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Gandalf: Always remember, Frodo, the Ring is trying to get back to its master. It wants to be found.
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2001
George H.W. Bush did that. He was hailed as a conciliator for a day, then savaged brutally by the same press until he lost the 1992 election.
Glenn Reynolds 2012
Shortly after their (deserved) victory lap in an election they had no business winning the media began reporting on upcoming “fiscal cliff”
The press is all full of the need for a deal to be made because of the disastrous consequences that will come on Jan 1st. They also urge the GOP to be “bi-partisan” in agreeing to such a deal.
While a large amount of the uninformed public might be nodding their heads in agreement to anyone who pays attention and has access to any media that existed last year, this might be slightly confusing. Let’s elaborate
The Deal known as the Budget Control Act of 2011 passed the House with 269 votes out of 433 members available to vote that’s 62%. On the Democrat side 49.4% voted for and 49.4% voted against (the remaining 1.2% didn’t vote) On the Republican side 72% voted for and voted for and 27.3% voted against. On the House side it took tough negotiation and no little amount of arm twisting to win over enough conservative members of the GOP to score the 72% that voted for it, some Tea Party types like Allen West and Renne Ellmers took a lot of heat for voting for the deal while other notable Tea Party favorites like Ann Marie Buerkle of NY, Ron Paul of Texas and Michelle Bachmann of Minnesota defied the leadership of the speaker to get stronger cuts and were hit hard for it.
In the senate the vote was 74 – 26 With less pressure from the GOP to get everyone on board more conservative republicans were free to vote against a deal that didn’t have the cuts they wanted. The 19 Republicans who voted against read like a Who’s Who of the conservative movement in the Senate: Sessions & Shelby from Alabama, Rubio from Florida, Chambliss from Georgia, Coats of Indiana and Grassley of Iowa, from Kansas Moran & Roberts, Paul from Kentucky, Ayotte of New Hampshire, Coburn & Inhofe Of Oklahoma , Toomey of Pennsylvania, Demint & Graham of South Carolina , Hatch & Lee of Utah. As the New York Times said at the time:
It is also the reason that many conservative Republicans refused to vote for the agreement, calling it a grossly inadequate answer to a pressing problem.
“The current deal to raise the debt ceiling doesn’t stop us from going over the fiscal cliff,” Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, wrote Monday in an open letter explaining his opposition. “At best, it slows us from going over it at 80 m.p.h. to going over it at 60 m.p.h..”
But in the end, objections of Tea Party stalwarts not withstanding a bi-partisan bill gathering 88% of Democrats in the Senate and 49.4 in the house (50% of those who voted) along with 59.6% of Senate and 72% of House Republicans was sent to the president’s desk where it was signed.
President Obama said the following:
“It’s an important first step to ensuring that as a nation we live within our means, yet it also allows us to keep making key investments in things like education and research that lead to new jobs and assures that we’re not cutting too abruptly while the economy’s still fragile,” Obama said in a statement from the White House Rose Garden before signing the bill.
Harry Reid Said the following:
“There’s one winner throughout all of this and that’s the American people,”
And Tim Geithner had this to say:
“You’re going to see this basic underlying growth we’ve see in the United States improve over time because people will be more confident we can live within our means,” he said. “With more confidence we can get our arms around this long term. We will have more room to do the things we need to strengthen investment jobs now.”
So my question to the media is this: Harry Reid celebrated this agreement, Tim Geithner likes it, Nancy Pelosi voted for it and The President signed it. Yet now this deal is responsible for a fiscal cliff that is apparently a disaster for all America.
And moreover, the MSM is laying the blame for said potential “disaster” squarely at the feet of the same GOP who the very same media urged to make the in 2011.
Even more amazing this very same media is telling the very same GOP to make another deal, or ELSE face the consequences.
