Hal Chase in 1918: Walker v Kimberlin dismissed

by Datechguy | December 4th, 2012

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Hal Chase in 1918: Walker v Kimberlin dismissed

There are no details yet, but the Walker v Kim­ber­lin case has been dis­missed.

Back in June I wrote about how Kim­ber­lin resem­bled the story Hal Chase who when finally brought before author­i­ties con­cern­ing his rep­u­ta­tion for throw­ing games thanks to his man­ager Christy Math­ew­son. The result:

Lucky for Chase by the time he came to trial before league WW 1 took Math­ew­son to France. With­out Math­ew­son whose live tes­ti­mony would have likely doomed him Chase was able to suc­cess­fully accuse play­ers who tes­ti­fied in sup­port of the charges of being part of a clique against him (sound famil­iar?) lied directly about past claims (sound famil­iar again?) and some­how man­aged to talk his way into acquit­tal. As Bill James put it on page 332 of his book:

He was free, then. It had all be brought out into the open, and he had got­ten by with it. This seems to have had a lib­er­at­ing effect on Chase’s activities”

The rest is as they say history,

I wasn’t in the court room, I don’t know how or why the judge did what he did, but the end result will cer­tainly encour­age Kim­ber­lin & co to sol­dier on with even more impunity.

Even­tu­ally Chase was banned after his involve­ment in fix­ing the 1919 World Series. Appar­ently it will take some­thing much worse than what has already hap­pened for the law to scream: enough!

It’s not going to be pretty.

Update: Stacy McCain promises updates, but the big story is not so much the details but the embold­en­ing of some very bad characters.

Update 2: I’d like to thank the Ray Kroc Memo­r­ial Media Cen­ter for giv­ing Stacy and Hoeg­wash the abil­ity to update us in a timely manner.

Update 3 Stacy notes two impor­tant things we see:

It’s actu­ally worse than that: It’s not just bad char­ac­ters, but bad behav­ior that have been embold­ened. Why shouldn’t every­one with a grudge resort to the meth­ods Kim­ber­lin & Co. employed against Walker?

The tar­get­ing of polit­i­cal blog­gers, the cyber­stalk­ing and harass­ment, are now all now accept­able tac­tics for which there is evi­dently no legal dis­course. Thanks, Judge Potter.

And Dan Backer notes the following

The prece­dent set here is just ter­ri­ble,” Backer said, talk­ing about how Judge Pot­ter ignored Kimberlin’s vio­la­tion of court orders to seal the dis­cov­ery mate­ri­als. “Why should any­one com­ply with discovery?”

Walker is penal­ized for obey­ing the Judges rul­ings while Kim­ber­lin is rewarded for flout­ing them, sounds like the left on gun control.

As Glenn Reynolds says you get more of behav­ior you reward, more is coming.

Update 3: Hogewash has a long post, two bits of it:

6. Now that I’ve had a chance to size up Stacy McCain, I’d like to echo the warn­ing that Glen Reynolds made about not try­ing to out-​crazy Mr. McCain. Team Kim­ber­lin should not expect to be able to divert him from relent­lessly blog­ging about their mischief.

Stacy with a story is like a dog with a bone and this is Stacy’s story. He’s not going to let it go, as for Mr. Hoge

7. Sim­i­larly, they should not expect Hogewash! to let go either. While I con­sider myself sim­ply to be pig­headed, I have been described as hav­ing weapons-​grade per­sis­tence. I have turned the Vast Hogewash Research Orga­ni­za­tion loose on Team Kim­ber­lin. The data is rolling in, and, as it becomes use­ful in bring­ing the truth to light, it will be pub­lished. You can also expect that I won’t tell every­thing as soon as I know it. Some­things need to wait until the time is ripe.

I still don’t think this will end well for Kim­ber­lin & Com­pany but regard­less one can’t for­get they have a win in the bank right now and will act accordingly.

Update 4: More from Stacy.

There are no details yet, but the Walker v Kimberlin case has been dismissed.

Back in June I wrote about how Kimberlin resembled the story Hal Chase who when finally brought before authorities concerning his reputation for throwing games thanks to his manager Christy Mathewson. The result:

Lucky for Chase by the time he came to trial before league WW 1 took Mathewson to France. Without Mathewson whose live testimony would have likely doomed him Chase was able to successfully accuse players who testified in support of the charges of being part of a clique against him (sound familiar?) lied directly about past claims (sound familiar again?) and somehow managed to talk his way into acquittal. As Bill James put it on page 332 of his book:

“He was free, then. It had all be brought out into the open, and he had gotten by with it. This seems to have had a liberating effect on Chase’s activities”

The rest is as they say history,

I wasn’t in the court room, I don’t know how or why the judge did what he did, but the end result will certainly encourage Kimberlin & co to soldier on with even more impunity.

Eventually Chase was banned after his involvement in fixing the 1919 World Series. Apparently it will take something much worse than what has already happened for the law to scream: enough!

It’s not going to be pretty.

Update: Stacy McCain promises updates, but the big story is not so much the details but the emboldening of some very bad characters.

Update 2: I’d like to thank the Ray Kroc Memorial Media Center for giving Stacy and Hoegwash the ability to update us in a timely manner.

Update 3 Stacy notes two important things we see:

It’s actually worse than that: It’s not just bad characters, but bad behavior that have been emboldened. Why shouldn’t everyone with a grudge resort to the methods Kimberlin & Co. employed against Walker?

The targeting of political bloggers, the cyberstalking and harassment, are now all now acceptable tactics for which there is evidently no legal discourse. Thanks, Judge Potter.

And Dan Backer notes the following

“The precedent set here is just terrible,” Backer said, talking about how Judge Potter ignored Kimberlin’s violation of court orders to seal the discovery materials. “Why should anyone comply with discovery?”

Walker is penalized for obeying the Judges rulings while Kimberlin is rewarded for flouting them, sounds like the left on gun control.

As Glenn Reynolds says you get more of behavior you reward, more is coming.

Update 3: Hogewash has a long post, two bits of it:

6. Now that I’ve had a chance to size up Stacy McCain, I’d like to echo the warning that Glen Reynolds made about not trying to out-crazy Mr. McCain. Team Kimberlin should not expect to be able to divert him from relentlessly blogging about their mischief.

Stacy with a story is like a dog with a bone and this is Stacy’s story. He’s not going to let it go, as for Mr. Hoge

7. Similarly, they should not expect Hogewash! to let go either. While I consider myself simply to be pigheaded, I have been described as having weapons-grade persistence. I have turned the Vast Hogewash Research Organization loose on Team Kimberlin. The data is rolling in, and, as it becomes useful in bringing the truth to light, it will be published. You can also expect that I won’t tell everything as soon as I know it. Somethings need to wait until the time is ripe.

I still don’t think this will end well for Kimberlin & Company but regardless one can’t forget they have a win in the bank right now and will act accordingly.

Update 4: More from Stacy.

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