“You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means”

Indgo Montoya The Princess Bride

There are now reports that Chick-Fil-A has not in fact changed their charitable positions, Michelle Malkin:

When I first saw reports on Twitter that Chick-fil-A had caved to the tolerance mob, I despaired. Corporation after corporation has given in to the free speech-squelching agitators on the Left who demand political conformity.

Turns out the information was coming from progressive activists trying to shape a false narrative.

She is referring to this statement that is pretty long winded to say something that shouldn’t take so many words:

In response to media reports that Chick-fil-A has agreed to stop making charitable donations to groups like Focus on the Family, the company today released a statement to set the record straight.

Contrary to reports first made by the gay-activist group The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA) on Tuesday and later picked up by mainstream media outlets, Chick-fil-A and its charitable-giving arm, the WinShape Foundation, did not agree to stop making donations to groups that support the biblical definition of marriage in exchange for being allowed to open a franchise in Chicago.

“For many months now, Chick-fil-A’s corporate giving has been mischaracterized,” executives said in today’s statement. “And while our sincere intent has been to remain out of this political and social debate, events from Chicago this week have once again resulted in questions around our giving. For that reason, we want to provide some context and clarity around who we are, what we believe and our priorities in relation to corporate giving.

and this on the Huckabee site:

I talked earlier today personally with Dan Cathy, CEO of Chick Fil-A about the new reports that Chick Fil-A had capitulated to demands of the supporters of same sex marriage. This is not true. The company continues to focus on the fair treatment of all of its customers and employees, but to end confusion gave me this statement:

“There continues to be erroneous implications in the media that Chick-fil-A changed our practices and priorities in order to obtain permission for a new restaurant in Chicago. That is incorrect. Chick-fil-A made no such concessions, and we remain true to who we are and who we have been.”

The Baptist press had more to say:

Chick-fil-A’s base of support remains largely in conservative states, and those customers hardly consider Focus on the Family and other groups “anti-gay.” Many felt Chick-fil-A had caved.

Earlier this summer, hundreds of thousands of customers took part in Chick-fil-A Appreciation after company president Dan Cathy was criticized for comments supporting the biblical definition of marriage. Chick-fil-A’s stance on values is well-known: It is closed on Sundays, and its corporate statement includes the desire to “glorify God.”

In the 24 hours after the story out of Chicago broke, Chick-fil-A’s Facebook page was flooded with criticism of the new policy.

NBC’s story further clouded the issue:

Chick-fil-A tried to keep the agreement under wraps, said Rick Garcia, TCRA senior policy advisor. “My perspective is they want to have it both ways,” he said. “They’re getting opposition all over major metropolitan areas particularly in the north… The dilemma for them is will this hurt them with the right wingers?”

The problem here is semantics, to the left if you do not support Gay Marriage you are “Anti-Gay” under that definition the percentage of “anti-gay” people in the US was in the high 90% until just a few years ago

Garcia is now upset

“I am angry and disgusted,” said Rick Garcia, senior policy advisor at advocacy group The Civil Rights Agenda. “Chick-fil-A lied to us and lied to the alderman so that they could open their store in Chicago.”

He should not be if this is true it means a lot less trouble for left than the right since they can still fundraise on it and no longer have to worry about retaliation in the vast majority of the country that doesn’t back them.

As Sister Toldja said

I saw this article from Focus on the Family yesterday, and it has chopped up quotes from a new statement ChickfilA apparently released yesterday (which I have not seen in full) in response to their alleged caving. I don’t think this article clears much up at all, but you can decide for yourself:

She’s right, the whole “You can decide for yourself” business mean there is confusion. Now while the idea of a Chicago Pol lying through their teeth would not surprise me all that much it me re-iterate the biblical quote that was at the top of my previous post on the subject:

Let your ‘Yes’ mean ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No’ mean ‘No.’ Anything more is from the evil one. (Matthew 5:37)

This is unfair not only to people like me, but to people on the other side. So lets just ask the yes or no questions to Chick-Fil-A directly:

1. Have you in the past or have you not in the past given money to groups that are fighting to preserve Marriage?

2. If you have, did you or did you not make any promise to any group to no longer support groups fighting to preserve marriage?

3. If you did, have you decided to revoke that promise?

4. If you did not, did you deceive said groups into thinking you made such a promise?

If all of this was a false attempt by the Chicago Alderman to safe face and from Gay Marriage groups to compromise you a different way, no one will be more delighted than me although it means I will have to re-write the words to my updated version of Kipling’s The Dane Geld that I have scheduled to go up tomorrow night.

