Saudis & Israelis and the Iranian Reality Bomb

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Saudis & Israelis and the Iranian Reality Bomb

five min­utes’ gen­uine toothache would reveal the roman­tic sor­rows for the non­sense they were.

C. S. Lewis The Screw­tape Let­ters XIII

Jane Sharpe: What do you think I am, Molly? A wh…

Molly: A whore? That’s the word you’re look­ing for. I’m a whore, Jane. An hon­est one. You are dishonest.

Sharpe’s Revenge 1997

4th Doc­tor: You see, some things could be bet­ter with the Daleks. Many future worlds will become allies just because of their fear of the Daleks.

Doc­tor Who Gen­e­sis of the Daleks 1975

I’ve already writ­ten a what it all comes down to con­cern­ing the Iran­ian nuke deal for the US. Are they will­ing to fight or not?

Now the answer to that ques­tion might not be dri­ving his dis­cus­sion, much to my sur­prise today on Morn­ing Joe Donny Deutsch a reli­able defender of this admin­is­tra­tion found it inter­est­ing that Amer­ica that has been in nego­ti­a­tion with Iran all this time sud­denly decided that This moment and THIS deal was not only worth mak­ing but was announced just in time so it would make the Sun­day papers.

As a con­ser­v­a­tive, it might be no sur­prise that some­one like me could con­sider the idea that we have an admin­is­tra­tion so shal­low that they would risk Iran get­ting the bomb in order to step a bad bump in the polls & dis­tract the pub­lic, That Donny Deutsch would sug­gest this deal as a dis­trac­tion live on tele­vi­sion on MSNBC no less sim­ply bog­gles the mind.

I Frankly I don’t buy it. It would require the com­pla­cency and silence of a nego­ti­at­ing team will­ing to say: “Yes I’ll make this interim deal that messes up my nego­ti­a­tion on your order to help out the party in 2014 even though it would might lead to nuclear war and the deaths of tens or even hun­dreds of thou­sands. Oh and I’ll shut up about it”. I have to agree with Ma-​3 GOP can­di­date Tim Imholt (Who con­sid­ers this deal a step closer to the Iran­ian bomb) who I talked to on the subject

“Can an admin­is­tra­tion so incom­pe­tent that given 3 years can’t launch a web site, final­ize a diplo­matic deal involv­ing 5 coun­tries on the fly to dis­tract the media?”

Nah I think not. How­ever can­di­date what really upsets can­di­date Imholt is this

“The Ira­ni­ans have three US pris­on­ers and the admin­is­tra­tion is will­ing to sign this deal with­out their release that’s what both­ers me.”

Of course there is the pos­si­bil­ity that to this admin­is­tra­tion the idea of a Nuclear Iran (or Amer­i­cans held by Ira­ni­ans) is no big deal. After all they’d argue the Sovi­ets had more bombs and bet­ter deliv­ery sys­tems and we man­aged and given the vol­ume of sur­veil­lance going on Ira­ni­ans have lit­tle or no chance of actu­ally deliv­er­ing a Nuclear Device to the United States. The threat of a Nuclear Iran is some­thing that sim­ply isn’t real to them.

Israel and Saudi Ara­bia don’t have that privilege.

If you look at the his­tory of the Jew­ish Peo­ple it is a story of a peo­ple who are a tar­get (The logic of the world being the enemy of God cho­sen peo­ple from day one is not lost on any well stud­ied the­olo­gian). The irrefragable expres­sion of this being the Nazi Holo­caust and the exter­mi­na­tion of two out of every three Euro­pean Jews.

And when the State of Israel was formed it was in a state of reg­u­lar war fac­ing mul­ti­ple nations on mul­ti­ple fronts out­num­bered and sur­rounded fight­ing states with the stated goal of their total elimination…

…right up until the time that Israel had the bomb and the means to deploy it.

From that point for all their big talk war against Israel was “lim­ited”. When you look at the fight­ing in Lebanon, the ter­ror­ist bombs, the rock­ets all of these attacks while cost­ing lives and trea­sure did not and could not:

Threaten the exis­tence of Israel as a state.

