Forgetting History, Iraq, Afghanistan, Flypaper and Weak Horses

by Datechguy | March 28th, 2013

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Forgetting History, Iraq, Afghanistan, Flypaper and Weak Horses

As Lent ends and the Easter Trid­i­uum begins and as the media gushes in Democ­rats finally com­ing out as the sec­u­lar anti-​christian party pub­licly they’ve been for year it’s very easy to miss the incred­i­ble re-​write of his­tory that has been advanced by the MSM con­cern­ing the Wars In Iraq and Afghanistan.

The attempt to por­tray two Amer­i­can Vic­to­ries (yes you’ve read that right) as defeats and or dis­as­ter and the attempt to re-​Vietnam the mil­i­tary is not only insid­i­ous but flies against real­ity on an incred­i­ble scale.

Let’s go over a few facts and tac­ti­cal objec­tives that were in fact served by both Iraq and Afghanistan.

1.. Fly­pa­per

After the suc­cess of the 911 attacks where Mus­lims around the world cheered (no mat­ter how much we would like to pre­tend oth­er­wise) young Islamic men were ready to fol­low in the path of Islamic vic­tory. This rep­re­sented a severe chal­lenge to the US gov­ern­ment. US infra­struc­ture was vul­ner­a­ble, US tar­gets were vul­ner­a­ble and the Amer­i­can peo­ple were totally unpre­pared to deal with this kind of attacks. Mean­while the very peo­ple we needed to fight and kill were scat­tered in dozens of coun­tries and in those pre-​drone days not eas­ily vul­ner­a­ble with­out strikes that would have taken out many civilians.

Iraq and Afghanistan achieved solved both problems.

Once US troops were fight­ing in Iraq and Afghanistan it must have seemed a God­send to the jihadist and the Imams who recruited them. No longer was the prob­lem how to get their men over the sea to strike at the Great Satan instead they could fight the evil Amer­i­cans in Dar-​al-​Islam and show all the world the weak­ness of the infi­del west.

Unfor­tu­nately for the Jihadist this didn’t turn out exactly as planned.

While US casu­al­ties have been loudly touted by those opposed to the war ter­ror­ist and jihadist causal­i­ties have been highly ignored as it doesn’t fit the nar­ra­tive of a defeated and exhausted US force. Iraq and Afghanistan quickly became a killing field for those brave but fool­ish jihadists who dared to fight us. US mil­i­tary supe­ri­or­ity in tac­tics, weapons, tech­nol­ogy and fire­power made the life expectancy of our ene­mies rather short.

And even bet­ter Because we had troops in these lands the attacks of our ene­mies rather than directed against our weak­est links, infra­struc­ture and civil­ians who might not be as able to defend them­selves but instead against the best trained, best armed and most incred­i­ble mil­i­tary that his­tory has ever seen.

What is this in raw num­bers? Well lets look at this piece:

In fact, the Brook­ings Insti­tu­tion is the only inde­pen­dent orga­ni­za­tion I’ve found that has com­piled, along with all its Coali­tion and civil­ian casu­alty reports, a fair amount of infor­ma­tion on “insur­gency” casu­al­ties, how­ever, the degree of accu­racy of its fig­ures is com­pletely unknown to me. Still, its Iraq archive shows that a total of about 44,000 enemy com­bat­ants in Iraq have been killed or cap­tured since May of 2003, with only about 12,000 of them dying or being detained between the begin­ning of 2005 and the end of June.

These num­ber clearly con­flict with the esti­mate of Gen­eral Keane, unless upwards of 38,000 enemy casu­al­ties and detain­ments occurred dur­ing the month of July, and what lit­tle infor­ma­tion I’ve man­aged to find else­where does not help clear up this discrepancy.

Find­ing good infor­ma­tion on the Afghanistan War is even more dif­fi­cult, yet I did man­age to find the fol­low­ing data not long ago. Accord­ing to the Project on Defense Alter­na­tives (PDA), between Octo­ber of ’01 and Jan­u­ary of ’02, roughly 3,500 Tal­iban had been killed in Afghanistan, and another 7,000 were captured.

So that’s 54,500 jihadist killed or captured.

That num­ber being equal to total US Casu­al­ties killed and wounded sounds unim­pres­sive until you real­ize that this arti­cle and those num­ber are from Aug 10th 2005.

