I think Cynthia Yockey might disagree with this statement…Update: or not

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I think Cynthia Yockey might disagree with this statement...Update: or not

Car­olyn Euell, 38, mother of two of the defen­dants, Erika Stroud, 21, of Dorch­ester and Feli­cia Stroud, 18, West Rox­bury, told reporters the alleged attack “can’t be hate­ful” because both her daugh­ters are lesbians.

This refers to a case in Boston where the two les­bian girls assaulted a gay man.

the vic­tim, who suf­fered a bro­ken nose, told cops he believed the attack was “moti­vated as a crime because of his sex­ual ori­en­ta­tion” since the three women “called him insult­ing homo­pho­bic slurs.”

Now as I’ve said before the whole idea of “hate crimes” is to me an absur­dity. Hate is a thought and/​or emo­tion and to charge a per­son based on it is the ulti­mate in play­ing “thought police”. If these ladies assaulted this man, the law should pun­ish them based on the assault, not based on if they hated him for any rea­son what­so­ever, even if it was some­thing as egre­gious as being a Yan­kees fan.

But given the exis­tence of hate crimes laws the idea that due to their les­bian­ism the attack “can’t be hate­ful” doesn’t just cre­ate an incred­i­ble dou­ble stan­dard but flys in the face of reality.

My friend Cyn­thia has talked in the past about the hor­ri­ble vit­riol that was directed against her and her part­ner when she veered from or cri­tiqued actions of “offi­cial les­bian­ism” for exam­ple she got grief for being part of a group called the “les­bian ladies soci­ety” for les­bians who are fem­i­nine and like to be.

in the late 1980’s, when I ran a group for fem­i­nine les­bians — who are NOT the same as femmes! — in Sil­ver Spring, Mary­land, which is a sub­urb of Wash­ing­ton, D.C., a pre-​op male-​to-​female tran­nie attended one of my meet­ings and infu­ri­ated pretty much every woman there so much that I had to tell him/​her not to come back or I would not have had a group. After that, I caught hell for stip­u­lat­ing that to be allowed to attend the meet­ings, you had to be born female as well as wear a skirt or dress (the lat­ter require­ment was the cheap­est form of dyke repel­lent I could think of).

Now we don’t know all the fact of this case, but the moment you have felony laws on the books that sone peo­ple can’t even be charged with, yet alone vio­late because of the par­tic­u­lar race or sex­ual ori­en­ta­tion you’re talk­ing nonsense.

Update: I had trou­ble find­ing the above link and ended up call­ing Cyn­thia for help in dis­cov­er­ing them, it turns out he dis­agrees on this case sug­gest­ing, (like the woman above) that this can’t be a hate crime against gays due to the les­bian­ism of the women, although we do agree on the absur­dity of hate crimes laws themselves.

She argued that phrases these women might have used would not be hate crimes if used by them, but would be if I used them as I am opposed to gay mar­riage (or as she puts it “gay equal­ity”) but noted that if such an equiv­a­lence was made the pro­lif­er­a­tion of hate crime charges from “black on black” crime would be so preva­lent that it would be worth enforc­ing them to illus­trate the absur­dity of hate crime laws in general.

Carolyn Euell, 38, mother of two of the defendants, Erika Stroud, 21, of Dorchester and Felicia Stroud, 18, West Roxbury, told reporters the alleged attack “can’t be hateful” because both her daughters are lesbians.

This refers to a case in Boston where the two lesbian girls assaulted a gay man.

the victim, who suffered a broken nose, told cops he believed the attack was “motivated as a crime because of his sexual orientation” since the three women “called him insulting homophobic slurs.”

Now as I’ve said before the whole idea of “hate crimes” is to me an absurdity. Hate is a thought and/or emotion and to charge a person based on it is the ultimate in playing “thought police”. If these ladies assaulted this man, the law should punish them based on the assault, not based on if they hated him for any reason whatsoever, even if it was something as egregious as being a Yankees fan.

But given the existence of hate crimes laws the idea that due to their lesbianism the attack “can’t be hateful” doesn’t just create an incredible double standard but flys in the face of reality.

My friend Cynthia has talked in the past about the horrible vitriol that was directed against her and her partner when she veered from or critiqued actions of “official lesbianism” for example she got grief for being part of a group called the “lesbian ladies society” for lesbians who are feminine and like to be.

in the late 1980’s, when I ran a group for feminine lesbians — who are NOT the same as femmes! — in Silver Spring, Maryland, which is a suburb of Washington, D.C., a pre-op male-to-female trannie attended one of my meetings and infuriated pretty much every woman there so much that I had to tell him/her not to come back or I would not have had a group. After that, I caught hell for stipulating that to be allowed to attend the meetings, you had to be born female as well as wear a skirt or dress (the latter requirement was the cheapest form of dyke repellent I could think of).

Now we don’t know all the fact of this case, but the moment you have felony laws on the books that sone people can’t even be charged with, yet alone violate because of the particular race or sexual orientation you’re talking nonsense.

Update: I had trouble finding the above link and ended up calling Cynthia for help in discovering them, it turns out he disagrees on this case suggesting, (like the woman above) that this can’t be a hate crime against gays due to the lesbianism of the women, although we do agree on the absurdity of hate crimes laws themselves.

She argued that phrases these women might have used would not be hate crimes if used by them, but would be if I used them as I am opposed to gay marriage (or as she puts it “gay equality”) but noted that if such an equivalence was made the proliferation of hate crime charges from “black on black” crime would be so prevalent that it would be worth enforcing them to illustrate the absurdity of hate crime laws in general.