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My post on Mormonism two days ago drew the following comment from regular reader Foible:
You’re once again mistaking the left for some sort of a hive mind. Some of us liberals are against any politicians basing laws on their faith. When Romney uses his religion as his excuse for changing his political positions then his religion is up for discussion.
Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers, don’t you think that is information the evangelical Christian voters should have? I know that if he is the republican nominee I’m going to politely use his title whenever I mention him; High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek, Mitt Romney
and as Stacy McCain notes this from Lawrence O’Donnell yesterday:
Mormonism was created by a guy in upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it. Forty-eight wives later, Joseph Smith’s lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go with it.
If O’Donnell thought there were votes in it, he would be accusing Mary of a tryst 2000 years ago.
and the with Politico:
“Let’s be honest, this is the core of who Mitt Romney is,” he said. “He was a missionary in France for two years. He has been a bishop in the church, which, in the Mormon church, is effectively like a a priest. Philanthropically, he’s made huge contributions. He’s had a big impact on the church. And yet he doesn’t talk about it. It’s the core of who he is, and yet he doesn’t feel like it’s safe to talk about.”
Let’s start with the given that Mormonism is theological nonsense in many ways. Let’s also take it as a given that it has no bearing on his qualifications be president, none of this matters, the Democrats knowing this president’s record need a different subject. Mitt can say things like this every day:
“…and while I understand the president doesn’t want to run on his record, he can’t run from his record…
…We know what Barack Obama’s vision for America is, we’ve lived it these last three years.”
and twice on Sunday. It won’t matter, Moe Lane and Kevin Williamson not withstanding Stacy knows what is coming:
And my friends, this has just barely begun. That little shot from O’Donnell? It was like the signal gun to start a massive barrage.
Maybe you have never done any research into the history of Mormonism. Maybe you have no idea how much material there is to work with. Maybe you are unaware of how many ex-Mormons and other critics of Mormonism have already gotten in touch with national news producers and reporters, eager to help them with “research” for all those in-depth feature articles and multi-part series about the LDS church.
If you don’t know any of that stuff, you can be forgiven for thinking that any negative media focus on Mitt Romney’s religion would automatically be seen as unfair and bigoted by independent voters. But just wait and see: If Romney actually does win the Republican nomination, and if it ever appears that Mitt poses a serious threat to Obama’s re-election, then the gloves will come off and you will be disabused of your naïveté.
Meanwhile to my friend Foible will almost certainly be voting for this guy:
Obama says he’s among those who sometimes question God’s plan for him. But he says that’s precisely when he recalls the “triumph” of the Easter story, and Jesus overcoming his doubts and fears before the crucifixion.
I suspect many on the secular left won’t have a problem voting for this “Christianist” because like supporters of Gay Marriage, they assume he is lying through their teeth.
To my friends in the GOP who insisted we needed Romney: You have made your bed, I hope you find it comfortable.
Update: Stacy sees the method of this madness for the media:
By using evangelicals as the “hook” to talk about Mitt’s Mormonism, the media cleverly raise an issue that hurts Romney more among secular liberals than it does among religious conservatives. (Dude, if you think Santorum’s Catholicism offends feminists, wait until the media start doing their Serious Journalism coverage of what Mormon doctrine teaches about women.) There are all kinds of angles from which to fit the “Mormon Mitt” meme into the media narrative, and yet some Republicans are so stupid they can’t imagine how the liberal MSM will manage to turn this stuff into legitimate news.
The possible story angles are numerous, the basic materials are plentiful, and how far the media might go with this meme is purely a function of whether they view Romney as a serious threat to Obama in November.
Earth to Stacy, You’d be a serious threat to Obama given his record, let alone a competent businessman in a bad economy like Romney so of course the MSM will be playing this card and it is going to trickle down to congressional races. In fact I guarantee the left’s War on Women meme will be used against Romney based on his church in a way the left wouldn’t dare go after a Muslim, and congressional candidates down the ticket will be made to answer questions concerning it too.
I still don’t think it will be enough to keep Obama in the White House but it will not only be damn close it will be some of the ugliest stuff you’ve ever seen.