Threaten the mass extinc­tion of the Jew­ish People

Be traced directly to a State giv­ing Israel a causus belli to elim­i­nate said state.

While Rock­ets and ter­ror bombs are not are not some­thing a nation can tol­er­ate it’s a far cry from destruc­tion and the Jew­ish peo­ple while tak­ing casu­al­ties have been able to live and con­tinue to develop. With the bal­ance of power on their side Israel can exist and any state that threat­ened that exis­tence via nuclear or chem­i­cal advance­ment, they were stopped.

Now we have a state, a reli­gious Islamic state which is the father of ter­ror­ism and Islamism in the mid­dle east. A state whose inten­tions have been out there so long…

Men­tion of the Lebanese elec­tions impels me to pass on what I saw with my own eyes at a recent Hezbol­lah rally in south Beirut, Lebanon. In a large hall that fea­tured the offi­cial atten­dance of a del­e­ga­tion from the Iran­ian Embassy, the most luridly dis­played poster of the pro-​Iranian party was a nuclear mush­room cloud! Under­neath this telling sym­bol was a cap­tion warn­ing the “Zion­ists” of what lay in store. We some­times for­get that Iran still offi­cially denies any inten­tion of acquir­ing nuclear weapons. Yet Ahmadine­jad recently hailed an Iran­ian mis­sile launch as a coun­ter­part to Iran’s suc­cess with nuclear cen­trifuges, and Hezbol­lah has cer­tainly been allowed to form the idea that the Iran­ian reac­tors may have non­peace­ful appli­ca­tions. This means, among other things, that the vicious manip­u­la­tion by which the mul­lahs con­trol Iran can no longer be con­sid­ered as their “inter­nal affair.” Fas­cism at home sooner or later means fas­cism abroad. Face it now or fight it later. Mean­while, give it its right name.

…that I can quote the late Christo­pher Hitchens , dead two years next month and still sound timely.

An Iran­ian Nuclear Bomb com­bined with an allied Syria is not just a direct threat to the bal­ance of power of the region but it’s a direct threat to the exis­tence of Jews in the Mid­dle East. Israel can’t allow that to hap­pen. In fact there is only one group of peo­ple who have more rea­son to fear and dread a fanat­i­cal group of Islamists who hate them and would like noth­ing more than to destroy them…

…The Saudi Royal Family.

The Ira­ni­ans Mul­lahs might as Islamists hate the Jews and want to drive the Chris­tians out of the Mid­dle East but I can’t imag­ine any­thing that offends them more than the Saudi Royal Family.

This might at first glance sound coun­ter­fac­tual. After all the Saudi’s are the care­tak­ers of the Mecca„ they help fund the prop­a­ga­tion of the most rad­i­cal form of Islam all around the world, have been the ori­gin or con­nec­tion point for count­less ter­ror­ists and their The Com­mit­tee for the Pro­mo­tion of Virtue and the Pre­ven­tion of Vice or هيئة الأمر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر is so strict in its enforce­ment of Sharia that they not only keep women from dri­ving in the nation but in 2002 actu­ally helped drive school­girls back into a burn­ing build­ing because of they were not in proper Islamic dress:

Accord­ing to the al-​Eqtisadiah daily, fire­men con­fronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wear­ing the head­scarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom’s strict inter­pre­ta­tion of Islam.

One wit­ness said he saw three police­men “beat­ing young girls to pre­vent them from leav­ing the school because they were not wear­ing the abaya”.

So why would the roy­alty that com­mands such peo­ple be a tar­get? Well there is the tra­di­tional Sunni/​Shitie dis­putes flar­ing up which are bad enough:

Six mor­tar bombs landed near a bor­der post in north­ern Saudi Ara­bia on Wednes­day in an attack claimed by an Iranian-​backed Iraqi Shia mili­tia, which said on Thurs­day it was warn­ing the king­dom to stop med­dling in Iraqi affairs.