So to summarize:
Last year The Budget Control Act of 2011 was a bi-partisan success that Nancy Pelosi found voteworthy and Harry Reid, Tim Geithner and President Obama could rightly take credit for to media cheers
This Year that same deal is the cause of a fiscal cliff and if the GOP doesn’t do something to stop it they will be responsible for unless they give President Obama what he wants.
People might ask why a GOP that retained the house by a wide margin should have to make a deal, I think the better question is why is a deal that a mere 16th months ago was so worthy of votes and praise no longer is.
I think when the press asks GOP members to make such a deal they should remind them of bi-partisan nature of the existing law that drew their praise and ask why they are suggesting it is so horrible now?
As Glenn Reynolds linked and Dan Mitchell said: This is an IQ test for the GOP. I hope they pass.
Update: Let me take advantage of this Instalanche to announce the following: Due to a family emergency “Under the Fedora” will not appear this week and posting will be light the rest of today. My subscription video commentary this week titled: Ralph Kiner and Sequestration will still go up this afternoon as well as the Teaser for non-subscribers.
Also due to said emergency there may be a delay of up to 24 hours before new subscribers and tip jar hitters get the passcode for the post containing the full version of the commentary.
Gandalf: Always remember, Frodo, the Ring is trying to get back to its master. It wants to be found.
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2001
George H.W. Bush did that. He was hailed as a conciliator for a day, then savaged brutally by the same press until he lost the 1992 election.
Glenn Reynolds 2012
Shortly after their (deserved) victory lap in an election they had no business winning the media began reporting on upcoming “fiscal cliff”
The press is all full of the need for a deal to be made because of the disastrous consequences that will come on Jan 1st. They also urge the GOP to be “bi-partisan” in agreeing to such a deal.
While a large amount of the uninformed public might be nodding their heads in agreement to anyone who pays attention and has access to any media that existed last year, this might be slightly confusing. Let’s elaborate
The Deal known as the Budget Control Act of 2011 passed the House with 269 votes out of 433 members available to vote that’s 62%. On the Democrat side 49.4% voted for and 49.4% voted against (the remaining 1.2% didn’t vote) On the Republican side 72% voted for and voted for and 27.3% voted against. On the House side it took tough negotiation and no little amount of arm twisting to win over enough conservative members of the GOP to score the 72% that voted for it, some Tea Party types like Allen West and Renne Ellmers took a lot of heat for voting for the deal while other notable Tea Party favorites like Ann Marie Buerkle of NY, Ron Paul of Texas and Michelle Bachmann of Minnesota defied the leadership of the speaker to get stronger cuts and were hit hard for it.
In the senate the vote was 74-26 With less pressure from the GOP to get everyone on board more conservative republicans were free to vote against a deal that didn’t have the cuts they wanted. The 19 Republicans who voted against read like a Who’s Who of the conservative movement in the Senate: Sessions & Shelby from Alabama, Rubio from Florida, Chambliss from Georgia, Coats of Indiana and Grassley of Iowa, from Kansas Moran & Roberts, Paul from Kentucky, Ayotte of New Hampshire, Coburn & Inhofe Of Oklahoma , Toomey of Pennsylvania, Demint & Graham of South Carolina , Hatch & Lee of Utah. As the New York Times said at the time:
It is also the reason that many conservative Republicans refused to vote for the agreement, calling it a grossly inadequate answer to a pressing problem.
“The current deal to raise the debt ceiling doesn’t stop us from going over the fiscal cliff,” Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, wrote Monday in an open letter explaining his opposition. “At best, it slows us from going over it at 80 m.p.h. to going over it at 60 m.p.h..”
But in the end, objections of Tea Party stalwarts not withstanding a bi-partisan bill gathering 88% of Democrats in the Senate and 49.4 in the house (50% of those who voted) along with 59.6% of Senate and 72% of House Republicans was sent to the president’s desk where it was signed.
President Obama said the following:
“It’s an important first step to ensuring that as a nation we live within our means, yet it also allows us to keep making key investments in things like education and research that lead to new jobs and assures that we’re not cutting too abruptly while the economy’s still fragile,” Obama said in a statement from the White House Rose Garden before signing the bill.