And these are the first num­ber I were able to find, other than a 2009 WSJ arti­cle you that men­tions 2000 enemy deaths in Afghanistan from April 2008 to May 2009 (no num­bers on wounded or cap­tured in Afghanistan or from Iraq in those years)

Why were even those num­ber so hard to find: Edward Daily again

Now you would think this fact would be cel­e­brated but it’s not, as Edward Daley pointed out back in 2005

All they ever hear is the neg­a­tive sta­tis­tics. I won­der what folks would think if the “main­stream” media decided to put their researchers to work uncov­er­ing the kind of sta­tis­tics that are favor­able to the United States, and report on the many thou­sands of scum­bags that our brave troops have killed and cap­tured over the past few years.

So far though, nobody in the jour­nal­is­tic com­mu­nity seems to think it’s impor­tant for Amer­i­cans to know how many ter­ror­ists are either locked away or push­ing up daisies, and the fed­eral gov­ern­ment is totally ignor­ing the issue as well.

What Mr. Daily never had under­stood is what Glenn Reynolds used to say about oppo­nents of the fight against ter­ror: “they’re not anti-​war, they’re just on the other side.

2. Bat­tlescape Dar-​al-​Islam

After 911 secu­rity things in the US changed in many ways. Metal detec­tors every­where, Air­port secu­rity and searches more intru­sive. It’s much more incon­ve­nient to do things that were one very easy and many Amer­i­cans have and still com­plain about these changes. But they don’t notice what hasn’t happened.

Other than the sin­gle shooter attacks such as Ft. Hood Amer­ica has been remark­ably free of attack. Insti­tu­tions and fac­to­ries con­tinue to pro­duce, peo­ple go out to din­ner, shop and live their nor­mal lives.

For a coun­try at war for twelve years that is incred­i­ble and his­toric. Even Dur­ing World War 2 you had mer­chant ships sunk by U-​Boats off the east coast and peo­ple able to see them burn from shore, but for the uncon­scripted US cit­i­zen The Bat­tle for Gon­dor pro­duced more worry and fear than any­thing in the war.

If any­one had pre­dicted this after 911 they would have been con­sid­ered not only out of their minds, but blind to the real­ity that was to follow.

Even if we had not slaugh­tered jihadists by the tens of thou­sands keep­ing the war off our shores is an incred­i­ble vic­tory that can’t be ade­quately mea­sured in terms of lives and trea­sure saved beyond the cost of the actual war.

3. US causal­i­ties as The Raw Num­bers vs Props

One of the things that really offends me in the left’s argu­ment is the con­stant wail­ing con­cern­ing US casu­al­ties. It is very dif­fer­ent than we on the right. With the pre­ferred “babykiller” and “Genghis khan” meme were iffy even dur­ing Abu Ghraib recall Dick Durbin com­par­ing US sol­diers to Nazis & Pol Pot and the back­lash, they have con­stantly played up the casu­al­ties lev­els in a phony and insult­ing way

Let’s for­get for a moment the obscen­ity of treat­ing dead and wounded US Sol­diers as vic­tims rather than as peo­ple who fought for a cause lets take a sober look at the actual numbers.

We have been at war for twelve years, TWELVE YEARS and we have had 6456 deaths com­bin­ing both in bat­tle and in the­ater. If you count strictly bat­tle deaths the num­ber is 5078.

These num­bers are incred­i­ble com­pared to every other Amer­i­can war as in …INCRED­I­BLY LOW. Look at the Mex­i­can war, only two years 13283 dead. Korea over 36,000 dead, Viet­nam over 58,000 dead hell lets look at a sin­gle bat­tle from WW2 the Bat­tle of Kasser­ine Pass where we had only 30,000 men engaged 6500 of the 10,000 allied troops killed were Amer­i­cans. That’s more than the total in Iraq & Afghanistan combined.

In a cul­ture where the vast major­ity never serve, never con­sider ser­vice for their kids and clos­est view of war is play­ing Call of Duty those num­bers are a shock. To any­one who has stud­ied his­tory, and real­izes what we’ve achieved these num­bers are a tes­ta­ment to the improve­ments in weapons, med­i­cine and tac­tics of the very pro­fes­sional US force.

Bot­tom line US causal­i­ties dead and wounded are so low that no other coun­try in his­tory could hope to match it over any­thing resem­bling the same period of time.