Either way we need to know, not guess, remember the commandment about false witness? I understand that you don’t want to be in this mess, but you claim an affinity of Christ and as Robert Stacy McCain put it when talking about a different subject:

 

And if you are worried about the flack, remember the words from all those centuries ago:

“If the world hates you, realize that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you. Remember the word I spoke to you, ‘No slave is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. And they will do all these things to you on account of my name, because they do not know the one who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin; but as it is they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me also hates my Father. John 15:18-23

If you claim Christianity the idea that people will hate you and go after you isn’t a problem to be solved, it’s part of the job description.

Update: Protean wisdom finds more clarity than I did in the statements but makes a fair case here:

Me, I believe the real “compromise” was this: the Alderman secured the right to declare public victory; and in exchange, Chick-fil-A retained its own status quo, and received the licensing to open its franchise. For them, it was a business decision, and its principles remained unchanged. While for the Alderman, it was a PR victory, even though nothing at all changed.

It’s Chicago politics. And its long past due for that place to be evacuated, burned to the ground, the earth beneath salted, and marigold seeds planted atop the ruins.

As for Chick-fil-A, they are under no obligation to make some sort of national public stance and become the retail crucible for culture war battles; having said that, it’s comforting to know that they didn’t compromise, and that — as is the left’s wont — they were forced to declare victory while securing no such thing, then using that declaration to shore up their identity politics bona fides with activists who, like the Alderman, care more about optics than they do about the actual fallout from their policy proposals.

I hope he’s right

Update 3: Paying the Gay-Geld?

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I was at the Benedictine Abby in Harvard (Still River) Ma yesterday covering the Prayers for life event.

This event was the first day of three consisting of a series of talks and prayers for life and for our country.

The main event is Father Peter West who I first met while at CPAC. He talked about this event and Mary Ann Harold of WQPH Fitchburg Catholic Radio gave us a rundown of the events:

Before this interview I attended his speech.

He talked about the events of today as a spiritual battle and the historical significance of Prayer in major events.

“WE are in need of serious prayer with the same furor as the polish people prayed at our lady of Częstochowa.

He stated many don’t understand the full gravity of the current situation and the fate of our country will be hanging on events that will happen very soon.

He cited the following
• 40 yrs of abortion on demand
• Threat to constitutional liberties
• The threat to Marriage
• Catholic institutions forced out of the adoption business
• God pushed out of schools & the public square
• Christians persecuted worldwide while Militant Islam rises

“There is no problem no matter how difficult it is that can’t be resolved by praying the rosary”

When finished he took Questions:

On Civil Disobedience:

And direct vs indirect aid to evil

I actually was not aware of Our Mother of Kibeho

These apparitions in Rwanda from the eighties calling for prayer & fasting in anticipation of the War & Slaughter that would come to that land.

He took questions on the:Media Blackout

And the importance of Fasting along with Prayer:

I recorded the Rosary decade by decade. It is on Youtube now, and will be on the blog this Sunday.

Update: That should of course have said, “Prayers for life” The flyer is here

Here is what people discovered:

  • Scott Brown stands by his good record.
  • Scott Brown’s stands by his awful record
  • Everybody loves the troops
  • Everybody loves women.
  • Scott Brown wants to protect Millionaires & Billionaires
  • Elizabeth Warren wants to turn your wallet into her personal piggy bank.

What you really learned, this style debate is fun and it’s not about the moderator which is good, but it got old really fast.

Good thing for Brown: The “I stand by my record” is appealing.  It’s always good when a person doesn’t duck

Bad thing for Brown: He is a likable person, you didn’t like ether of these folks much by the end.

Good thing for Warren: The stress of her family in the military. It de-elites her which is her biggest weakness

Bad Thing for Warren: If there was ever a week to NOT stress how much you want Barack Obama as the Commander-in-Chief, this was it.

My take:  Tacitly:  This debate was pretty much a wash, I think that helps Warren because of her slight lead. When a great part of your appeal is likability a debate that makes you want to throw rocks at the screen is bad, that could hurt, Scott Brown.

 

Strategically:  Brown established a big meme last night.  “Elizabeth Warren wants to turn your wallet into her piggy bank” was a memorable line.  If he has planted that meme in the heads of people it can be the basis of attacks for the rest of the campaign.  Additionally Warren took a big risk stressing not just she support for Barack Obama (which helps in MA)  but her support for him as Commander in Chief.

As the details of a successful Terrorist attack on  9/11  continue to come out the “I want to keep Barack Obama” as commander in Chief.” just might come back to haunt her.

Warren people might be happy tonight but if the Brown Campaign is smart (and I think they are) they will hang the repetitive narratives of this debate around Elizabeth Warren’s neck and make her slowly choke her on it.

This could be VERY Interesting

Update: I should have mentioned we also found out that Scott Brown in not an incumbent, because the debate moderator refused to call him “Senator” he was Mr. Brown. In my life I have never seen that. Was there a single debate where Ted Kennedy was not referred to as “Senator”?