ReadabilityRadical Islam, US Army & vs Ahmadiyya Islam on Christmas
At Gateway Pundit Jim Hoft brings us a story of yet another tolerant Imam:
When you say: “Merry Christmas,” you are saying: “Congratulations on your false religion,” “Congratulations on your false understanding of life.” You are congratulating them on the most evil of polytheism and heresy.
As Ibn Qayyim said, this is worse than fornication, drinking alcohol, and killing someone, because you are approving of the biggest crime every committed by the children of Adam – polytheism.
Pam Geller nailed it:
More interfaith dialogue and mutual understanding
But at least they are in line with some in the US Army
Two weeks ago, a routine meeting was held at the Mississippi base with various leaders of the 158th Infantry Brigade. During the meeting, they discussed an upcoming Christmas football tournament. The equal opportunity officer immediately objected to the usage of the word “Christmas.”
“Our equal opportunity representative stopped the briefing and told us that we can’t say Christmas,” the soldier told me. “Almost the entire room blew up. Everybody was frustrated. The equal opportunity rep told our commander that not everyone celebrates Christmas and we couldn’t say Christmas celebration. It had to be holiday celebration.”
The soldier said there was a brief, but heated discussion about political correctness. At one point, the equal opportunity representative tried to deflect the criticism by pointing out it was the Army’s rules – not hers.
But apparently this ban on Christmas embraced by this Imam & the “equal opportunity representative” of the Army is not shared by all as evidenced by this e-mail I received this week. Subject line Merry Christmas:
My friends, I wish you very merry Christmas, happy holidays & a very prosperous new year.May God bless you & your families with health wealth prosperity & long useful lives.Amin. Sincerely Bashir U Mehmud & family.
You might remember the name Bashir Mehmud if you were reading this site back in Aug of 2010.
His sermon was a no nonsense one about the start of Ramadan next Wednesday and the need for spiritual renewal, the rewards of fasting and the need to avoid sin and temptation. The basic thrust of the sermon could have been given in any Catholic Church in preparation for Lent. He also asked the congregation to pray for the members of their community that were killed in the May 28th Mosque Attacks. (Their Branch of Islam the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are rejected by many mainstream Muslim groups). His sermon also touched on a denouncement of violence. Not surprising as his sect has been the target of radical Islam
We spoke for 45 minutes after the service. He has lived in Fitchburg for almost 30 years and has seen the change in the town. His opinions on the direction of the city and the cultural decay of the country could have been said by my mother.
He has since retired but the local Mosque remains the same, and the most hopeful sight you can see in Fitchburg is every 4th of July where you see this.
Did you ever think you’d see the day when an Islamic Sect is more friendly toward Christmas than a representative of the US Army?
Under any other administration I would not have believed it.
At Gateway Pundit Jim Hoft brings us a story of yet another tolerant Imam:
When you say: “Merry Christmas,” you are saying: “Congratulations on your false religion,” “Congratulations on your false understanding of life.” You are congratulating them on the most evil of polytheism and heresy.
As Ibn Qayyim said, this is worse than fornication, drinking alcohol, and killing someone, because you are approving of the biggest crime every committed by the children of Adam – polytheism.
Pam Geller nailed it:
More interfaith dialogue and mutual understanding
But at least they are in line with some in the US Army
Two weeks ago, a routine meeting was held at the Mississippi base with various leaders of the 158th Infantry Brigade. During the meeting, they discussed an upcoming Christmas football tournament. The equal opportunity officer immediately objected to the usage of the word “Christmas.”
“Our equal opportunity representative stopped the briefing and told us that we can’t say Christmas,” the soldier told me. “Almost the entire room blew up. Everybody was frustrated. The equal opportunity rep told our commander that not everyone celebrates Christmas and we couldn’t say Christmas celebration. It had to be holiday celebration.”
The soldier said there was a brief, but heated discussion about political correctness. At one point, the equal opportunity representative tried to deflect the criticism by pointing out it was the Army’s rules – not hers.