The mor­tar rounds hit the desert on the far north­west­ern fringes of the kingdom’s oil-​producing region, sev­eral hun­dred miles from the major fields oper­ated by the world’s largest oil exporter and biggest Arab economy.

The goal was to send a warn­ing mes­sage to Saudis to tell them that their bor­der sta­tions and patrol are within our range of fire,” Wathiq al-​Batat, com­man­der of Iraq’s Al-​Mukhtar Army mili­tia, told Reuters in Bagh­dad by telephone.

but there is a deeper issue, with the Saudi Royal Fam­ily. Things like this:

and this

In Martha’s Vine­yard, they sure know how to pun­ish a prince. Saudi prince, Bader Al Saud, 26, killed Orlando Ramos, 37, in a cross­walk while dri­ving drunk with­out a valid license. His pun­ish­ment was a year in a con­verted home and then he sim­ply dis­ap­peared while on pro­ba­tion. He will not, how­ever, be allowed to attend next year’s masked ball or “silly dress” event.

and this:

Drunken’ Saudi princess wins fight to hide her iden­tity in court as she’s accused of sex­u­ally harass­ing her British bodyguard

A Saudi princess accused of sex­u­ally harass­ing her burly British body­guard was told yes­ter­day her iden­tity can remain a secret.

Her 40-​year-​old min­der, who earned £100,000 a year guard­ing her fam­ily, claims the royal was engaged in drink­ing, ille­gal drug-​taking and ‘sex­u­ally promis­cu­ous’ behaviour.

and Islamic sites have such sto­ries as well like this :

Police in Jed­dah, Saudi Ara­bia has con­firmed the news that a girl had been raped and mur­dered by a Saudi prince.
The scan­dal was another loop in a chain of moral and eth­i­cal scan­dals on Saudi cor­rupt princes and their crime against Saudi citizens.

and this:

Mark Young, who was the fam­ily body­guard of al-​Saud dynasty, has reviled a sex­ual pro­posal of a famous Saudi Prince to a Hol­ly­wood actress.
He said that Prince “Khalid bin Sul­tan bin Abdul-​Aziz Al-​Saud,” deputy Defense Min­is­ter, who was com­man­der of the joint forces for lib­er­a­tion of Kuwait form Sad­dam invad­ing army, had a sex­ual pro­posal to Brigitte Nielsen, Hol­ly­wood actress.

Mark Young added that the Prince Khalid had posted a half naked poster of the actress on his bed­room wall. He had offered $1 mil­lion to have a sex­ual rela­tion with her.

and of course there is wik­ileaks:

In what may prove a par­tic­u­larly incen­di­ary cable, US diplo­mats describe a world of sex, drugs and rock’n’roll behind the offi­cial pieties of Saudi Ara­bian royalty.

Jed­dah con­sulate offi­cials described an under­ground Hal­loween party, thrown last year by a mem­ber of the royal fam­ily, which broke all the country’s Islamic taboos. Liquor and pros­ti­tutes were present in abun­dance, accord­ing to leaked dis­patches, behind the heavily-​guarded villa gates.

The party was thrown by a wealthy prince from the large Al-​Thunayan fam­ily. The diplo­mats said his iden­tity should be kept secret. A US energy drinks com­pany also put up some of the finance.

Remem­ber these guys aren’t just lowly slubs, these are the Saudi Princes the keep­ers of the places most holy to all of Islam.

It’s one thing if a Char­lie Sheen or a Miley Cyrus or even a Bill Clin­ton does this, they are all infi­dels, igno­rant & wor­thy of being slain. They don’t know bet­ter, but the House of Saud they are the keep­ers of the faith!

How embar­rassed are these peo­ple by these actions? How mor­ti­fied are they, how much of a scan­dal is it to their faith that this is going on?

And unlike the cler­i­cal scan­dal in the Catholic Church were for­give­ness is demanded 70 times seven, these guys don’t for­give, they don’t for­get they just kill you.

That’s why you are hear­ing stuff like this from Saudi Ara­bia:

A senior advi­sor to the Saudi royal fam­ily has accused its West­ern allies of deceiv­ing the oil rich king­dom in strik­ing the nuclear accord with Iran and said Riyadh would fol­low an inde­pen­dent for­eign policy.

