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chronicling in piece after piece with information to back it up of democrats running away from Barack Obama.
with the election over and Barack Obama re-elected I’m sure quite a few people are questioning this, but the facts from the last two years haven’t changed.
Glenn Reynolds said over and over again, “Don’t get cocky” but I think he fundamentally misunderstood me. There are two sentences in that message I was giving.
“They’re demoralized as hell” was a statement of the left’s condition. That was an objective fact. Barack Obama drew million upon millions less votes than in 2008. His margin of victory was a full 5 points smaller than the last time around. Plenty of people were convinced Obama is no longer the one.
But it doesn’t matter if they are Demoralized as Hell if you don’t Ride Right Through Them.
Which brings us to Mitt “McClellan” Romney.
There were two different Mitt Romney on the campaign trail.
There was the Mitt Romney that wanted to be loved, the Mitt Romney that didn’t want to attack Barack Obama. The Mitt Romney that didn’t want to push back against the media, the Mitt Romney that didn’t want to defend the Conservative principles that he supposedly had. He was more concerned with being liked than attacking. Unfortunately while this gives you points for sportsmanship, George McClellan was universally loved by his troops it doesn’t give you victory on election day.
And then there was the Mitt Romney of the primaries. The Mitt Romney that was willing to play hardball against his GOP foes, who was willing to confront them, attack them and go after them. That was the Mitt Romney who had no problem playing with the rules at state and national conventions to lock out Ron Paul voters who had learned the rules and played by them and then tossed them aside. This Mitt Romney and his team played hardball with conservatives figuring “Where are you going to go?”
They went home and stayed there on election day. More than three million of them, less than the number that abandoned Barack Obama but still McCain voters stayed home by the Millions.
If those millions show up, Mitt Romney is planning his transition, the democrats knew it too, on Tuesday the Media for the entire morning was wearing long faces for a very long time. They couldn’t have imagined that Republicans would stay home twice in a row.
…but they did.
I couldn’t imagine it either. I was sure given the voter ID numbers from Gallup & Rasmussen Silver was wrong, I misinterpreted his results. It wasn’t a question of the Dem base showing up, Millions deserted Obama, but his poll instead was a warning that the GOP base was staying home. As I said in a rough draft of my final pre-election commentary.
Or let’s put it this way. If the Union army spent its entire time marching in the North to this tune…
…instead of this marching south to this one…
…we would be two different countries right now.
Barack Obama is the only two term president in history to win a second term with fewer votes than the first time around. We can pussy foot around it but the blame is Mitt Romney’s he alone could have overruled his advisers and chosen to attack. He could have given the Ron Paul supporters their pride, he could have defended conservatism instead of ignoring it.
Some might think it’s unfair to blame him, but Mitt Romney spent years of his life and begged thousands of people for millions of dollars to be the standard-bearer of the party and with that role comes responsibility for the results.
Mind you the blame for putting him in that position can be shared by all those who decided that nominating a moderate Massachusetts Governor who never attempted to grow the party in his own state during his time in office was a good idea, but once he was nominated the choice was no longer between Mitt Romney and a strong conservative but Mitt Romney and Barack Obama and given that choice the only thing to do was to fight like hell for Mitt as the standard-bearer of a conservative party.
If only the republican establishment felt the same way about those who support the party.
Update: Fixed video and added Dr. Who quote because…it’s a Doctor Who quote
I should also say, this is the first I’ve heard that this project even existed. No one told me about it.
This is project ORCA that turned out to be a beached Whale, I had not heard of it either. Perhaps instead of relying on something like this there was another alternative?
It is the Christians who get out the vote, folks. We are the base of the Republican Party. We were ignored (and even hated) by the establishment. Some will try to say that the ORCA failure is itself to blame. No. It’s that Mitt Romney relied on it in the first place, instead of seeking the help of the socially conservative base of the party, that he lost. No “moderate” candidate will ever win for the GOP, least of all one who treats us little people as if we don’t matter.
And yet what did Lisa Graas do?
I voted for Mitt Romney. I voted for the whole Republican ticket. I could have done far more than simply vote for him. He never asked. He didn’t want my help. So, he lost.
There are folks to blame for this election, Lisa Graas is not one of them.
Update 3: Got the following e-mail from Mike Rogers of Granite Grok:
Great comments.
Here’s the thing, and a good reason why the Paulistas deserve scorn and derision:
The time to take over the GOP (state by state) or set up a real third party (let’s call it the conservative party, like NY state), is NOW, after a historic election that demonstrated the ineptness of the “Wizards of Smart”.
