catholic. He gains some respect from the debate but probably not a lot of new support for his candidacy.
Ron Paul came across as he always does as the ultimate Calvinist. He didn’t win the debate, but he does beat Huntsman big time for the alternate vision. Paul will gain not lose support from his debate performance.
Herman Cain won the last debate in my opinion as well as this one. And as I wrote on Facebook then ‘its too bad he doesn’t poll for sh*t.’
I’d consider voting for him or for Ron Paul but neither of them will be on the ballot in 2012.
Having eight people in the debates is annoying, there definately needs to be a new format. I suggest this.
Have all 8 candidates compete for seats in the next debate. If shows like the Apprenttice, Idol, or Project Runway can have challenges and be done in 60 minutes why not a debate?
So each debate deal with one topic and have each candidate give a quick speech to propose their plan/bill/solution. Then after that debate other issues.
Then let the people vote. The top vote getter is automatically in the next debate. The bottom two candidates square off iron chef style mystery topic at the beginning of the next debate and the crowd and judges (republican commentators from tea party, fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc) eliminates one of the two.
After a few months, you have your 2 candidates for the state primaries and have the grand finale at the convention.