My post on Mormonism two days ago drew the following comment from regular reader Foible:
You’re once again mistaking the left for some sort of a hive mind. Some of us liberals are against any politicians basing laws on their faith. When Romney uses his religion as his excuse for changing his political positions then his religion is up for discussion.
Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers, don’t you think that is information the evangelical Christian voters should have? I know that if he is the republican nominee I’m going to politely use his title whenever I mention him; High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek, Mitt Romney
and as Stacy McCain notes this from Lawrence O’Donnell yesterday:
Mormonism was created by a guy in upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it. Forty-eight wives later, Joseph Smith’s lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go with it.
If O’Donnell thought there were votes in it, he would be accusing Mary of a tryst 2000 years ago.
and the with Politico:
“Let’s be honest, this is the core of who Mitt Romney is,” he said. “He was a missionary in France for two years. He has been a bishop in the church, which, in the Mormon church, is effectively like a a priest. Philanthropically, he’s made huge contributions. He’s had a big impact on the church. And yet he doesn’t talk about it. It’s the core of who he is, and yet he doesn’t feel like it’s safe to talk about.”
Let’s start with the given that Mormonism is theological nonsense in many ways. Let’s also take it as a given that it has no bearing on his qualifications be president, none of this matters, the Democrats knowing this president’s record need a different subject. Mitt can say things like this every day:
“…and while I understand the president doesn’t want to run on his record, he can’t run from his record…
…We know what Barack Obama’s vision for America is, we’ve lived it these last three years.”
and twice on Sunday. It won’t matter, Moe Lane and Kevin Williamson not withstanding Stacy knows what is coming:
And my friends, this has just barely begun. That little shot from O’Donnell? It was like the signal gun to start a massive barrage.
Maybe you have never done any research into the history of Mormonism. Maybe you have no idea how much material there is to work with. Maybe you are unaware of how many ex-Mormons and other critics of Mormonism have already gotten in touch with national news producers and reporters, eager to help them with “research” for all those in-depth feature articles and multi-part series about the LDS church.
If you don’t know any of that stuff, you can be forgiven for thinking that any negative media focus on Mitt Romney’s religion would automatically be seen as unfair and bigoted by independent voters. But just wait and see: If Romney actually does win the Republican nomination, and if it ever appears that Mitt poses a serious threat to Obama’s re-election, then the gloves will come off and you will be disabused of your naïveté.
Meanwhile to my friend Foible will almost certainly be voting for this guy:
Obama says he’s among those who sometimes question God’s plan for him. But he says that’s precisely when he recalls the “triumph” of the Easter story, and Jesus overcoming his doubts and fears before the crucifixion.
I suspect many on the secular left won’t have a problem voting for this “Christianist” because like supporters of Gay Marriage, they assume he is lying through their teeth.
To my friends in the GOP who insisted we needed Romney: You have made your bed, I hope you find it comfortable.
Update: Stacy sees the method of this madness for the media:
By using evangelicals as the “hook” to talk about Mitt’s Mormonism, the media cleverly raise an issue that hurts Romney more among secular liberals than it does among religious conservatives. (Dude, if you think Santorum’s Catholicism offends feminists, wait until the media start doing their Serious Journalism coverage of what Mormon doctrine teaches about women.) There are all kinds of angles from which to fit the “Mormon Mitt” meme into the media narrative, and yet some Republicans are so stupid they can’t imagine how the liberal MSM will manage to turn this stuff into legitimate news.
The possible story angles are numerous, the basic materials are plentiful, and how far the media might go with this meme is purely a function of whether they view Romney as a serious threat to Obama in November.
Earth to Stacy, You’d be a serious threat to Obama given his record, let alone a competent businessman in a bad economy like Romney so of course the MSM will be playing this card and it is going to trickle down to congressional races. In fact I guarantee the left’s War on Women meme will be used against Romney based on his church in a way the left wouldn’t dare go after a Muslim, and congressional candidates down the ticket will be made to answer questions concerning it too.
I still don’t think it will be enough to keep Obama in the White House but it will not only be damn close it will be some of the ugliest stuff you’ve ever seen.
If Mormonism leads to Romney’s decline and defeat this November, then this country still has quite a way until we reach true reigious tolerance, which our Founders instilled in the Constitution that no reigious test shall be administered to serve in public office.. I hope Americans are better then this, but I guess we’ll find out.