The time NOT to talk about and vote for a third part candidate, or stay home and pout about rules that work against you is DURING an historic election, when one of the evils is immeasurably worse than the guy you can’t quite warm to.
If we successfully set up a conservative party, and win some seats, we can choose to align with Republicans or even endorse their candidate as a tactical matter on a vote by vote basis.
What say you?
Sounds good to me.
I’m your dad, it’s my job for it to be my fault
Doctor Who Father’s Day 2005
“no one but McClellan could have hesitated to attack.”
General Joseph E. Johnston April 1862
For over a year I wrote piece after piece with the tag line
chronicling in piece after piece with information to back it up of democrats running away from Barack Obama.
with the election over and Barack Obama re-elected I’m sure quite a few people are questioning this, but the facts from the last two years haven’t changed.
Glenn Reynolds said over and over again, “Don’t get cocky” but I think he fundamentally misunderstood me. There are two sentences in that message I was giving.
“They’re demoralized as hell” was a statement of the left’s condition. That was an objective fact. Barack Obama drew million upon millions less votes than in 2008. His margin of victory was a full 5 points smaller than the last time around. Plenty of people were convinced Obama is no longer the one.
But it doesn’t matter if they are Demoralized as Hell if you don’t Ride Right Through Them.
Which brings us to Mitt “McClellan” Romney.
There were two different Mitt Romney on the campaign trail.
There was the Mitt Romney that wanted to be loved, the Mitt Romney that didn’t want to attack Barack Obama. The Mitt Romney that didn’t want to push back against the media, the Mitt Romney that didn’t want to defend the Conservative principles that he supposedly had. He was more concerned with being liked than attacking. Unfortunately while this gives you points for sportsmanship, George McClellan was universally loved by his troops it doesn’t give you victory on election day.
And then there was the Mitt Romney of the primaries. The Mitt Romney that was willing to play hardball against his GOP foes, who was willing to confront them, attack them and go after them. That was the Mitt Romney who had no problem playing with the rules at state and national conventions to lock out Ron Paul voters who had learned the rules and played by them and then tossed them aside. This Mitt Romney and his team played hardball with conservatives figuring “Where are you going to go?”
They went home and stayed there on election day. More than three million of them, less than the number that abandoned Barack Obama but still McCain voters stayed home by the Millions.
If those millions show up, Mitt Romney is planning his transition, the democrats knew it too, on Tuesday the Media for the entire morning was wearing long faces for a very long time. They couldn’t have imagined that Republicans would stay home twice in a row.
…but they did.
I couldn’t imagine it either. I was sure given the voter ID numbers from Gallup & Rasmussen Silver was wrong, I misinterpreted his results. It wasn’t a question of the Dem base showing up, Millions deserted Obama, but his poll instead was a warning that the GOP base was staying home. As I said in a rough draft of my final pre-election commentary.
Or let’s put it this way. If the Union army spent its entire time marching in the North to this tune…
…instead of this marching south to this one…
…we would be two different countries right now.
Barack Obama is the only two term president in history to win a second term with fewer votes than the first time around. We can pussy foot around it but the blame is Mitt Romney’s he alone could have overruled his advisers and chosen to attack. He could have given the Ron Paul supporters their pride, he could have defended conservatism instead of ignoring it.
Some might think it’s unfair to blame him, but Mitt Romney spent years of his life and begged thousands of people for millions of dollars to be the standard-bearer of the party and with that role comes responsibility for the results.
Mind you the blame for putting him in that position can be shared by all those who decided that nominating a moderate Massachusetts Governor who never attempted to grow the party in his own state during his time in office was a good idea, but once he was nominated the choice was no longer between Mitt Romney and a strong conservative but Mitt Romney and Barack Obama and given that choice the only thing to do was to fight like hell for Mitt as the standard-bearer of a conservative party.
If only the republican establishment felt the same way about those who support the party.
Update: Fixed video and added Dr. Who quote because…it’s a Doctor Who quote
I should also say, this is the first I’ve heard that this project even existed. No one told me about it.
This is project ORCA that turned out to be a beached Whale, I had not heard of it either. Perhaps instead of relying on something like this there was another alternative?
It is the Christians who get out the vote, folks. We are the base of the Republican Party. We were ignored (and even hated) by the establishment. Some will try to say that the ORCA failure is itself to blame. No. It’s that Mitt Romney relied on it in the first place, instead of seeking the help of the socially conservative base of the party, that he lost. No “moderate” candidate will ever win for the GOP, least of all one who treats us little people as if we don’t matter.
