ReadabilityTwitter Gulag or no Mike Hummell will be heard on DaTechGuy on DaRadio
If your offer’s good it will stand up under fire
Jean Lafette The Buccaneer 1958
A Democratic thief is as bad as a Republican thief
Grover Cleveland
It’s very unusual that I linked from the Daily Kos and it’s 1000’s times odder to get a positive shoutout from them but that took place earlier today:
I was fascinated by his unique view so I responded and have been shown nothing but respect from the man. I sent him a letter and he published it as a comment and as a guest post. I will be on his radio show, airing from Worcester, MA on Saturday at 11am Eastern time to discuss the Hostess strike.
The Author Mike Hummell is a member of the Bakers Union, the post he is talking about is here which said in part:
I spoke to a driver from a rival company that has all the work he can get with Hostess gone, and he said if it was him, he wouldn’t have taken the deal, not with big bonuses going to execs. He said with the cuts they would basically be working for nothing.
I disagreed with the premise under the 92% of something is worth more than 100% of nothing but it occurred to me: Could these bakers have decided they were “Going Galt”?
After all is one perceives they are not getting the reward for had and increased labor it makes no difference if it is government or management that is taking the surplus, the net effect is the same.
Of course in theory if it is management one can find another employer but to the baker with a more specialized profession they might not see it that way.
So in that sense the bakers are no different that any other professional who has decided they just aren’t working anymore for less.
I thought it was an interesting argument so we exchanged e-mails and I arranged for him to be on my show DaTechGuy on DaRadio tomorrow in the 2nd hour (WCRN AM 830 10 — noon) to talk about the strike from the Bakers Union’s point of view.
Today we tweeted back and forth to confirm the show and the details and he began tweeting about his upcoming appearance:

To answer his question, yes 888 – 9-fedora toll-free from anywhere to call in.
You might wonder why I have a screen shot of his tweets rather than the tweets themselves. Well there is an explanation and it’s not pretty:
I have just been suspended from Twitter for the 7th time in less than 60 days. I have the emails to prove it. There is an amazing correlation between my postings on the Hostess Bankery and the timing of these suspensions. Earlier today I published about Hostess again. Within an hour of tweeting the news my account was suspended.
I have never posted a comment I wouldn’t show my kids. If my account was up I could prove that too. This is not about me being some kind of troll. I do not use any features more than an average twitter user. I will eventually receive an auto generated response that says I should stop auto replying to people. The irony is an especially aggravating part of this.
I’m not an expert on Mike’s tweets but other than some I disagree with (OK most) I’ve seen nothing that look like grounds for suspension and if he tells he there are no ground for this I take him at his word:
I am not accusing twitter of doing anything vindictive to me. I am saying that they have a suspension policy that can be exploited to shut people up and it MUST be fixed. Someone is benefiting from this and it ain’t me.
I’ve had several friends end up in the so-called Twitter Gulag including people I know personally like Chris Loesch. On Twitchy they are talking about tactics to fight the use of the Twitter Gulag:
The buzz continues to build for the Twitter Gulag Defense Network, a grassroots project launched last weekend by Twitter user Todd Kincannon. Using the hashtag #TGDN, the project connects conservative activists and helps Twitter users combat the abusive flag-spam tactics used by some leftists to silence conservative voices.
#TGDN has been trending off and on since Saturday, Jan. 5, and more than 4,000 happy warriors have joined the network. This morning, Kincannon reached out to #TGDN members with his suggestions for staying out of the dreaded Twitter Gulag. His ideas include methods to thwart flag-spam trolls and tips to avoid triggering Twitter’s automatic suspension algorithms.
I’ve dealt with more than my share of folks on twitter who would rather throw an insult than make an argument and I don’t hold them in high regard. If your point of view is valid it should be worth defending and able to accept a challenge. As for trying to silence people on twitter let me say underhanded tactics used to silence conservative speech I agree with are just as despicable if they are used to silence liberal speech I disagree with.