But apparently this ban on Christmas embraced by this Imam & the “equal opportunity representative” of the Army is not shared by all as evidenced by this e-mail I received this week. Subject line Merry Christmas:
My friends, I wish you very merry Christmas, happy holidays & a very prosperous new year.May God bless you & your families with health wealth prosperity & long useful lives.Amin. Sincerely Bashir U Mehmud & family.
You might remember the name Bashir Mehmud if you were reading this site back in Aug of 2010.
His sermon was a no nonsense one about the start of Ramadan next Wednesday and the need for spiritual renewal, the rewards of fasting and the need to avoid sin and temptation. The basic thrust of the sermon could have been given in any Catholic Church in preparation for Lent. He also asked the congregation to pray for the members of their community that were killed in the May 28th Mosque Attacks. (Their Branch of Islam the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are rejected by many mainstream Muslim groups). His sermon also touched on a denouncement of violence. Not surprising as his sect has been the target of radical Islam
We spoke for 45 minutes after the service. He has lived in Fitchburg for almost 30 years and has seen the change in the town. His opinions on the direction of the city and the cultural decay of the country could have been said by my mother.
He has since retired but the local Mosque remains the same, and the most hopeful sight you can see in Fitchburg is every 4th of July where you see this.
Did you ever think you’d see the day when an Islamic Sect is more friendly toward Christmas than a representative of the US Army?
Under any other administration I would not have believed it.
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For what it’s worth, the last time I was in Afghanistan, everyone in the CJSOTF got a letter about this time of year from the commanding officer of the UAE Special Forces wishing us all a Merry Christmas.
First: Merry Christmas.
“The secular meaning of the Christmas holiday is wider than the tenets of any particular religion: it is good will toward men—a frame of mind which is not the exclusive property (though it is supposed to be part, but is a largely unobserved part) of the Christian religion.
“The charming aspect of Christmas is the fact that it expresses good will in a cheerful, happy, benevolent, non-sacrificial way. One says: ‘Merry Christmas’—not ‘Weep and Repent.’ And the good will is expressed in a material, earthly form—by giving presents to one’s friends, or by sending them cards in token of remembrance . . . .
“The best aspect of Christmas is the aspect usually decried by the mystics: the fact that Christmas has been commercialized.
The gift-buying . . . stimulates an enormous outpouring of ingenuity in the creation of products devoted to a single purpose: to give men pleasure. And the street decorations put up by department stores and other institutions—the Christmas trees, the winking lights, the glittering colors—provide the city with a spectacular display, which only “commercial greed” could afford to give us. One would have to be terribly depressed to resist the wonderful gaiety of that spectacle.”
— Ayn Rand (when asked can an atheist celebrate Christmas)
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Islam is a conversion-by-conquest religion.
Much like Judaism was thousand of years ago.
Much like Christianity was during the Dark Ages.
Religion, in any guise, must rely on converts; however, because religion relies on faith, rather than on reason, those converts many times must be conquered. Must be coerced. Must be forced–or frightened or shamed–into believing.
And when two religions meet, there is no room for discussion, because no discussion can occur where the emotionalism of faith trumps the objectivity of reason.
The only reason that Judaism and Christianity are no longer conversion-by-conquest religions is because of _Summa Theologica_ (thanks to an Aristotelian Aquinas), its product, the Renaissance and the subsequent progression of human thought that became the Enlightenment. This centuries long advancement tempered both religions, leaving them only to rely on fear or guilt to proselytize. (Indeed, if Christians and Jews actually *lived* their faiths as was done, respectively, in the Dark Ages and thousands of years ago, we’d all be living lives that would be nasty, brutish and short.)
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.
(Deuteronomy 13: 13)
Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
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Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156
If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.
Choshen Ha’mishpat 425:50
Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.
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(Quran 8:12)
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
Quran (9:5)
“So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
Etc.
you missed the story where the “contractors” at the mess (dining hall) at Gitmo were forced to take down Christmas decorations. Most of the contractors are Filipino or Indian, so we are interfering with their freedom of religion, but never mind: the reported emphasized that some “service members” felt “threatened” by the decorations and feared complaining. Right. No one bothered to interview the “contractors”…
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This article is dishonest. Read the original Fox News article, and despite their bias, this was not about banning individuals from saying “Merry Christmas” as DaTechGuy implies in a very Michael Mooreish way. Like Moore does, he is leaving out facts to allow you to come to the wrong conclusion. This was NOT about saying “merry christmas”.