Nawaf Obaid told a think tank meet­ing in Lon­don that Saudi Ara­bia was deter­mined to pur­sue its own for­eign and pol­icy goals. Hav­ing in the past been reac­tive to events, the lead­ing Sunni Mus­lim nation was deter­mined to be pro-​active in future.

and this

Israel and Saudia Ara­bia are secretly work­ing together on plans for a pos­si­ble attack against Iran in case the Geneva talks fail to roll back its nuclear pro­gram, British paper The Sun­day Times reported.

The two coun­tries’ shared con­cern has put them at odds with the United States as the lat­ter con­tin­ues to seek an agree­ment with Iran to ease eco­nomic sanc­tions in return for pulling back nuclear development.

Accord­ing to the diplo­matic source quoted by the Times, Saudia Ara­bia has agreed to let Israel use its air space, and assist an Israeli attack by coop­er­at­ing on the use of drones, res­cue heli­copters and tanker planes.

It’s one thing to finance and finan­cially sup­port peo­ple who want to destroy Israel and kill jews, but with Obama’s Amer­ica is no longer reli­able and a group of fanat­ics about to get the power to not only kill you all but to deprive you of wealth, power and more impor­tantly one of the eas­i­est lives in the his­tory of his­tory and you need some­one strong enough, smart enough and will­ing enough to fight…

who ya gonna call?

The Real­ity bomb is tick­ing and that real­ity means the the Saudi’s have to face it.

Oh and nobody is going to tell me that Barack Obama was think­ing like the 4th doc­tor when he did it:

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C. S. Lewis The Screwtape Letters XIII

Jane Sharpe:  What do you think I am, Molly?  A wh…

Molly:  A whore? That’s the word you’re looking for.   I’m a whore, Jane.   An honest one. You are dishonest.

Sharpe’s Revenge 1997

4th Doctor: You see, some things could be better with the Daleks. Many future worlds will become allies just because of their fear of the Daleks.

Doctor Who Genesis of the Daleks 1975

I’ve already written a what it all comes down to concerning the Iranian nuke deal for the US. Are they willing to fight or not?

Now the answer to that question might not be driving his discussion, much to my surprise today on Morning Joe Donny Deutsch a reliable defender of this administration found it interesting that America that has been in negotiation with Iran all this time suddenly decided that This moment and THIS deal was not only worth making but was announced just in time so it would make the Sunday papers.

As a conservative, it might be no surprise that someone like me could consider the idea that we have an administration so shallow that they would risk Iran getting the bomb in order to step a bad bump in the polls & distract the public,  That Donny Deutsch would suggest this deal as a distraction live on television on MSNBC no less simply boggles the mind.

I Frankly I don’t buy it.   It would require the complacency and silence of a  negotiating team willing to say:   “Yes I’ll make this interim deal that messes up my negotiation on your order to help out the party in 2014 even though it would might lead to nuclear war and the deaths of tens or even hundreds of thousands.  Oh and I’ll shut up about it“.  I have to agree with Ma-3 GOP candidate Tim Imholt (Who considers this deal a step closer to the Iranian bomb) who I talked to on the subject

“Can an administration so incompetent that given 3 years can’t launch a web site,  finalize a diplomatic deal involving 5 countries on the fly to distract the media?”

Nah I think not.  However candidate what really upsets candidate Imholt is this

“The Iranians have three US prisoners and the administration is willing to sign this deal without their release that’s what bothers me.”

Of course there is  the possibility that to this administration the idea of a Nuclear Iran (or Americans held by Iranians) is no big deal.  After all they’d argue the Soviets had more bombs and better delivery systems and we managed and given the volume of surveillance going on Iranians have little or no chance of actually delivering a Nuclear Device to the United States.  The threat of a Nuclear Iran is something that simply isn’t real to them.

Israel and Saudi Arabia don’t have that privilege.