And yet what did Lisa Graas do?
I voted for Mitt Romney. I voted for the whole Republican ticket. I could have done far more than simply vote for him. He never asked. He didn’t want my help. So, he lost.
There are folks to blame for this election, Lisa Graas is not one of them.
Update 3: Got the following e-mail from Mike Rogers of Granite Grok:
Great comments.
Here’s the thing, and a good reason why the Paulistas deserve scorn and derision:
The time to take over the GOP (state by state) or set up a real third party (let’s call it the conservative party, like NY state), is NOW, after a historic election that demonstrated the ineptness of the “Wizards of Smart”.
The time NOT to talk about and vote for a third part candidate, or stay home and pout about rules that work against you is DURING an historic election, when one of the evils is immeasurably worse than the guy you can’t quite warm to.
If we successfully set up a conservative party, and win some seats, we can choose to align with Republicans or even endorse their candidate as a tactical matter on a vote by vote basis.
I stayed home this year. After so many years of the Republicans throwing sh*t-sandwiches at me, I said to hell with them. If you east coast moderate mushes can’t give me a solid conservative to vote for, you can join the WHIGS on the trash heap of history. I’ll die before I vote for another RINO, and it just may come to that. So be it.
F the RINO scum buckets. You jerks told people like me that we were irrelevant during the primary. I guess myself and 3 million fellow patriots proved your wrong eh?
NO CONSERVATIVE? NO VOTE!!! EVER! Let the country fall if that’s what it takes.
Da tech guy, Your dead right about Romney NOT riding through them. And as you said, he knew how alright, he didnt hesitate to ride right through conservative primary ranks…and they were not even demoralized. Until ridden over by our own side.
Can we admit it yet?. Establishment Republicans are sitting at the other end of the table from the Dems. Only at the local levels have I ever seen republicans actually cut budgets and and act conservative.
For how long now? twenty, twenty five or more years In Washington, its always bigger, more programs and more spending. Republican or Democrat. Always.
When in Az we passed 1070 the Washington Republicans mounted up alongside the Dems to charge at us. ” how dare they try to enforce the laws we wrote!”
Our current house Republican leadership wants to know what days they can mow Obama’s lawn and caddy for him.
Romney had the richest field of targets ever presented to a challenger, It boggles the mind. The bonus was Oboma giving his own October surprise in Bengahzi to himself. The Washington republicans were way way to quiet. Its not imcompetance or missed opertunities, its called professional curtesy.
Sorry I think we wouldve been bitterly dissapointed if Romney had won. I know it hurts bad, this fresh wound, this most recent election. But for me It pails compared to the absolute confusion and nausiousness, the pit i felt in my stomache, when our own judge ran us down from behind and rewrote Obama care and allowed it to stand!
I dont think I’m alone….No longer carrying clubs for establishment Republicans.
David
The loss can’t be entirely blamed on Romney or the campaign. They were not perfect but who is? No, the fundamental problem is so many people just don’t care enough about the country to know what’s going on and then show up and vote accordingly. In this election, both the objective facts and basic logic were on the Republican side. If Dancing with the Stars or Honey Boo Boo is more important to a majority of the eligible voting population, no amount of facts and reasoning is going to help. Are we there yet? I don’t know, but it looks an awful lot like we are.
Sure there were other problems. Was the media completely biased toward getting Obama elected? Of course. Did a lot of cheating go on in strategic areas of the country? Looks like it. Was the stimulus a naked attempt to buy votes? Yup. But if the people care about their own country enough to vote against the Donks in a landslide, (which should have happened given this economy and what they promise to do in the next term) none of that will matter. In fact, all those things would generate massive pushback – electoral and otherwise.
The disengaged will get the government they deserve, and I will not feel sorry for them when they do. Unfortunately those of us who do care will also be stuck with it.
When the primaries were in full swing evangelicals had their choice if 3 or 4 conservative candidates but they NEVER came around to supporting one of then and romney the moderate was able to fill the void and thats why conservative stayed at home ! They dont get their way the stay home and wont play ! Selfish hypocrites ! Thanjs a lot !
