Stop and Frisk, the Solution: Independence

Kinnoch:   With respect, Mr. Gandhi, without British administration, this country would be reduced to chaos.

Gandhi:   Mr. Kinnoch, I beg you to accept that there is no people on Earth who would not prefer their own bad government to the good government of an alien power.

Ghandi 1982

Morning Joe has been talking about stop and frisk a lot after the following ruling came down from a NY Judge:

A federal judge blasted the NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk as unconstitutional on Monday and appointed a federal monitor to oversee the program

She expanded on this.

in its current form, “the policy encourages the targeting of young black and Hispanic men based on their prevalence in local crime complaints. This is a form of racial profiling,” she said.

The city, she found, “acted with deliberate indifference toward the NYPD’s practice of making unconstitutional stops.”

Meanwhile Bloomberg is absolutely livid:

There is just no question that Stop-Question-Frisk has saved countless lives. And we know that most of the lives saved, based on the statistics, have been black and Hispanic young men.

“It’s worth remembering that as recently as 1990, New York City averaged more than six murders a day. Today, we’ve driven that down to less than one murder a day.

“Think about what that change really means: if murder rates over the last 11 years had been the same as the previous 11 years, more than 7,300 people who today are alive would be dead.

“Stop-Question-Frisk has helped us prevent those and other crimes from occurring – which has not only saved lives, it has helped us to reduce incarceration rates by 30 percent, even as incarceration rates in the rest of the nation have gone up.

That’s a pretty powerful argument, and I thought this counter argument made on twitter by a person of color in NY is pretty valid too.


It’s easier for me to discount the effect of this mentally because of course I’m not the person who deals with it daily.

Now I don’t doubt the demagogues who make their fortunes on the race industry but I don’t see I big difference in a person accepting additional risk to protect their 4th amendment rights…:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

…then people willing to assume additional risk to protect their 2nd amendment rights:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So you end up with a community that is caught in a quandary, the balance of 4th amendment rights and fear of the police vs the basic right to live safely in their community.

The basic issue here is the police, in the sense that the community doesn’t trust them to not base their decisions of whom to search based on race.

Well I have a rather simple answer, it’s drastic but it will solve the problem.

The communities in question should secede from NYC and become their own city(s).

This would dramatically change many equations:

1. It would create a majority minority community

2.  As a smaller more compact city the people representing the city would be closer to the communities they represent.  The Mayor and all the counselors of the city would be from that community.

3.  This would mean the police of the city would recruited from the city would reflect the demographics of the city and hopefully be closer to the neighborhoods they are policing.

4.  It would put the racial demagogue equation out of the game

Bottom line the people making the decisions on how to police the area and the voters who would elect them would be the folks most affected by these decisions.  If they want to assume the risk of lighter police presence they’ll have the votes for it, if not they can decide that too.

Part of Freedom is the freedom to assume risk, if the community wants to assume the risk and pay the price that’s fine, if not that’s fine too, they will have their own skin in the game, literally.

Give the people the chance to make their own cities work or fail on their own and live with the consequences one way or the other.

That’s what I think


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