If you look at the history of the Jewish People it is a story of a people who are a target  (The logic of the world being the enemy of God chosen people from day one is not lost on any well studied theologian).  The irrefragable expression of this being the Nazi Holocaust and the extermination of two out of every three European Jews.

And when the State of Israel was formed it was in a state of regular war facing multiple nations on multiple fronts outnumbered and surrounded fighting states with the stated goal of their total elimination…

…right up until the time that Israel had the bomb and the means to deploy it.

From that point for all their big talk war against Israel was “limited”. When you look at the fighting in Lebanon, the terrorist bombs, the rockets all of these attacks while costing lives and treasure did not and could not:

Threaten the existence of Israel as a state.

Threaten the mass extinction of the Jewish People

Be traced directly to a State giving Israel a causus belli to eliminate said state.

While Rockets and terror bombs are not are not something a nation can tolerate it’s a far cry from destruction and the Jewish people while taking casualties have been able to live and continue to develop.  With the balance of power on their side Israel can exist and any state that threatened that existence via nuclear or chemical advancement, they were stopped.

Now we have a state, a religious Islamic state which is the father of terrorism and Islamism in the middle east.  A state whose intentions have been out there so long…

Mention of the Lebanese elections impels me to pass on what I saw with my own eyes at a recent Hezbollah rally in south Beirut, Lebanon. In a large hall that featured the official attendance of a delegation from the Iranian Embassy, the most luridly displayed poster of the pro-Iranian party was a nuclear mushroom cloud! Underneath this telling symbol was a caption warning the “Zionists” of what lay in store. We sometimes forget that Iran still officially denies any intention of acquiring nuclear weapons. Yet Ahmadinejad recently hailed an Iranian missile launch as a counterpart to Iran’s success with nuclear centrifuges, and Hezbollah has certainly been allowed to form the idea that the Iranian reactors may have nonpeaceful applications. This means, among other things, that the vicious manipulation by which the mullahs control Iran can no longer be considered as their “internal affair.” Fascism at home sooner or later means fascism abroad. Face it now or fight it later. Meanwhile, give it its right name.

…that I can quote the late Christopher Hitchens , dead two years next month and still sound timely.

An Iranian Nuclear Bomb combined with an allied Syria is not just a direct threat to the balance of power of the region but it’s a direct threat to the existence of Jews in the Middle East.  Israel can’t allow that to happen.  In fact there is only one group of people who have more reason to fear and dread a fanatical group of Islamists who hate them and would like nothing more than to destroy them…

…The Saudi Royal Family.

 

The Iranians Mullahs might as Islamists hate the Jews and want to drive the Christians out of the Middle East but I can’t imagine anything that offends them more than the Saudi Royal Family.

This might at first glance sound counterfactual.  After all the Saudi’s are the caretakers of the Mecca,, they help fund the propagation of the most radical form of Islam all around the world, have been the origin or connection point for countless terrorists and their The Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice or هيئة الأمر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر  is so strict in its enforcement of Sharia that they not only keep women from driving in the nation but in 2002 actually helped drive schoolgirls back into a burning building because of they were not in proper Islamic dress:

According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islam.

One witness said he saw three policemen “beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya”.

So why would the royalty that commands such people be a target? Well there is the traditional Sunni/Shitie disputes flaring up which are bad enough:

Six mortar bombs landed near a border post in northern Saudi Arabia on Wednesday in an attack claimed by an Iranian-backed Iraqi Shia militia, which said on Thursday it was warning the kingdom to stop meddling in Iraqi affairs.

The mortar rounds hit the desert on the far northwestern fringes of the kingdom’s oil-producing region, several hundred miles from the major fields operated by the world’s largest oil exporter and biggest Arab economy.

“The goal was to send a warning message to Saudis to tell them that their border stations and patrol are within our range of fire,” Wathiq al-Batat, commander of Iraq’s Al-Mukhtar Army militia, told Reuters in Baghdad by telephone.

but there is a deeper issue, with the Saudi Royal Family. Things like this:

and this

In Martha’s Vineyard, they sure know how to punish a prince. Saudi prince, Bader Al Saud, 26, killed Orlando Ramos, 37, in a crosswalk while driving drunk without a valid license. His punishment was a year in a converted home and then he simply disappeared while on probation. He will not, however, be allowed to attend next year’s masked ball or “silly dress” event.

and this:

Drunken’ Saudi princess wins fight to hide her identity in court as she’s accused of sexually harassing her British bodyguard

A Saudi princess accused of sexually harassing her burly British bodyguard was told yesterday her identity can remain a secret.