ORCA was a disaster locally. I was a Committeewoman working in a majority D county in Fl. The ORCA folks did no sort of coordination with the local party, botched the training and delivery of the program to volunteers, had them calling us wanting to know what was happening because the programs “director” was off line and unavailable to volunteers. We had to certify the ORCA people to local SOE a couple of hours before the deadline and had no time to check that all elements of submission were correct (which we did with our volunteers for pollwatching). In addition the Democrat SOE screwed us by saying that we could not request certification for all precincts, but had to specify particular ones, then let the Democrats certify all their people for ALL PRECINCTS. The more fools we, for believing what we were told.
Also all problems in our election day took place in the few R precincts there are in this county. Still waiting to see if all Absentee ballots were counted. Maybe there was not the undervote we thought there was.
Speaking of “two years ago…” back then I was pointing out just how stupid it would be for the conservative party to nominate someone from Massachusetts – home of McGovern’s die hard supporters and Michael Dukakis – as their candidate.
I think Mitt’s Massachusetts taint kept more Republican voters home than his Mormon religion.
P.S. It’s unseemly for a Catholic to complain that Mitt lacked political courage. Taken a look at your bishops lately?
Oh, and for all the “you go to war with the army you have” folks, who want to abandon the unborn and mimic the left in voting for the end of religion- well that’s exactly what kept many of us from voting for Romney.
If we don’t stop this nonsense about voting for the lesser evil, all we’re going to keep getting is evil.
Theodore Seeber — you can just get down off your high horse you jerk. People like you have RUINED the future of my born, here, living 2.5 year old. He is every bit as innocent as the unborn. And you have completely ruined his future for your one issue. God has his chosen people but this is His chosen nation and you have taken a hammer to it with your intractable ridicous position as if Obama would be more pro life than Romney. God have pity on you for I will not. My solace is that god will not either and you will spend eternity rotting in hell right next to Obama and jarret. You complete jerk.
I’m still amazed that Catholics in Oregon don’t hold voting parties. I think, even though I’ll only be a trustee by the next Presidential election, I’m going to make sure my Knights Council holds one the week the ballots come out.
I agree with Steve Gerow’s comment, but suggest the “Freedom Party” brand instead. With all that was at stake, any faction of the Republican Party that chose to stay home this time simply proved that they cannot be trusted or relied upon. So to hell with them.
Let’s adopt limited government, pro-freedom positions on social issues and immigration in order to draw the votes of those who favor hard work and fiscal responsibility, but don’t like the government telling them what to do when their actions do not infringe on the rights of others.
IMHO the GOP should rebrand itself as the Prosperity Party and leave the social conservative stuff behind. Stick to a better life for ordinary people and forget Abortion & Gay Marriage. Become more libertarian in other words. The Evangelicals will come along – where else are they going to go?
The Evangelicals will come along – where else are they going to go?
Foolish. Incredibly foolish. What makes you think Evangelicals have to show up at all? Without the ‘Evangelicals’, the Republican Party is the party one step above Ron Paul. Take a look at the map. The solid red states got even redder.
When a majority of the nation upon exiting the polls, tells the interview (56% of them) that a man that has failed in every capacity of economics, job creation, finance, and spending can manage the economy better than a man whose entire career is predicated on success and turnaround, game over.
Romney and Ryan were the best team in 28 years for the Republican Party. We can argue whether aggression would have won the day, but we are fooling ourselves if we think this vote could have stopped the bleeding.
Why don’t you admit what really ails us? The system is broken. The media and our courts corrupt. We are a majority nation of imbeciles. We have traded character and competency for cash and candy.
I am convinced the system must completely collapse to the point it is hand to mouth for the takers, no longer a war of words but a war of elimination. Let them feel the burn of their failures.
Then and only then, can we pick up the pieces and remake this country as it was intended to be.
I know many, here in Texas, that voted for Romney because he was the only choice, me included. I wasn’t a Mitt fan during the primaries, but I did grow to accept him as “our” candidate. So I voted for him. I knew plenty that couldn’t “hold their nose and vote”. I became somewhat enthusiastic to get him elected because, as my 12yr old reminded me, he was the only one that could stop the slide to Greece. It took my 12yr old to make me feel better. Got to love that kid.
Sorry you’re looking in the wrong direction. Romney’s wasn’t perfect but who is? It comes down to this – if you rob Peter to pay Paul you can count on the support of Paul. Obama has formed the Blue coalition like Meninio in Boston. Gov’t dependents and social liberals who feel they’re entitled to OPM. As the economy continues to stagnate/decline more will look to the gov’t for support. And culturally they’re not discouraged about that as a way of life.