Harry Reid Said the following:
“There’s one winner throughout all of this and that’s the American people,”
And Tim Geithner had this to say:
“You’re going to see this basic underlying growth we’ve see in the United States improve over time because people will be more confident we can live within our means,” he said. “With more confidence we can get our arms around this long term. We will have more room to do the things we need to strengthen investment jobs now.”
So my question to the media is this: Harry Reid celebrated this agreement, Tim Geithner likes it, Nancy Pelosi voted for it and The President signed it. Yet now this deal is responsible for a fiscal cliff that is apparently a disaster for all America.
And moreover, the MSM is laying the blame for said potential “disaster” squarely at the feet of the same GOP who the very same media urged to make the in 2011.
Even more amazing this very same media is telling the very same GOP to make another deal, or ELSE face the consequences.
So to summarize:
Last year The Budget Control Act of 2011 was a bi-partisan success that Nancy Pelosi found voteworthy and Harry Reid, Tim Geithner and President Obama could rightly take credit for to media cheers
This Year that same deal is the cause of a fiscal cliff and if the GOP doesn’t do something to stop it they will be responsible for unless they give President Obama what he wants.
People might ask why a GOP that retained the house by a wide margin should have to make a deal, I think the better question is why is a deal that a mere 16th months ago was so worthy of votes and praise no longer is.
I think when the press asks GOP members to make such a deal they should remind them of bi-partisan nature of the existing law that drew their praise and ask why they are suggesting it is so horrible now?
As Glenn Reynolds linked and Dan Mitchell said: This is an IQ test for the GOP. I hope they pass.
Update: Let me take advantage of this Instalanche to announce the following: Due to a family emergency “Under the Fedora” will not appear this week and posting will be light the rest of today. My subscription video commentary this week titled: Ralph Kiner and Sequestration will still go up this afternoon as well as the Teaser for non-subscribers.
Also due to said emergency there may be a delay of up to 24 hours before new subscribers and tip jar hitters get the passcode for the post containing the full version of the commentary.
Pete, I’m noticing the same thing with Firefox 16. It’s been doing it since last week actually.
I’ve been told this has been going on for a while
I’m wondering if it is related to my server migration
I hope to have an answer soon, code tweaking hasn’t
done the trick.
Peter, the comments getting cut off has something to do with wordpress or the plugin that you use for your comments system. I have seen it at other blogs that use this system for comments as well. It isn’t just happening here.
Most People have A.D.D.and aren’t paying attention, the MSM has
been bought and owned by the globalists, so time and time again SOS.
Its sicking it need to stop the leaders should be jailed for
robbery an theft and sedition but most dont give a damn so they
get away with it. Now they are out of control and when the fit
hits the shan it will be horrible
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Sequestration has been a looming national disaster from the moment it was penned. I have no clue what the conservatives were thinking when they agreed to it. This is the law of the land unless a new law is passed.
If the additional defense budget cuts the “fiscal cliff” requires do indeed go into affect, the result will certainly be fundamental change to our National Security Strategy in ways we have not seen since before WWI (not a typo – I mean “one”). We aren’t talking about reducing a few tanks and planes. This will mean the elimination of entire aircraft carrier task forces, significant further reduction of brigade combat teams beyond what is already approved, “destruction” of numerous air wings, etc. The immediate affect will be an armed forces that are smaller than at any time before 1940, including a Navy incapable of securing the global commons.
We will go by the way of Great Britain, relinquishing forever our ability to influence global political discourse in any significant way, opening the void for someone else to fill.
Gee — I wonder who that will be? There is a reason India and Australia are building war ships as fast as they can make them – they comprehend our chosen path and know the Goliath in their hemisphere; we cannot be counted upon to protect them.
I stand by my prediction to my family on election night. ** I cannot express how sincerely I hope I am wrong** Sequestration will happen because too many leaders want it to. Bread and circuses.
