Shutdown: Real Votes vs MSM “Votes”

by Datechguy | October 7th, 2013

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Shutdown: Real Votes vs MSM "Votes"

As I was watch­ing Morn­ing Joe today I kept hear­ing that John Boehner was lying when he said he couldn’t pass a clean CR.

We had graph­ics show­ing num­bers of “poten­tial” GOP votes In the house for a clean CR and more anony­mous quotes from unnamed GOP congressmen.

pseudo count

and they men­tioned vote counts

Joe Scar­bor­ough: let’s talk fact. from every­body you have talked to, every­body i talked to, it seems to me that John Boehner could pass a clean c.r. today and a clean debt ceil­ing increase this morn­ing with the repub­li­cans and all the democrats.

Jemery Peters NYT: I talked to democ­rats and repub­li­cans who were bewil­dered by what john boehner said. peter king said there are 50 to 75 repub­li­can votes for this. peter king is one of the repub­li­cans who’s been count­ing. he told me he thinks there would be 150 vote ifs the it were a secret ballot.

How­ever the con­gress doesn’t vote anony­mously and nobody seems to be able to name actual house mem­ber who will vote with dems. Even Rep Peter King the most vocal & quoted pub­lic critic of the GOP in gen­eral & Ted Cruz in par­tic­u­lar when pub­licly asked said he would NOT vote for a dis­charge peti­tion.

How­ever for peo­ple who can count real num­bers there have been actual bills where actual con­gress­men have cast actual votes against the offi­cial party line in the House.

There was a vote to fund NIH, a vote to open mon­u­ments, a vote to fund vet­er­ans programs.

On each of those voter dozens of mem­bers bucked their own party to pass them, yet those votes are not get­ting any atten­tion from the press and you might won­der why?

I don’t.

You see on each of those vot­ers it was democ­rats who voted with Repub­li­cans on these votes to pass them in the house and such votes don’t pro­mote the meme of GOP dis­unity and polit­i­cal fail­ure sim­ply are not news­wor­thy. The only men­tion of it came from Ted Cruz directly (via News­busters):

Sen Ted Cruz: The House has passed eight other bills fund­ing things like our vet­er­ans, fund­ing things like the national parks, and Harry Reid has killed them. Now, let me be clear, because it’s impor­tant to under­stand. These bills, none of them even men­tion Oba­macare. They’re pro­grams com­pletely unre­lated to Obamacare.

Candy Crow­ley: But obvi­ously, they feel that if you can use this kind of lever­age, they feel it’s black­mail. But let me ask you some­thing about your fel­low Republicans.

Sen Ted Cruz: But Candy, let me press back. It’s twice you’ve said Harry Reid would say it’s black­mail. And I want to press back, because I actu­ally — I think that’s a false claim with no basis. The bill that the House passed on the VA sim­ply funds the VA. It doesn’t men­tion any­thing about Oba­macare. It doesn’t men­tion any­thing about any­thing else. Now, for hun­dreds of years, the way Con­gress is appro­pri­ated has been one topic at a time. How is it black­mail to say we think we should fund the vet­er­ans? Do you agree? That’s a yes or no vote. Now Harry Reid refuses to let the Democ­rats vote on that. But how is it black­mail to say, we may not agree on every­thing but is there any­thing we can agree on? We ought to agree on empha­sis mine

John Boehner has directly said he does not have the vot­ers for a clean CR. Has Harry Reid been asked if there are the votes in the sen­ate to pass those bill? Has any­one asked Harry Reid why these bills are not brought to the sen­ate floor?

reid

That’s a good ques­tion but with this media we will not get an answer.

Update: added a por­tion of the Morn­ing Joe transcript

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As I was watching Morning Joe today I kept hearing that John Boehner was lying when he said he couldn’t pass a clean CR.

We had graphics showing numbers of “potential” GOP votes In the house for a clean CR and more anonymous quotes from unnamed GOP congressmen.

pseudo count

and they mentioned vote counts

Joe Scarborough: let’s talk fact. from everybody you have talked to, everybody i talked to, it seems to me that John Boehner could pass a clean c.r. today and a clean debt ceiling increase this morning with the republicans and all the democrats.

Jemery Peters NYT: I talked to democrats and republicans who were bewildered by what john boehner said. peter king said there are 50 to 75 republican votes for this. peter king is one of the republicans who’s been counting. he told me he thinks there would be 150 vote ifs the it were a secret ballot.

However the congress doesn’t vote anonymously and nobody seems to be able to name actual house member who will vote with dems. Even Rep Peter King the most vocal & quoted public critic of the GOP in general & Ted Cruz in particular when publicly asked said he would NOT vote for a discharge petition.

However for people who can count real numbers there have been actual bills where actual congressmen have cast actual votes against the official party line in the House.

There was a vote to fund NIH, a vote to open monuments, a vote to fund veterans programs.

On each of those voter dozens of members bucked their own party to pass them, yet those votes are not getting any attention from the press and you might wonder why?

I don’t.

You see on each of those voters it was democrats who voted with Republicans on these votes to pass them in the house and such votes don’t promote the meme of GOP disunity and political failure simply are not newsworthy. The only mention of it came from Ted Cruz directly (via Newsbusters):

Sen Ted Cruz: The House has passed eight other bills funding things like our veterans, funding things like the national parks, and Harry Reid has killed them. Now, let me be clear, because it’s important to understand. These bills, none of them even mention Obamacare. They’re programs completely unrelated to Obamacare.

Candy Crowley: But obviously, they feel that if you can use this kind of leverage, they feel it’s blackmail. But let me ask you something about your fellow Republicans.

Sen Ted Cruz: But Candy, let me press back. It’s twice you’ve said Harry Reid would say it’s blackmail. And I want to press back, because I actually — I think that’s a false claim with no basis. The bill that the House passed on the VA simply funds the VA. It doesn’t mention anything about Obamacare. It doesn’t mention anything about anything else. Now, for hundreds of years, the way Congress is appropriated has been one topic at a time. How is it blackmail to say we think we should fund the veterans? Do you agree? That’s a yes or no vote. Now Harry Reid refuses to let the Democrats vote on that. But how is it blackmail to say, we may not agree on everything but is there anything we can agree on? We ought to agree on emphasis mine

John Boehner has directly said he does not have the voters for a clean CR. Has Harry Reid been asked if there are the votes in the senate to pass those bill? Has anyone asked Harry Reid why these bills are not brought to the senate floor?

reid

That’s a good question but with this media we will not get an answer.

Update: added a portion of the Morning Joe transcript

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