First, the only people to blame are the “Republicans” who stayed home. So far as I’m concerned they betrayed their party, their “principles”, and their country. You go to war with the army you have, and you go to the polls and vote for the candidate you have. You could argue making a protest vote/nonvote if it wasn’t going to matter. But this is the basic survival of the country here. You didn’t vote? Screw you.
Second, I don’t think Mitt played “nice guy” because he wanted to be liked. I think he did it as an election strategy because if he gave the media anything to snipe at him about re: Our First Black President, they would crucify him, and that’s all you’d hear about. Mitt wanted to get his message out, as free from distractions as possible, and so didn’t go there. Does that mean he ran a perfect campaign? Of course not, perfection is not in this world. But he didn’t lose because of his campaign. He lost because of 1), above.
Third, I don’t get this recurring meme that moderate candidates are “forced on us” by the GOP establishment. Maybe I’m naive, but how do they do that? Candidates still have to decide to run. The vast majority of qualified, electable people won’t have anything to do with it. I note that virtually all our non-establishment candidates for several cycles have been nutballs one way or another – even when I liked them and supported them with donations, I still knew they could never win. This time I sent money to Perry, who surprised me by turning out to be a paper tiger, and then Cain, out of desperation but give me a break, and finally I gladly supported Romney. So who should we have gotten that wasn’t Romney?
I doubt we’ll ever get another candidate as good as Romney. I don’t mean a better human being, I mean a better candidate. The guy had NO dirt in his past. None. Who else in politics can you say that about? He had proven experience doing exactly what this country needs to get done: bridge the aisle and get a financial turnaround going.
But nope, wasn’t good enough, too many “Republicans” got their wittle feewings hurt and stayed home. So now we all suffer.
Well, the 52% anyways (100-47-1). We get to watch, and pay, while people get their crony contracts, or their gov’t jobs, or their Obama phones, and the country goes down the toilet. Nice job.
Amen DSmith — and the GENIUS strategy of being mad about abortion so not voting? Way to ensure the sanctity of the Roe decision giving Obama 1-4 SCOTUS picks. Morons. Women turned out in droves to vote against Mitt because of his overturn Roe comment that Obama turned into a hit piece of a commercial. A comment Mitt made in the primaries to get the abortion nuts to vote for him. Then they don’t bother to vote. TREASON comes to mind. When they get cancer and a beaurocrat panel tells them they are too old and don’t fit the cost benefit model we’re sorry, here’s some morphine. Bye bye. I hope they remember to look in the mirror and place blame where it belongs. I will personally find it poetic justice- except of course it will happen to millions of us who didn’t agree to lose our health care.
I think we wanted to win the war with as little collateral damage as possible in order to reunite the nation and turn the ship around. Many of us (myself included) believed that the electorate was so sick of sky high debts, regulation run amok, overreaching federal government, weakness in foreign policy, apologies, demonization of small business, Obamacare, War on Coal, and on and on and on, that they would not require the destruction of Obama to win.
I was wrong. We were wrong. We needed to “kill Obama” like they “killed Romney”. Very painful and expensive lesson learned.
I disagree>>The votes were not there, if you compare the 2008 turnout to 2012 “The McCain Palin ticket, they received a total of 59.9 million votes. 6.2 million of those voter’s stayed home and the Republican party lost the presidency and failed to gain in the Senate.
The Romney/Ryan ticket, facing a President with a dreadful economic record and no plan for recovery received a total of 53.7 million votes.
6.2 Million Vote’s less than the 2008 Republican ticket, why? Because the Romney Ryan ticket was not able to hold on to the voters that had come out for McCain/Palin in 2008, let alone increase on that vote total.
The Obama Biden ticket had 69.5 million votes in 2008 and 54.8 million votes in 2012, a loss of 14.7 million votes, and won.
The Romney/Ryan ticket didn’t lose the Republican Brand lost.
Until the Republican Party understands that the demographics have changed, the voters are younger and the Republican Party continues to embrace a party platform that is not acceptable to independent conservatives and libertarian leaning conservatives they will continue to loose. be ###
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Given the enthusiasm of the overflow RR rallies and the GOP volunteer turnout I saw in my deep blue (LA) area – much more enthusiasm than 2008, I wonder if the election wasn’t somehow stolen by a computer program that undercounted Repubs. It just doesn’t jibe to say less R’s showed up to vote.