That is true, and it’s a shame, but it’s foolish to pretend it’s not a factor or not wargame it so to speak.
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It is not LDS that is Mitt’s problem, it is this…
I agree the LDS should be a non-issue, but we were told over and over again that Rick Santorum is a rick over social issues by the Romney Crowd, totally ignoring that the left and media would use make his Mormon religion an issue.
I submit that a candidate who is comfortable and willing to defend his religious beliefs is stronger in a general election than one who will remain silent and allow the left to define it for them.
I just don’t want to hear a single complaint from the “We can’t nominate Santorum because the left will hit us on social issues and religion” crowd.
It was a false argument then and the left will prove it even more moot in the months to come.
Rick would have had the same difficulties (no worse and no better) than Mitt. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/figures-democrats-faith-witness-says-catholic-beliefs-are-bullsht/
We, as Republicans and conservatives, need to fight this crap. And yes, it would be nice if Mitt Romney fought back too. He better or he will lose.
Disagree, the left would have to be more circumspect hitting believing Catholics due to the Latino vote
Only a bit. They would go after Santorum as some Opus Dei freak and suggest he has albino “friends” who come out at night… Then they would march out “good catholics” like Andrew Sullivan to explain how Santorum and his ilk twisted the faith. But the personal attacks on Santorum? They would have been as bad.
It would have been equally as ugly. We need to fight back. Starting with Mitt Romney.
The Village Voice back page attack on Ann Romney was so over the top, so ridiculous in theory, that it actually is a gift to beat the media with. Talk about hypocrisy and a war on women? It was an insane attack and we should be attacking the media for this crap.
Pete: http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/53764 Here is Don Surber’s counter argument.
So are you saying because there is so much material to work with, we should not ever have a Mormon nominee because he or she would be vilified and lose? Or is it just Romney?
And if Rick Santorum managed to win a few more primaries and was the front runner and the presumptive nominee, you do not think he would be vilified for his “radical” Catholic Opus Dei ties? It would be similar to the lies that they used to vilify Sarah Palin in 2008. It does not matter who the GOP candidate is, Alexrod and his media allies will unleash everything they have to save their grip on political power. It is going to get vicious. It will be based on lies.
I am not a fan of Mitt Romney over some of his policies and past positions. I did not care for the attacks by Romney against other GOP candidates. But I still consider him far better than Barack Obama and any problems I have with Mitt are not based on his LDS faith. I will defend him when he attacked for being LDS. Your suggestion that Romney’s faith is now the “bed” we have to find comfortable is very depressing. It is defeatist and it is wrong. What we should be doing as Republicans is defending our candidates when they are wrongly attacked over faith. Even if that candidate is not the one you supported in the primaries.
And every time they attack Romney over the Mormon faith 150 years ago, we turn it back on them and attack about Barack Obama sitting in Jeremiah Wright’s church as late as four years ago. Or bring up Obama’s radical ties to Ayers and others.
Woo Hoo! I’m famous now, thanks for quoting me.
Do I assume Obama is lying through his teeth when he talks about his religion? No, but I think he references it in the way Kennedy did. It is his personal support for making secular decisions.
Romney has already credited (or blamed, depending on your view) his faith for his march to the right on critical issues. How do you know he isn’t going to have another epiphany tomorrow and adopt some totally different position?
Maybe things look different here on the left coast but I don’t want Obama to try and run from his record. He saved the auto industry when Romney wanted bankruptcy. He ended a war. He killed Osama Bin Laden. The economy is clearly turning around here, at the company where I work we’re “in-sourcing” production of things currently made in China. It has taken years to dig out of the hole the last Republican president left us, I’m not anxious to jump back in it again.
I am delighted that you are doing well and likewise would encourage the president to run on his record, but considering the tactics of the administration and the unwillingness of his fellow democrats to support said record I suspect that your situation is the exception rather than the rule.
As for Romney, I am a Santorum man and am well acquainted with his flip flops, particularly on social issues. I suspect Romney flop toward social conservatism has as much to do with his religious beliefs as his initial flip away from them when he ran in Massachusetts, that is, none. I concede he is not, by any means a man of political courage.
What he IS however is a clearly more competent man to run the American Economy by leaps and bounds than president Obama and that is the primary issue in this election.