If anyone on the right is responsible for this, let me say I’m ashamed of you, you should know better. If you are someone on the left outraged by this I would ask you to show that same outrage the next time someone tries to silence Ann Coulter or my friend Pam Geller.
Either way Mike Hummell is going to be on this Sicilian’s radio show tomorrow, he’s going to make his points concerning the Hostess Strike, I and my co-host will make mine, our callers will make theirs and I’ll trust my listeners to make up their minds. Twitter Gulag or no Twitter Gulag I’ve agreed to have him on and that’s the way it’s going to be. Period!
If your offer’s good it will stand up under fire
Jean Lafette The Buccaneer 1958
A Democratic thief is as bad as a Republican thief
Grover Cleveland
It’s very unusual that I linked from the Daily Kos and it’s 1000′s times odder to get a positive shoutout from them but that took place earlier today:
I was fascinated by his unique view so I responded and have been shown nothing but respect from the man. I sent him a letter and he published it as a comment and as a guest post. I will be on his radio show, airing from Worcester, MA on Saturday at 11am Eastern time to discuss the Hostess strike.
The Author Mike Hummell is a member of the Bakers Union, the post he is talking about is here which said in part:
I spoke to a driver from a rival company that has all the work he can get with Hostess gone, and he said if it was him, he wouldn’t have taken the deal, not with big bonuses going to execs. He said with the cuts they would basically be working for nothing.
I disagreed with the premise under the 92% of something is worth more than 100% of nothing but it occurred to me: Could these bakers have decided they were “Going Galt”?
After all is one perceives they are not getting the reward for had and increased labor it makes no difference if it is government or management that is taking the surplus, the net effect is the same.
Of course in theory if it is management one can find another employer but to the baker with a more specialized profession they might not see it that way.
So in that sense the bakers are no different that any other professional who has decided they just aren’t working anymore for less.
I thought it was an interesting argument so we exchanged e-mails and I arranged for him to be on my show DaTechGuy on DaRadio tomorrow in the 2nd hour (WCRN AM 830 10 – noon) to talk about the strike from the Bakers Union’s point of view.
Today we tweeted back and forth to confirm the show and the details and he began tweeting about his upcoming appearance:

To answer his question, yes 888-9-fedora toll-free from anywhere to call in.
You might wonder why I have a screen shot of his tweets rather than the tweets themselves. Well there is an explanation and it’s not pretty:
I have just been suspended from Twitter for the 7th time in less than 60 days. I have the emails to prove it. There is an amazing correlation between my postings on the Hostess Bankery and the timing of these suspensions. Earlier today I published about Hostess again. Within an hour of tweeting the news my account was suspended.
I have never posted a comment I wouldn’t show my kids. If my account was up I could prove that too. This is not about me being some kind of troll. I do not use any features more than an average twitter user. I will eventually receive an auto generated response that says I should stop auto replying to people. The irony is an especially aggravating part of this.
I’m not an expert on Mike’s tweets but other than some I disagree with (OK most) I’ve seen nothing that look like grounds for suspension and if he tells he there are no ground for this I take him at his word:
I am not accusing twitter of doing anything vindictive to me. I am saying that they have a suspension policy that can be exploited to shut people up and it MUST be fixed. Someone is benefiting from this and it ain’t me.
I’ve had several friends end up in the so-called Twitter Gulag including people I know personally like Chris Loesch. On Twitchy they are talking about tactics to fight the use of the Twitter Gulag:
The buzz continues to build for the Twitter Gulag Defense Network, a grassroots project launched last weekend by Twitter user Todd Kincannon. Using the hashtag #TGDN, the project connects conservative activists and helps Twitter users combat the abusive flag-spam tactics used by some leftists to silence conservative voices.
#TGDN has been trending off and on since Saturday, Jan. 5, and more than 4,000 happy warriors have joined the network. This morning, Kincannon reached out to #TGDN members with his suggestions for staying out of the dreaded Twitter Gulag. His ideas include methods to thwart flag-spam trolls and tips to avoid triggering Twitter’s automatic suspension algorithms.