And this is why the establishment GOP must be burned to the ground. We should be looking RIGHT NOW for BRAVE Conservatives to run in primaries against the weak kneed squishes we have in our party so we can start replacing them in 2014. I hope and pray that some brave Ohioan will rise up to challenge mewling surrender monkey cryin’ John Boehner at the very nearest primary election! He is but one of many, but the one who is most odious to me as he has been rolling over for bathhouse Barry all along and is continuing to do so. No more milquetoast!
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I stayed home this year. After so many years of the Republicans throwing sh*t-sandwiches at me, I said to hell with them. If you east coast moderate mushes can’t give me a solid conservative to vote for, you can join the WHIGS on the trash heap of history. I’ll die before I vote for another RINO, and it just may come to that. So be it.
F the RINO scum buckets. You jerks told people like me that we were irrelevant during the primary. I guess myself and 3 million fellow patriots proved your wrong eh?
NO CONSERVATIVE? NO VOTE!!! EVER! Let the country fall if that’s what it takes.
Da tech guy, Your dead right about Romney NOT riding through them. And as you said, he knew how alright, he didnt hesitate to ride right through conservative primary ranks…and they were not even demoralized. Until ridden over by our own side.
Can we admit it yet?. Establishment Republicans are sitting at the other end of the table from the Dems. Only at the local levels have I ever seen republicans actually cut budgets and and act conservative.
For how long now? twenty, twenty five or more years In Washington, its always bigger, more programs and more spending. Republican or Democrat. Always.
When in Az we passed 1070 the Washington Republicans mounted up alongside the Dems to charge at us. ” how dare they try to enforce the laws we wrote!”
Our current house Republican leadership wants to know what days they can mow Obama’s lawn and caddy for him.
Romney had the richest field of targets ever presented to a challenger, It boggles the mind. The bonus was Oboma giving his own October surprise in Bengahzi to himself. The Washington republicans were way way to quiet. Its not imcompetance or missed opertunities, its called professional curtesy.
Sorry I think we wouldve been bitterly dissapointed if Romney had won. I know it hurts bad, this fresh wound, this most recent election. But for me It pails compared to the absolute confusion and nausiousness, the pit i felt in my stomache, when our own judge ran us down from behind and rewrote Obama care and allowed it to stand!
I dont think I’m alone….No longer carrying clubs for establishment Republicans.
David
The loss can’t be entirely blamed on Romney or the campaign. They were not perfect but who is? No, the fundamental problem is so many people just don’t care enough about the country to know what’s going on and then show up and vote accordingly. In this election, both the objective facts and basic logic were on the Republican side. If Dancing with the Stars or Honey Boo Boo is more important to a majority of the eligible voting population, no amount of facts and reasoning is going to help. Are we there yet? I don’t know, but it looks an awful lot like we are.
Sure there were other problems. Was the media completely biased toward getting Obama elected? Of course. Did a lot of cheating go on in strategic areas of the country? Looks like it. Was the stimulus a naked attempt to buy votes? Yup. But if the people care about their own country enough to vote against the Donks in a landslide, (which should have happened given this economy and what they promise to do in the next term) none of that will matter. In fact, all those things would generate massive pushback – electoral and otherwise.
The disengaged will get the government they deserve, and I will not feel sorry for them when they do. Unfortunately those of us who do care will also be stuck with it.
When the primaries were in full swing evangelicals had their choice if 3 or 4 conservative candidates but they NEVER came around to supporting one of then and romney the moderate was able to fill the void and thats why conservative stayed at home ! They dont get their way the stay home and wont play ! Selfish hypocrites ! Thanjs a lot !
ORCA was a disaster locally. I was a Committeewoman working in a majority D county in Fl. The ORCA folks did no sort of coordination with the local party, botched the training and delivery of the program to volunteers, had them calling us wanting to know what was happening because the programs “director” was off line and unavailable to volunteers. We had to certify the ORCA people to local SOE a couple of hours before the deadline and had no time to check that all elements of submission were correct (which we did with our volunteers for pollwatching). In addition the Democrat SOE screwed us by saying that we could not request certification for all precincts, but had to specify particular ones, then let the Democrats certify all their people for ALL PRECINCTS. The more fools we, for believing what we were told.
Also all problems in our election day took place in the few R precincts there are in this county. Still waiting to see if all Absentee ballots were counted. Maybe there was not the undervote we thought there was.
Speaking of “two years ago…” back then I was pointing out just how stupid it would be for the conservative party to nominate someone from Massachusetts – home of McGovern’s die hard supporters and Michael Dukakis – as their candidate.
I think Mitt’s Massachusetts taint kept more Republican voters home than his Mormon religion.
