Defective Masts, HMS Guerriere, Morning Joe and conventional wisdom

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Defective Masts, HMS Guerriere, Morning Joe and conventional wisdom

In the age of fight­ing sail it was not uncom­mon for cap­tains of rival navies to know or befriend each other as Cap­tain Issac Hull of the USS Con­sti­tu­tion and Cap­tain James Dacres of the HMS Guer­riere did.

Before the war of 1812 Hull had Dacres on the Con­sti­tu­tion as a guest. Dacres, who had; served in the Royal Navy since he was 8 years old, came from naval fam­ily and would even­tu­ally retire an Admi­ral had lit­tle respect for the Amer­i­can Ship and its odd design. He con­sid­ered it no match for his own Guer­riere based on his years of experience.

Strangely enough his atti­tude didn’t change after August 19th 1812 when Hull and Con­sti­tu­tion bat­tered his ship so badly that it had to be blown up. At his court mar­shal (required when a ship was defeated) the court acquit­ted him not­ing that his ship was French built and that the loss of Guerriere’s masts..

was occa­sioned more by their defec­tive state than the fire of the enemy.

I thought of this today when I saw this clip from Morn­ing Joe con­cern­ing the Florida Straw poll:

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Joe Scar­bor­ough: Well lets look at the num­ber really quick and a cou­ple of things to bring out of here. One is that Her­man Cain will never be elected or nom­i­nated or win a pri­mary but it was a very big win for him…

Con­sid­er­ing his total was higher than Perry & Rom­ney com­bined I’d say that was a big win. After dis­count­ing said “big win” Joe says the fol­low­ing about 4th place fin­isher Rick Santorum:

…but if you look at Rick San­to­rum at 10.9% I think you’re see­ing a guy who is hav­ing more of a pres­ence of late and a guy who is creep­ing into the top-​tier of Iowa.

Now I like Rick San­to­rum but after Florida Cain also fin­ished 3rd in Michi­gan. San­to­rum was near the bottom.

Robert Stacy McCain notes that a lot of the polit­i­cal class seems to be unable to process events in front of them. He has a much longer mem­ory than the folks on the panel

Seems like for­ever ago, doesn’t it? T-​Paw was “the only can­di­date … with any real chance,” and Ben Smith didn’t even bother to name the other can­di­dates in the Greeneville, S.C., debate. But the other four are all still run­ning, while Tim Paw­lenty quit the race six weeks ago.

One of those can­di­dates with no “real chance” was Her­man Cain, who stomped Paw­lenty like Godzilla stomped Tokyo that May night in South Car­olina. And it was Cain’s vic­tory that was the first hint that maybe T-​Paw didn’t have “any real chance” after all.

Nobody at that time expected that Paw­lenty was on his way to pres­i­den­tial oblivion

Cer­tainly not the Morn­ing Joe cast who had T-​Paw as a reg­u­lar guest and only today acknowl­edged that Jon Hunts­man is going nowhere.

It would take many more embar­rass­ing defeats for the real­ity of the sit­u­a­tion to cause the Royal Navy to for­bid their frigate cap­tains to take on their Amer­i­can coun­ter­parts one on one. It remains to be seen how many times Her­man Cain has to con­found expec­ta­tions for the MSM to take him seriously.

Exit ques­tion: Rather than sim­ply assert­ing that Her­man Cain can not win the nom­i­na­tion or a sin­gle pri­mary, is it too much to ask the keep­ers of con­ven­tional wis­dom to explain why not?

In the age of fighting sail it was not uncommon for captains of rival navies to know or befriend each other as Captain Issac Hull of the USS Constitution and Captain James Dacres of the HMS Guerriere did.

Before the war of 1812 Hull had Dacres on the Constitution as a guest. Dacres, who had; served in the Royal Navy since he was 8 years old, came from naval family and would eventually retire an Admiral had little respect for the American Ship and its odd design. He considered it no match for his own Guerriere based on his years of experience.

Strangely enough his attitude didn’t change after August 19th 1812 when Hull and Constitution battered his ship so badly that it had to be blown up. At his court marshal (required when a ship was defeated) the court acquitted him noting that his ship was French built and that the loss of Guerriere’s masts..

was occasioned more by their defective state than the fire of the enemy.

I thought of this today when I saw this clip from Morning Joe concerning the Florida Straw poll:

Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

Joe Scarborough: Well lets look at the number really quick and a couple of things to bring out of here. One is that Herman Cain will never be elected or nominated or win a primary but it was a very big win for him…

Considering his total was higher than Perry & Romney combined I’d say that was a big win. After discounting said “big win” Joe says the following about 4th place finisher Rick Santorum:

…but if you look at Rick Santorum at 10.9% I think you’re seeing a guy who is having more of a presence of late and a guy who is creeping into the top-tier of Iowa.

Now I like Rick Santorum but after Florida Cain also finished 3rd in Michigan. Santorum was near the bottom.

Robert Stacy McCain notes that a lot of the political class seems to be unable to process events in front of them. He has a much longer memory than the folks on the panel

Seems like forever ago, doesn’t it? T-Paw was “the only candidate . . . with any real chance,” and Ben Smith didn’t even bother to name the other candidates in the Greeneville, S.C., debate. But the other four are all still running, while Tim Pawlenty quit the race six weeks ago.

One of those candidates with no “real chance” was Herman Cain, who stomped Pawlenty like Godzilla stomped Tokyo that May night in South Carolina. And it was Cain’s victory that was the first hint that maybe T-Paw didn’t have “any real chance” after all.

Nobody at that time expected that Pawlenty was on his way to presidential oblivion

Certainly not the Morning Joe cast who had T-Paw as a regular guest and only today acknowledged that Jon Huntsman is going nowhere.

It would take many more embarrassing defeats for the reality of the situation to cause the Royal Navy to forbid their frigate captains to take on their American counterparts one on one. It remains to be seen how many times Herman Cain has to confound expectations for the MSM to take him seriously.

Exit question: Rather than simply asserting that Herman Cain can not win the nomination or a single primary, is it too much to ask the keepers of conventional wisdom to explain why not?