Meanwhile in Barrington NH… UPDATE MEA CULPA

by Datechguy | November 19th, 2012

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Meanwhile in Barrington NH... UPDATE MEA CULPA

While we pon­der the ques­tions the left isn’t ask­ing about the reac­tion to Oper­a­tion Pil­lar of Defense Gran­ite Grok is still there and keep­ing an eye on some ques­tions that have yet to be answered about the late elec­tion, first the stats:

First, in a town with 5000 plus vot­ers there were 630 new reg­is­tra­tions for this year’s election.

The law give NH cit­i­zens the abil­ity to see pub­lic documents

New Hamp­shire State law (91-​a) allows the cit­i­zen to review, exam­ine, or inspect, any pub­lic doc­u­ment that is avail­able. They can even take pic­tures of it, or make their own copies or abstracts as long as the document(s) are on site and it occurs dur­ing reg­u­lar busi­ness hours.

Gran­ite Grok how­ever reports that there was a slight issue when a cit­i­zen wanted to see the form con­cern­ing these 630 new registrations…

These 630 new vot­ers piqued the inter­est of a Bar­ring­ton res­i­dent, who decided that they wanted to get a copy of this pub­lic record, but when they asked the Town clerk said it would cost him $300.00.

The Grok folks have some ques­tions about this, but want­ing to be fair to all con­cerned I called the Town Clerk’s office myself. I spoke to a very nice lady who asked me if I could sub­mit those ques­tions via an e-​mail to make it eas­ier. So I did, pro­vid­ing a link to the Grok arti­cle quoted above with the fol­low­ing questions:

Per said arti­cle I have the fol­low­ing questions

1. Is the record of the voter rolls in Bar­ring­ton avail­able to be viewed by the public

2. Is there a sep­a­rate record of new reg­is­trants and/​or same day reg­is­trants available?

3. Did a per­son come in to obtain said records?

4. If so was said per­son told it would be $300 for said records?
4a. If there is such a fee, is that set by the city or state? Is it a stan­dard fee for records?

5. The GROK arti­cle states that such pub­lic records are avail­able under state law say­ing the following:

New Hamp­shire State law (91-​a) allows the cit­i­zen to review, exam­ine, or inspect, any pub­lic doc­u­ment that is avail­able. They can even take pic­tures of it, or make their own copies or abstracts as long as the document(s) are on site and it occurs dur­ing reg­u­lar busi­ness hours.
5a Is this cor­rect and if so can said per­son make their own copies with­out charge?

6. Will said records be avail­able elec­tron­i­cally (in PDF for­mat etc) and avail­able either to the pub­lic on request or on the Bar­ring­ton site eventually?

7. If I came down to see said records would they be avail­able for viewing?

Any help in answer­ing these ques­tion would be appreciated

Thank you.

That was on Wednes­day Novem­ber 14th when I first wrote this post but held back post­ing await­ing a reply and while I’m sure Bar­ring­ton NH can be a busy place I think five days is plenty of time for it to come.

By an odd coin­ci­dence while I haven’t received a reply the day after I sent that request Gran­ite Grok’s per­son went back to the town hall and was told the following:

Our intre­pid check­list war­rior went back to the clerk armed with 91-​a and was informed that they didn’t actu­ally have the list pre­pared yet. He was told that it would be a few weeks but that they would give him an elec­tronic copy of the new list when it was com­plete. Skip has encour­aged him to go back and ask for the exist­ing list, which they used for elec­tion day, and which we now know is avail­able in elec­tronic form. For free, apparently.

Amaz­ing how things change after an e-​mail from a guy with 50,000 watts behind him isn’t it?

Maybe it’s just me but if you mul­ti­ply this ques­tion by small town after small town in NH and you get a mar­gin of vic­tory that doesn’t show up in polls.

That’s appar­ently a ques­tion our friends on the left aren’t ask­ing, but we will.

Update: Appar­ently Bar­ring­ton replied to my ques­tions promptly but due to an e-​mail glitch I missed their e-​mails (along with 7 weeks of them from a par­tic­u­lar account) until Decem­ber 29th.

My apol­ogy post is here, and the e-​mail responses from Bar­ring­ton fol­low below:

Dear Peter “DaT­e­chGuy” Ingemi,

My answers are listed below:

1. Is the record of the voter rolls in Bar­ring­ton avail­able to be viewed by the pub­lic YES

2. Is there a sep­a­rate record of new reg­is­trants and/​or same day reg­is­trants avail­able? NO, PER Sec­re­tary of States Office

3. Did a per­son come in to obtain said records? YES

4. If so was said per­son told it would be $300 for said records?NO, the fee would be actu­ally be $379 which is the rate for the cur­rent MARKED CHECK­LIST, which is based on our cur­rent pho­to­copy fee per page, which is $1/​page.

4a. If there is such a fee, is that set by the city or state? Is it a stan­dard fee for records? For a marked checklist

the fee is what the Town or City charges for a copy.

5. The GROK arti­cle states that such pub­lic records are avail­able under state law say­ing the following:

New Hamp­shire State law (91-​a) allows the cit­i­zen to review, exam­ine, or inspect, any pub­lic doc­u­ment that is avail­able. They can even take pic­tures of it, or make their own copies or abstracts as long as the document(s) are on site and it occurs dur­ing reg­u­lar busi­ness hours.

5a Is this cor­rect and if so can said per­son make their own copies with­out charge? A per­son may view and takes notes on the marked check­list, but NO there will be no copies made with­out a charge, PER NH STATE LAW (91-a;IV)

If a pho­to­copy­ing machine or other device main­tained for use by a body or agency is used by the body or agency to copy the pub­lic record or doc­u­ment requested, the per­son request­ing the copy may be charged the actual cost of pro­vid­ing the copy, which cost may be col­lected by the body or agency.”