P.S. It’s unseemly for a Catholic to complain that Mitt lacked political courage. Taken a look at your bishops lately?
Oh, and for all the “you go to war with the army you have” folks, who want to abandon the unborn and mimic the left in voting for the end of religion- well that’s exactly what kept many of us from voting for Romney.
If we don’t stop this nonsense about voting for the lesser evil, all we’re going to keep getting is evil.
Theodore Seeber — you can just get down off your high horse you jerk. People like you have RUINED the future of my born, here, living 2.5 year old. He is every bit as innocent as the unborn. And you have completely ruined his future for your one issue. God has his chosen people but this is His chosen nation and you have taken a hammer to it with your intractable ridicous position as if Obama would be more pro life than Romney. God have pity on you for I will not. My solace is that god will not either and you will spend eternity rotting in hell right next to Obama and jarret. You complete jerk.
I’m still amazed that Catholics in Oregon don’t hold voting parties. I think, even though I’ll only be a trustee by the next Presidential election, I’m going to make sure my Knights Council holds one the week the ballots come out.
They can’t find the votes of 8 million white guys who were voting for Romney.
That 8 million would make Rove and Morris and Barone right.
That’s what happened.
Welcome to Chicago.
PS Now Petraeus resigns over an “affair”.
Get used to it.
You can’t tell how many votes Romney got because there are millions still to be counted.
I agree with Steve Gerow’s comment, but suggest the “Freedom Party” brand instead. With all that was at stake, any faction of the Republican Party that chose to stay home this time simply proved that they cannot be trusted or relied upon. So to hell with them.
Let’s adopt limited government, pro-freedom positions on social issues and immigration in order to draw the votes of those who favor hard work and fiscal responsibility, but don’t like the government telling them what to do when their actions do not infringe on the rights of others.
IMHO the GOP should rebrand itself as the Prosperity Party and leave the social conservative stuff behind. Stick to a better life for ordinary people and forget Abortion & Gay Marriage. Become more libertarian in other words. The Evangelicals will come along – where else are they going to go?
They won’t go anywhere. They’ll just stay home.
Foolish. Incredibly foolish. What makes you think Evangelicals have to show up at all? Without the ‘Evangelicals’, the Republican Party is the party one step above Ron Paul. Take a look at the map. The solid red states got even redder.
When a majority of the nation upon exiting the polls, tells the interview (56% of them) that a man that has failed in every capacity of economics, job creation, finance, and spending can manage the economy better than a man whose entire career is predicated on success and turnaround, game over.
Romney and Ryan were the best team in 28 years for the Republican Party. We can argue whether aggression would have won the day, but we are fooling ourselves if we think this vote could have stopped the bleeding.
Why don’t you admit what really ails us? The system is broken. The media and our courts corrupt. We are a majority nation of imbeciles. We have traded character and competency for cash and candy.
I am convinced the system must completely collapse to the point it is hand to mouth for the takers, no longer a war of words but a war of elimination. Let them feel the burn of their failures.
Then and only then, can we pick up the pieces and remake this country as it was intended to be.
I know many, here in Texas, that voted for Romney because he was the only choice, me included. I wasn’t a Mitt fan during the primaries, but I did grow to accept him as “our” candidate. So I voted for him. I knew plenty that couldn’t “hold their nose and vote”. I became somewhat enthusiastic to get him elected because, as my 12yr old reminded me, he was the only one that could stop the slide to Greece. It took my 12yr old to make me feel better. Got to love that kid.
Meant to say, SLOW our slide to Greece, not stop. I never thought a NE moderate would stop it.
Sorry you’re looking in the wrong direction. Romney’s wasn’t perfect but who is? It comes down to this – if you rob Peter to pay Paul you can count on the support of Paul. Obama has formed the Blue coalition like Meninio in Boston. Gov’t dependents and social liberals who feel they’re entitled to OPM. As the economy continues to stagnate/decline more will look to the gov’t for support. And culturally they’re not discouraged about that as a way of life.
What we wanted was the Mitt in the primaries.
What we got was McCain v2.0.
Sorry, I’m not buying it.
First, the only people to blame are the “Republicans” who stayed home. So far as I’m concerned they betrayed their party, their “principles”, and their country. You go to war with the army you have, and you go to the polls and vote for the candidate you have. You could argue making a protest vote/nonvote if it wasn’t going to matter. But this is the basic survival of the country here. You didn’t vote? Screw you.