I’ve dealt with more than my share of folks on twitter who would rather throw an insult than make an argument and I don’t hold them in high regard. If your point of view is valid it should be worth defending and able to accept a challenge. As for trying to silence people on twitter let me say underhanded tactics used to silence conservative speech I agree with are just as despicable if they are used to silence liberal speech I disagree with.
If anyone on the right is responsible for this, let me say I’m ashamed of you, you should know better. If you are someone on the left outraged by this I would ask you to show that same outrage the next time someone tries to silence Ann Coulter or my friend Pam Geller.
Either way Mike Hummell is going to be on this Sicilian’s radio show tomorrow, he’s going to make his points concerning the Hostess Strike, I and my co-host will make mine, our callers will make theirs and I’ll trust my listeners to make up their minds. Twitter Gulag or no Twitter Gulag I’ve agreed to have him on and that’s the way it’s going to be. Period!
Thanks for pointing this out. Twitter needs a better policy. Period.
Fascinating discussion. Based on what Mr. Hummell says, management needed the unionized bakers more than they realized. A foolish error, not to understand the value of an integral part of your factory, if true.
Brings to mind my brother in law, who started “on the line” of the particular type of factory which he now helps manage, and he still walks the line every morning, and knows each employee. Reckon it takes that kind of dedication and knowledge to avoid a foolish mistake with your skilled workers.
Mr Hummell said this in comment to your prior post: “You may be the first right winger I have come across to see this obvious connection between Unions and self-interest.”
I can understand how he formed this opinion, but I am right-winger number 2. I’m as libertarian/conservative as they come, but on the issue of unions I’ve never been on the same page as most.
Yes, unions in some circumstances get too powerful, too demanding. Maybe even violent. But unions, in particular for skilled workers . . .
Brings to mind my dad.
Peter, you argued in your prior post that it’s not a good idea to “go Galt” on the principle of the matter, when you are on the lower end of the power spectrum:
“Now maybe these guys will manage to find other work, maybe they will go into business for themselves, maybe when Hostess is sold off, some will be rehired (likely with less pay and extras.) but I’m betting a lot of them are going to be a lot worse off and their wives and families will pay for it …along with 18,000+ others.”
My dad took this same risk, when he helped lead an orchestra musicians’ strike decades ago. I was young, but I remember the months of stress and uncertainty. As a result of enough musicians sticking hard to their principles long enough, they were allowed to unionize.
You see, symphony musicians were typically contracted to work annually. By themselves, any musician is easily replaced, no matter how skilled and talented he is. So management would take their sweet time, come contract renewal season, and often low-ball. Plus, if management wasn’t very good at the planning and marketing aspect of concerts, it was more their fault than the individual musicians anyway, if tickets weren’t selling enough.
Not a real dependable living for someone that has to practice his skill on his own daily, often for hours. Together, however, the musicians could increase their bargaining power to the extent that allows for a more dependable position, rather than being ready to relocate the family every year in order to chase a decent contract.
I never have understood what is inherently anti-free market, or anti-conservative about supporting the right to unionize, or supporting the rights of unions to collectively bargain. I’ll rail against forced dues, intimidation tactics, and the Democrat campaign money laundering cycle that happens with powerful unions today, but I still think unions as a concept have an important place in the free market.
Especially for the highly skilled worker who is easily replaced on an individual basis.
Back to my father’s story. He got back to work before we lost the house or anything drastic. His key role in the strike earned him a demotion, however. I’m only speculating, and I’ve never asked. But I suspect the demotion ended any thought of moving forward to a bigger, more elite orchestra in the future.
I should ask him about it He has since retired, from that same orchestra, and relocated. He works more at his leisure now, for a much smaller, un-unionized orchestra. He got an email from them recently when I was visiting, about how a planned rehersal would also function as a concert for a limited audience.
Tricky, tricky: rehersals pay less than concerts. He chuckled over that, and said, “they would never get away with this if there was a union.”
wow, I wrote a book! apologies for running long. cheers and have a great weekend,
Linda