Great post, Pete! (PS — I hope the “emergency” is nothing major. Prayers to you and your family.)
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Dear da *Tech* guy,
It’s a nice blog, Very nice. I can read the article. Cannot see all comment text with Chrome, the ads overlay the rightmost text. Doesn’t rescale (Ctrl+/ Ctrl-) properly.
The article is the cake, the comments are the frosting … who wants cake without that nice frosting when there are so many other cakes – with frosting – on the menu
Hmmm thanks for the heads up, after family emergency will check on it
More sterile complaining. Are you still whining about the “media”? – and why don’t you call these toadies of the power-worshiping lewinsky press what they really are: lickspittle suck-ups and liars.
Ah, but the game, the game. BS. The repubes are either deeply, deeply stupid, or are themselves frauds.
Call Obama’s bluff. Republicans should vote Present, let the Democrats negotiate with themselves and make it clear that Obama and the Democrats own this. I don’t think anything they’ll come up with will avoid a recession. Then the Republicans in Congress immediately introduce a series of laws to raise taxes on the wealthy in a way that disproportionately impact wealthy Democrats. Start with eliminating the mortgage interest deduction on homes worth more than $250,000. That would affect California, New York, Illinois and Massachusetts, all blue states with high property values. Next we eliminate the federal deduction on state and local income taxes, which tend to be higher in blue states and Democratic dominated cities. Tax the investment income of university endowments and foundations, those tilt left as well. Tax trust funds – conservatives are more likely to make wealth, not inherit it. Restore the 20% tax on movie gross revenues that we had following WWII to pay down that debt, only extend it to all entertainment like music and video downloads, concerts, CDs and DVDs. Institute a 33% tax on trial lawyers’ contingency fees (lawyers like that 33% figure). Sell them all as soaking the rich.
Frankly I think we should let the Democrats drive the country’s economy over the cliff. It appears that the only way to convince Americans that the Democrats will harm the country is to let them.
The view from the mainstream media: Obama say that sequestration wouldn’t happen in one of the debates. So he’s done his part. The rest is all the fault of the Republicans.
Excellant perspective. Any settlement should require that the time frame used in disscusion be limited to 18-24 months. The time year time frame currently used always allows results to come due on some one elses shift
Republicans won’t pass this test. But people keep getting suckered into supporting the Dem-lite party time and again. If the people who really want us to live within our means as a nation are serious, they’ll vote Libertarian and let the GOP know why they voted that way.
Does anyone really believe that a President-elect Romney would be any different in this situation? I don’t. Taxes will go up, the connected and powerful will thrive, the middle-class will suffer, and the lower classes will be told it’s the Republicans fault for not raising taxes higher….
Yet WE ALL KNOW they wont.They will cave like a cheap suit and claim it “HAD TO BE DONE” for the good of the country,the part around DC that is. ASS_OLES!
Those who praised the sequestration provisions did so assuming they would never be implemented. Democrats praised the increase in the debt cap because it allowed them to keep borrowing and spending. There is no mileage to be gotten by waving the 2011 agreement as a bloody shirt.
On the other hand, the Democrats and media (redundant, I know) have spent eleven years telling us how awful the Bush tax cuts were. Okay, so letting them expire must be a good thing, right? Since they were only ‘tax cuts for the rich?’
A lot of us non-important Republicans were pissed when the GOP rolled over and made that stupid deal, but everything the Democrats do is ALWAYS the fault of the Republicans, that’s just the way it is now. Every catastrophe created by the left will always be blamed on the right, and somehow it is surely all still Bush’s fault. This IS the fault of the Republicans but not for the reason’s the left would have everyone believe; it is the fault of the Republicans for caving in the first place, and that is why mewling surrender monkey John Boehner and his spineless ilk must be removed at the nearest Republican primary election.
When insanity is not just a way of life, but a lifestyle that you force others to adopt, it shouldn’t be surprising to see both the asylum and town go up in flames.
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