Google and unintended consequences

by Datechguy | October 31st, 2012

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Google and unintended consequences

I found this post at the The Think­ing Amer­i­can­ist con­cern­ing this bit of google news rep­re­sented by this seem­ingly innocu­ous video question:

In a post con­cern­ing what this means Chris Crum said this:

If, how­ever, your idea of quot­ing is includ­ing an entire arti­cle from some other site, or maybe even mul­ti­ple arti­cles, and you’re not doing any orig­i­nal con­tent your­self, then that can affect the rep­u­ta­tion of how we view your site,” he adds.

Basi­cally, as long as you are adding some kind of value and per­spec­tive to what you are quot­ing, you’re going to be as far as Google is concerned.

Those sorts of things are com­pletely legit­i­mate and absolutely fine,” Cutts says. “I wouldn’t worry about that.

So, if you’re quot­ing (and link­ing) rather than scrap­ing, you’re prob­a­bly okay. You may not want to go over­board on how much text you’re actu­ally quot­ing from a source, how­ever. Oth­er­wise, you’re liable to be run into trou­ble with the source itself.

Now that begs the ques­tion, in trou­ble in what way? In the way a site is ranked? In the way Google’s engine goes through the post? Exactly how is Google look­ing at stuff?

Most peo­ple don’t ever think about this but at least one blog­ger did:

Well, I would not set­tle for what they are telling us; because I have dis­cov­ered that Google is now com­ing to my blog, every time I post some­thing new to the blog and exe­cut­ing a search of my blog and the inter­net for dupli­cated content.

This makes sense, if they are check­ing for dupli­cate con­tent they must actu­ally scan to see if it exists Mr ADkins asks the question:

why does Google feel the need to search my blog against their data­base? Now, if I were an Alex Jones type or an overly para­noid Con­ser­v­a­tive; I would be think­ing that the Gov­ern­ment is index­ing my posts for inves­ti­ga­tion pur­poses or some­thing worse. Now, I really do not believe that some­thing like this would be occur­ring, but this search­ing my blog stuff really has me wondering.

I actu­ally have a more prac­ti­cal question.

My Weekly “Under The Fedora” col­umn appears on 4 dif­fer­ent blogs at the moment, on two of them I post it myself, on one I leave it in draft because I have some odd for­mat­ting issues, but on another I sub­mit it and they post it.

If Google is doing this does this cause a dis­ad­van­tage to the sites that post it later? How does it han­dle such things as say a Mark Steyn Col­umn that might appear at mul­ti­ple places at once and what pro­ce­dures are in place to make sure a post that is snarfed by some­one else and copied doesn’t acci­den­tally get pro­moted over the original?

I don’t think this is any­thing sin­is­ter but for blog­gers like me who will have dupli­cate posts on mul­ti­ple sites on a reg­u­lar basis it should be a con­sid­er­a­tion when fig­ur­ing out how to sched­ule your posts.

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BTW a few peo­ple might find them­selves sur­prised that I linked Pat Adkins here. Every­one knows I’m a friend of Zilla, Stacy and oth­ers who have had run-​ins with him. Why this post and the link?

First: I found this story inter­est­ing and his quote was a part of it

Sec­ond: Since he was the source of the story for me sim­ple blog pro­to­col demands a link

Third: When he became aware of the Zilla video he put up a pub­lic retrac­tion and has included a per­ma­nent link com­plete with graphic on the front page. I’m Catholic I like con­tri­tion and it deserves recog­ni­tion and if you’re not Chris­t­ian then con­sider these words of Glenn Reynolds: When you reward behav­ior, you tend to get more of it.

Update That’s ADKINS not ATKINS and yes the site was down a few hours full details not yet available.

I found this post at the The Thinking Americanist concerning this bit of google news represented by this seemingly innocuous video question:

In a post concerning what this means Chris Crum said this:

“If, however, your idea of quoting is including an entire article from some other site, or maybe even multiple articles, and you’re not doing any original content yourself, then that can affect the reputation of how we view your site,” he adds.

Basically, as long as you are adding some kind of value and perspective to what you are quoting, you’re going to be as far as Google is concerned.

“Those sorts of things are completely legitimate and absolutely fine,” Cutts says. “I wouldn’t worry about that.

So, if you’re quoting (and linking) rather than scraping, you’re probably okay. You may not want to go overboard on how much text you’re actually quoting from a source, however. Otherwise, you’re liable to be run into trouble with the source itself.

Now that begs the question, in trouble in what way? In the way a site is ranked? In the way Google’s engine goes through the post? Exactly how is Google looking at stuff?

Most people don’t ever think about this but at least one blogger did:

Well, I would not settle for what they are telling us; because I have discovered that Google is now coming to my blog, every time I post something new to the blog and executing a search of my blog and the internet for duplicated content.

This makes sense, if they are checking for duplicate content they must actually scan to see if it exists Mr ADkins asks the question:

why does Google feel the need to search my blog against their database? Now, if I were an Alex Jones type or an overly paranoid Conservative; I would be thinking that the Government is indexing my posts for investigation purposes or something worse. Now, I really do not believe that something like this would be occurring, but this searching my blog stuff really has me wondering.

I actually have a more practical question.

My Weekly “Under The Fedora” column appears on 4 different blogs at the moment, on two of them I post it myself, on one I leave it in draft because I have some odd formatting issues, but on another I submit it and they post it.

If Google is doing this does this cause a disadvantage to the sites that post it later? How does it handle such things as say a Mark Steyn Column that might appear at multiple places at once and what procedures are in place to make sure a post that is snarfed by someone else and copied doesn’t accidentally get promoted over the original?

I don’t think this is anything sinister but for bloggers like me who will have duplicate posts on multiple sites on a regular basis it should be a consideration when figuring out how to schedule your posts.

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BTW a few people might find themselves surprised that I linked Pat Adkins here. Everyone knows I’m a friend of Zilla, Stacy and others who have had run-ins with him. Why this post and the link?

First: I found this story interesting and his quote was a part of it

Second: Since he was the source of the story for me simple blog protocol demands a link

Third: When he became aware of the Zilla video he put up a public retraction and has included a permanent link complete with graphic on the front page. I’m Catholic I like contrition and it deserves recognition and if you’re not Christian then consider these words of Glenn Reynolds: When you reward behavior, you tend to get more of it.

Update That’s ADKINS not ATKINS and yes the site was down a few hours full details not yet available.

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