Second, I don’t think Mitt played “nice guy” because he wanted to be liked. I think he did it as an election strategy because if he gave the media anything to snipe at him about re: Our First Black President, they would crucify him, and that’s all you’d hear about. Mitt wanted to get his message out, as free from distractions as possible, and so didn’t go there. Does that mean he ran a perfect campaign? Of course not, perfection is not in this world. But he didn’t lose because of his campaign. He lost because of 1), above.
Third, I don’t get this recurring meme that moderate candidates are “forced on us” by the GOP establishment. Maybe I’m naive, but how do they do that? Candidates still have to decide to run. The vast majority of qualified, electable people won’t have anything to do with it. I note that virtually all our non-establishment candidates for several cycles have been nutballs one way or another – even when I liked them and supported them with donations, I still knew they could never win. This time I sent money to Perry, who surprised me by turning out to be a paper tiger, and then Cain, out of desperation but give me a break, and finally I gladly supported Romney. So who should we have gotten that wasn’t Romney?
I doubt we’ll ever get another candidate as good as Romney. I don’t mean a better human being, I mean a better candidate. The guy had NO dirt in his past. None. Who else in politics can you say that about? He had proven experience doing exactly what this country needs to get done: bridge the aisle and get a financial turnaround going.
But nope, wasn’t good enough, too many “Republicans” got their wittle feewings hurt and stayed home. So now we all suffer.
Well, the 52% anyways (100-47-1). We get to watch, and pay, while people get their crony contracts, or their gov’t jobs, or their Obama phones, and the country goes down the toilet. Nice job.
Amen DSmith — and the GENIUS strategy of being mad about abortion so not voting? Way to ensure the sanctity of the Roe decision giving Obama 1-4 SCOTUS picks. Morons. Women turned out in droves to vote against Mitt because of his overturn Roe comment that Obama turned into a hit piece of a commercial. A comment Mitt made in the primaries to get the abortion nuts to vote for him. Then they don’t bother to vote. TREASON comes to mind. When they get cancer and a beaurocrat panel tells them they are too old and don’t fit the cost benefit model we’re sorry, here’s some morphine. Bye bye. I hope they remember to look in the mirror and place blame where it belongs. I will personally find it poetic justice- except of course it will happen to millions of us who didn’t agree to lose our health care.
I think we wanted to win the war with as little collateral damage as possible in order to reunite the nation and turn the ship around. Many of us (myself included) believed that the electorate was so sick of sky high debts, regulation run amok, overreaching federal government, weakness in foreign policy, apologies, demonization of small business, Obamacare, War on Coal, and on and on and on, that they would not require the destruction of Obama to win.
I was wrong. We were wrong. We needed to “kill Obama” like they “killed Romney”. Very painful and expensive lesson learned.
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I disagree>>The votes were not there, if you compare the 2008 turnout to 2012 “The McCain Palin ticket, they received a total of 59.9 million votes. 6.2 million of those voter’s stayed home and the Republican party lost the presidency and failed to gain in the Senate.
The Romney/Ryan ticket, facing a President with a dreadful economic record and no plan for recovery received a total of 53.7 million votes.
6.2 Million Vote’s less than the 2008 Republican ticket, why? Because the Romney Ryan ticket was not able to hold on to the voters that had come out for McCain/Palin in 2008, let alone increase on that vote total.
The Obama Biden ticket had 69.5 million votes in 2008 and 54.8 million votes in 2012, a loss of 14.7 million votes, and won.
The Romney/Ryan ticket didn’t lose the Republican Brand lost.
Until the Republican Party understands that the demographics have changed, the voters are younger and the Republican Party continues to embrace a party platform that is not acceptable to independent conservatives and libertarian leaning conservatives they will continue to loose. be ###
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Election fraud played a HUGE part in this, and Romney didn’t do anything about it.
Given the enthusiasm of the overflow RR rallies and the GOP volunteer turnout I saw in my deep blue (LA) area – much more enthusiasm than 2008, I wonder if the election wasn’t somehow stolen by a computer program that undercounted Repubs. It just doesn’t jibe to say less R’s showed up to vote.
And this is why the establishment GOP must be burned to the ground. We should be looking RIGHT NOW for BRAVE Conservatives to run in primaries against the weak kneed squishes we have in our party so we can start replacing them in 2014. I hope and pray that some brave Ohioan will rise up to challenge mewling surrender monkey cryin’ John Boehner at the very nearest primary election! He is but one of many, but the one who is most odious to me as he has been rolling over for bathhouse Barry all along and is continuing to do so. No more milquetoast!