Each one of these things would nor­mally be cel­e­brated as signs of vic­tory to demor­al­ize our ene­mies, but because to the Media and the left US vic­tory is a bug not a fea­ture these facts must be ignored. As their best efforts to aid our defeat in war were unsuc­cess­ful per­haps they can over time con­vince us of our own defeat.

And while they may not see the dan­ger of such a thing there is a whole gen­er­a­tion of Jihadist who will be inspired by their “vic­tory” in the war on terror.

Now all of these address the tac­ti­cal effects but not the strate­gic ones but as I’m already over 1400 we’ll leave the rest of the argu­ment for another day.

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Well the good news is my appeal to read­ers to kick into Stacy McCain’s shoe leather fund has achieved the desired effect he’s off to cover SC-​1 for The Other McCain and Viral Read.

The Bad news is This weeks’ pay­check didn’t do as well mov­ing up $2.

Now $2 is 23 of 1% of my $300 goal and I’m grate­ful for the per­son who kicked in but now that Stacy is on his way south I’d like to find seven peo­ple to kick in this week’s $20 to com­plete this weeks paycheck.

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As Lent ends and the Easter Tridiuum begins and as the media gushes in Democrats finally coming out as the secular anti-christian party publicly they’ve been for year it’s very easy to miss the incredible re-write of history that has been advanced by the MSM concerning the Wars In Iraq and Afghanistan.

The attempt to portray two American Victories (yes you’ve read that right) as defeats and or disaster and the attempt to re-Vietnam the military is not only insidious but flies against reality on an incredible scale.

Let’s go over a few facts and tactical objectives that were in fact served by both Iraq and Afghanistan.

1.. Flypaper

After the success of the 9/11 attacks where Muslims around the world cheered (no matter how much we would like to pretend otherwise) young Islamic men were ready to follow in the path of Islamic victory. This represented a severe challenge to the US government. US infrastructure was vulnerable, US targets were vulnerable and the American people were totally unprepared to deal with this kind of attacks. Meanwhile the very people we needed to fight and kill were scattered in dozens of countries and in those pre-drone days not easily vulnerable without strikes that would have taken out many civilians.

Iraq and Afghanistan achieved solved both problems.

Once US troops were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan it must have seemed a Godsend to the jihadist and the Imams who recruited them. No longer was the problem how to get their men over the sea to strike at the Great Satan instead they could fight the evil Americans in Dar-al-Islam and show all the world the weakness of the infidel west.

Unfortunately for the Jihadist this didn’t turn out exactly as planned.

While US casualties have been loudly touted by those opposed to the war terrorist and jihadist causalities have been highly ignored as it doesn’t fit the narrative of a defeated and exhausted US force. Iraq and Afghanistan quickly became a killing field for those brave but foolish jihadists who dared to fight us. US military superiority in tactics, weapons, technology and firepower made the life expectancy of our enemies rather short.

And even better Because we had troops in these lands the attacks of our enemies rather than directed against our weakest links, infrastructure and civilians who might not be as able to defend themselves but instead against the best trained, best armed and most incredible military that history has ever seen.

What is this in raw numbers? Well lets look at this piece:

In fact, the Brookings Institution is the only independent organization I’ve found that has compiled, along with all its Coalition and civilian casualty reports, a fair amount of information on “insurgency” casualties, however, the degree of accuracy of its figures is completely unknown to me. Still, its Iraq archive shows that a total of about 44,000 enemy combatants in Iraq have been killed or captured since May of 2003, with only about 12,000 of them dying or being detained between the beginning of 2005 and the end of June.

These number clearly conflict with the estimate of General Keane, unless upwards of 38,000 enemy casualties and detainments occurred during the month of July, and what little information I’ve managed to find elsewhere does not help clear up this discrepancy.

Finding good information on the Afghanistan War is even more difficult, yet I did manage to find the following data not long ago. According to the Project on Defense Alternatives (PDA), between October of ’01 and January of ’02, roughly 3,500 Taliban had been killed in Afghanistan, and another 7,000 were captured.

So that’s 54,500 jihadist killed or captured.

That number being equal to total US Casualties killed and wounded sounds unimpressive until you realize that this article and those number are from Aug 10th 2005.