6. Will said records be avail­able elec­tron­i­cally (in PDF for­mat etc) and avail­able either to the pub­lic on request or on the Bar­ring­ton site even­tu­ally? An elec­tronic copy will be avail­able upon request after the Super­vi­sors of the Check­list have entered and scanned the check­list and new vot­ers into the statewide data­base for a fee of $26.50.

7. If I came down to see said records would they be avail­able for view­ing? YES

I have answered all your ques­tions to the best of my abil­ity, if you have any fur­ther ques­tions please

feel free to con­tact the New Hamp­shire Sec­re­tary of State at 2713242.

Kim­berly Kerekes

While we ponder the questions the left isn’t asking about the reaction to Operation Pillar of Defense Granite Grok is still there and keeping an eye on some questions that have yet to be answered about the late election, first the stats:

First, in a town with 5000 plus voters there were 630 new registrations for this year’s election.

The law give NH citizens the ability to see public documents

New Hampshire State law (91-a) allows the citizen to review, examine, or inspect, any public document that is available. They can even take pictures of it, or make their own copies or abstracts as long as the document(s) are on site and it occurs during regular business hours.

Granite Grok however reports that there was a slight issue when a citizen wanted to see the form concerning these 630 new registrations…

These 630 new voters piqued the interest of a Barrington resident, who decided that they wanted to get a copy of this public record, but when they asked the Town clerk said it would cost him $300.00.

The Grok folks have some questions about this, but wanting to be fair to all concerned I called the Town Clerk’s office myself. I spoke to a very nice lady who asked me if I could submit those questions via an e-mail to make it easier. So I did, providing a link to the Grok article quoted above with the following questions:

Per said article I have the following questions

1. Is the record of the voter rolls in Barrington available to be viewed by the public

2. Is there a separate record of new registrants and/or same day registrants available?

3. Did a person come in to obtain said records?

4. If so was said person told it would be $300 for said records?
4a. If there is such a fee, is that set by the city or state? Is it a standard fee for records?

5. The GROK article states that such public records are available under state law saying the following:

New Hampshire State law (91-a) allows the citizen to review, examine, or inspect, any public document that is available. They can even take pictures of it, or make their own copies or abstracts as long as the document(s) are on site and it occurs during regular business hours.
5a Is this correct and if so can said person make their own copies without charge?

6. Will said records be available electronically (in PDF format etc) and available either to the public on request or on the Barrington site eventually?

7. If I came down to see said records would they be available for viewing?

Any help in answering these question would be appreciated

Thank you.

That was on Wednesday November 14th when I first wrote this post but held back posting awaiting a reply and while I’m sure Barrington NH can be a busy place I think five days is plenty of time for it to come.

By an odd coincidence while I haven’t received a reply the day after I sent that request Granite Grok’s person went back to the town hall and was told the following:

Our intrepid checklist warrior went back to the clerk armed with 91-a and was informed that they didn’t actually have the list prepared yet. He was told that it would be a few weeks but that they would give him an electronic copy of the new list when it was complete. Skip has encouraged him to go back and ask for the existing list, which they used for election day, and which we now know is available in electronic form. For free, apparently.

Amazing how things change after an e-mail from a guy with 50,000 watts behind him isn’t it?

Maybe it’s just me but if you multiply this question by small town after small town in NH and you get a margin of victory that doesn’t show up in polls.

That’s apparently a question our friends on the left aren’t asking, but we will.

Update: Apparently Barrington replied to my questions promptly but due to an e-mail glitch I missed their e-mails (along with 7 weeks of them from a particular account) until December 29th.

My apology post is here, and the e-mail responses from Barrington follow below:

Dear Peter “DaTechGuy” Ingemi,

My answers are listed below:

1. Is the record of the voter rolls in Barrington available to be viewed by the public YES

2. Is there a separate record of new registrants and/or same day registrants available? NO, PER Secretary of States Office

3. Did a person come in to obtain said records? YES

4. If so was said person told it would be $300 for said records?NO, the fee would be actually be $379 which is the rate for the current MARKED CHECKLIST, which is based on our current photocopy fee per page, which is $1/page.

4a. If there is such a fee, is that set by the city or state? Is it a standard fee for records? For a marked checklist

the fee is what the Town or City charges for a copy.

5. The GROK article states that such public records are available under state law saying the following:

New Hampshire State law (91-a) allows the citizen to review, examine, or inspect, any public document that is available. They can even take pictures of it, or make their own copies or abstracts as long as the document(s) are on site and it occurs during regular business hours.

5a Is this correct and if so can said person make their own copies without charge? A person may view and takes notes on the marked checklist, but NO there will be no copies made without a charge, PER NH STATE LAW (91-a;IV)

“If a photocopying machine or other device maintained for use by a body or agency is used by the body or agency to copy the public record or document requested, the person requesting the copy may be charged the actual cost of providing the copy, which cost may be collected by the body or agency.”

6. Will said records be available electronically (in PDF format etc) and available either to the public on request or on the Barrington site eventually? An electronic copy will be available upon request after the Supervisors of the Checklist have entered and scanned the checklist and new voters into the statewide database for a fee of $26.50.

7. If I came down to see said records would they be available for viewing? YES

I have answered all your questions to the best of my ability, if you have any further questions please

feel free to contact the New Hampshire Secretary of State at 271-3242.

Kimberly Kerekes

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