The article explictly stated, “‘She said an individual can say Christmas, but as an organization in the Army you can’t say Christmas,’ the soldier told me.”
It was about the army calling their army sponsored football tournament as a “Christmas Football Tournament”. Which they cannot do because that is an endorsment of religion, something the Constituion forbids.
I was unaware of the Holy Sacrement of Football. Which church does this endorse?
Well, Brian, does the phrase “a distinction without a difference” resound with you?
Everyone says we must respect the beliefs and traditions of Jews, Muslims, etc. Why are Christians not accorded the same courtesy?
As an Orthodox Jew, I, like Mr. Mehmud, enjoy wishing a Merry Christmas to all my Christian and secular (as opposed to militant-atheist) neighbors, as well as a very Happy New Year – which I also don’t share. The New Year started back in the autumn, or weren’t you paying attention? 🙂
Why is that it’s always women who are put into these superfluous jobs in large organizations? I guess it’s just to prove that they can do anything that that a man can do, even if the job has to be totally rewritten to do accomplish that.
Equal opportunity officer, zampolit; to-may-to, to-mah-to.
When I lived in California, the local Muslims I would run into in the park never failed to wish me a Merry Christmas.
Mock the army all you want, but you can’t equate the reason for the army not endorsing a religion to that imam’s hatred. It is inappropriate for the US government through the US Army to sponsor Christmas parties. Unlike the imam, this is a matter of good manners and good order and discipline. The Jews, the atheists, and yes, even the rare Muslims in the military should not be required to endure the government imposing one religion over others.
That used to be a common sentiment. Apparently intolerance is ecumenical nowadays.
The Jews, the atheists, and yes, even the rare Muslims in the military should not be required to endure the government imposing one religion over others.
And those of us who believe in America as a free country with all citizens equally endowed with rights, should not have the government imposing the religion – yes, religion, it’s as irrational and faith-based as any other – of Political Correctitude on us in this brutal, ham-fisted example.
No one is mocking the Army, they are mocking the influx of PC crap and the intellectual laziness and cowardice shown by the EO rep and your response here.
If your faith is threatened by seeing a sign-up sheet on the bulletin board about a Christmas Football Game, then either your faith or your religion, or both, are ridiculously frail. And if you think that the Constitution guarantees your right to never hear such a thing as a “Christmas Football Game” or Merry Christmas, then your intellectual laziness perfectly prepares you for a position in the Obama administration. The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, for those that have one, and no state sponsored religion. Having a Christmas Football Game is no more a gov’t support of Christian religion than the unit Halloween Party is a gov’t support of Wiccans.
The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion (for those that have one), and no state sponsored religion. Having a Christmas Football Game is no more a gov’t support of the Christian religion than the unit Halloween Party is a gov’t support of Wiccans. In my experience (22 years Army), the only EO people who would pull such stupid crap like this are the intellectually lazy ones who went no further than the few PowerPoint slides they were given in their initial briefing.
Piss off, ya wanker. Nobody likes your stupid viewpoint. Twat.
When I was in Afghanistan, I was the Command Sergeant Major of an organization that was 80% civilian. I walked into a meeting that was already in progress. It was about our Christmas celebration. I got there just in time to hear a women tell the group that since she was not Christian, she would be offended by religious carols and that she would make a list of carols that wouldn’t offend her. My exact words were “prepare to be offended”. We sang all the Christmas carols in the book, put up a tree, heck we even scheduled time for the Commanding General to help with the decorations, which he did. I put out a list of what was going on where, if you didn’t want to be offended you avoided those areas.
I am selling my cloak and buying a sword in the New Year. Maybe two.
Christmas was designated a federal holiday by Congress and President Ulysses S. Grant in 1870. It is perfectly fine to use the word “Christmas” as a tie-in with the federal holiday.
Career Army officer here. EO reps are just advisors to the commander. The Commander should have told her to sit down.
The specific administration has nothing to do with it. This sort of stuff was well underway more than 10 years ago. Blaming it on Obama is avoiding the real problem, and will do nothing to resolve it.