And these are the first number I were able to find, other than a 2009 WSJ article you that mentions 2000 enemy deaths in Afghanistan from April 2008 to May 2009 (no numbers on wounded or captured in Afghanistan or from Iraq in those years)

Why were even those number so hard to find: Edward Daily again

Now you would think this fact would be celebrated but it’s not, as Edward Daley pointed out back in 2005

All they ever hear is the negative statistics. I wonder what folks would think if the “mainstream” media decided to put their researchers to work uncovering the kind of statistics that are favorable to the United States, and report on the many thousands of scumbags that our brave troops have killed and captured over the past few years.

So far though, nobody in the journalistic community seems to think it’s important for Americans to know how many terrorists are either locked away or pushing up daisies, and the federal government is totally ignoring the issue as well.

What Mr. Daily never had understood is what Glenn Reynolds used to say about opponents of the fight against terror: “they’re not anti-war, they’re just on the other side.

2. Battlescape Dar-al-Islam

After 9/11 security things in the US changed in many ways. Metal detectors everywhere, Airport security and searches more intrusive. It’s much more inconvenient to do things that were one very easy and many Americans have and still complain about these changes. But they don’t notice what hasn’t happened.

Other than the single shooter attacks such as Ft. Hood America has been remarkably free of attack. Institutions and factories continue to produce, people go out to dinner, shop and live their normal lives.

For a country at war for twelve years that is incredible and historic. Even During World War 2 you had merchant ships sunk by U-Boats off the east coast and people able to see them burn from shore, but for the unconscripted US citizen The Battle for Gondor produced more worry and fear than anything in the war.

If anyone had predicted this after 9/11 they would have been considered not only out of their minds, but blind to the reality that was to follow.

Even if we had not slaughtered jihadists by the tens of thousands keeping the war off our shores is an incredible victory that can’t be adequately measured in terms of lives and treasure saved beyond the cost of the actual war.

3. US causalities as The Raw Numbers vs Props

One of the things that really offends me in the left’s argument is the constant wailing concerning US casualties. It is very different than we on the right. With the preferred “babykiller” and “Genghis khan” meme were iffy even during Abu Ghraib recall Dick Durbin comparing US soldiers to Nazis & Pol Pot and the backlash, they have constantly played up the casualties levels in a phony and insulting way

Let’s forget for a moment the obscenity of treating dead and wounded US Soldiers as victims rather than as people who fought for a cause lets take a sober look at the actual numbers.

We have been at war for twelve years, TWELVE YEARS and we have had 6456 deaths combining both in battle and in theater. If you count strictly battle deaths the number is 5078.

These numbers are incredible compared to every other American war as in …INCREDIBLY LOW. Look at the Mexican war, only two years 13283 dead. Korea over 36,000 dead, Vietnam over 58,000 dead hell lets look at a single battle from WW2 the Battle of Kasserine Pass where we had only 30,000 men engaged 6500 of the 10,000 allied troops killed were Americans. That’s more than the total in Iraq & Afghanistan combined.

In a culture where the vast majority never serve, never consider service for their kids and closest view of war is playing Call of Duty those numbers are a shock. To anyone who has studied history, and realizes what we’ve achieved these numbers are a testament to the improvements in weapons, medicine and tactics of the very professional US force.

Bottom line US causalities dead and wounded are so low that no other country in history could hope to match it over anything resembling the same period of time.

Each one of these things would normally be celebrated as signs of victory to demoralize our enemies, but because to the Media and the left US victory is a bug not a feature these facts must be ignored. As their best efforts to aid our defeat in war were unsuccessful perhaps they can over time convince us of our own defeat.

And while they may not see the danger of such a thing there is a whole generation of Jihadist who will be inspired by their “victory” in the war on terror.

Now all of these address the tactical effects but not the strategic ones but as I’m already over 1400 we’ll leave the rest of the argument for another day.

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Well the good news is my appeal to readers to kick into Stacy McCain’s shoe leather fund has achieved the desired effect he’s off to cover SC-1 for The Other McCain and Viral Read.

The Bad news is This weeks’ paycheck didn’t do as well moving up $2.

Now $2 is 2/3 of 1% of my $300 goal and I’m grateful for the person who kicked in but now that Stacy is on his way south I’d like to find seven people to kick in this week’s $20 to complete this weeks paycheck.

If you are willing, able and inclined to do so hit DaTipJar below.




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