Her 40-year-old minder, who earned £100,000 a year guarding her family, claims the royal was engaged in drinking, illegal drug-taking and ‘sexually promiscuous’ behaviour.

and Islamic sites have such stories as well like this :

Police in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia has confirmed the news that a girl had been raped and murdered by a Saudi prince.
The scandal was another loop in a chain of moral and ethical scandals on Saudi corrupt princes and their crime against Saudi citizens.

and this:

Mark Young, who was the family bodyguard of al-Saud dynasty, has reviled a sexual proposal of a famous Saudi Prince to a Hollywood actress.
He said that Prince “Khalid bin Sultan bin Abdul-Aziz Al-Saud,” deputy Defense Minister, who was commander of the joint forces for liberation of Kuwait form Saddam invading army, had a sexual proposal to Brigitte Nielsen, Hollywood actress.

Mark Young added that the Prince Khalid had posted a half naked poster of the actress on his bedroom wall. He had offered $1 million to have a sexual relation with her.

and of course there is wikileaks:

In what may prove a particularly incendiary cable, US diplomats describe a world of sex, drugs and rock’n’roll behind the official pieties of Saudi Arabian royalty.

Jeddah consulate officials described an underground Halloween party, thrown last year by a member of the royal family, which broke all the country’s Islamic taboos. Liquor and prostitutes were present in abundance, according to leaked dispatches, behind the heavily-guarded villa gates.

The party was thrown by a wealthy prince from the large Al-Thunayan family. The diplomats said his identity should be kept secret. A US energy drinks company also put up some of the finance.

Remember these guys aren’t just lowly slubs, these are the Saudi Princes the keepers of the places most holy to all of Islam.

It’s one thing if a Charlie Sheen or a Miley Cyrus or even a Bill Clinton does this, they are all infidels, ignorant & worthy of being slain.  They don’t know better, but the House of Saud they are the keepers of the faith!

How embarrassed are these people by these actions?  How mortified are they, how much of a scandal is it to their faith that this is going on?

And unlike the clerical scandal in the Catholic Church were forgiveness is demanded 70 times seven,  these guys don’t forgive, they don’t forget they just kill you.

That’s why you are hearing stuff like this from Saudi Arabia:

A senior advisor to the Saudi royal family has accused its Western allies of deceiving the oil rich kingdom in striking the nuclear accord with Iran and said Riyadh would follow an independent foreign policy.

Nawaf Obaid told a think tank meeting in London that Saudi Arabia was determined to pursue its own foreign and policy goals. Having in the past been reactive to events, the leading Sunni Muslim nation was determined to be pro-active in future.

and this

Israel and Saudia Arabia are secretly working together on plans for a possible attack against Iran in case the Geneva talks fail to roll back its nuclear program, British paper The Sunday Times reported.

The two countries’ shared concern has put them at odds with the United States as the latter continues to seek an agreement with Iran to ease economic sanctions in return for pulling back nuclear development.

According to the diplomatic source quoted by the Times, Saudia Arabia has agreed to let Israel use its air space, and assist an Israeli attack by cooperating on the use of drones, rescue helicopters and tanker planes.

It’s one thing to finance and financially support people who want to destroy Israel and kill jews, but with Obama’s America is no longer reliable and a group of fanatics about to get the power to not only kill you all but to deprive you of wealth, power and more importantly one of the easiest lives in the history of history and you need someone strong enough, smart enough and willing enough to fight…

who ya gonna call?

The Reality bomb is ticking and that reality means the the Saudi’s have to face it.

Oh and nobody is going to tell me that Barack Obama was thinking like the 4th doctor when he did it:

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