Pope-a-Dope: What a difference 48 Hours Makes

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Pope-a-Dope: What a difference 48 Hours Makes

On Jan 3rd I com­mented on a story where the Holy Father encour­aged the Bishop of Malta to speak against “Gay Adop­tion” in his coun­try and dis­agreed with Pope­watch that this would be the break­ing point with the left and the media:

The prob­lem is this is still an elec­tion year in Amer­ica and if the left is seen as sys­tem­at­i­cally attack­ing the first Latin Amer­i­can Pope it will not play well.

I pre­dict while some über advo­cates will push it the main­stream will ignore the story after all it’s likely the only thing any­one on the left knows about Malta is les­bian porn star Mag­da­lene St. Michaels was born there.

Well two days later a story con­cern­ing the Pope, gays and chil­dren has made the main­stream and as pre­dicted it’s not the one I men­tioned before:

Pope Fran­cis has called for a rethink in the way the Catholic Church deals with the chil­dren of gay cou­ples and divorced par­ents, warn­ing against “admin­is­ter­ing a vac­cine against faith”.

If you search on the net it’s every­where from GMA news to NBC and the story is the same whereever you go:

I remem­ber a case in which a sad lit­tle girl con­fessed to her teacher: ‘my mother’s girl­friend doesn’t love me’,” he was quoted as say­ing, accord­ing to AFP. Due to the Church’s oppo­si­tion to homo­sex­u­al­ity, same-​sex mar­riage and divorce, these chil­dren may feel unwel­come, the pon­tiff — who has gar­nered a rep­u­ta­tion for his efforts toward greater inclu­sion — indicated.

“We must be care­ful not to admin­is­ter a vac­cine against faith to them,” Fran­cis added.

There is one other thing that is the same, nobody seems to have a link to the actual speech that the reports say was given in Novem­ber of last year. There is no sign of the speech any­where in any lan­guage, an odd­ity since the Vat­i­can site put every­thing out there in many dif­fer­ent lan­guages. For exam­ple this is page for last Novem­ber speeches.

With­out the actual speech the con­text of what the Pope is say­ing is totally lost.

Now to faith­ful Catholics the obvi­ous inter­pre­ta­tion is the Pope makes the point that the sin of the par­ents can’t stand between the mes­sage of Christ and their chil­dren as it says in Luke 18:1617

Jesus, how­ever, called the chil­dren to him­self and said, “Let the chil­dren come to me and do not pre­vent them; for the king­dom of God belongs to such as these Amen, I say to you, who­ever does not accept the king­dom of God like a child will not enter it.”

How­ever the pitch the media is giv­ing is totally dif­fer­ent, sug­gest­ing the Pope is no longer things Gay Mar­riage and or Adop­tion or even divorce is a big deal. As if the Malta story never happened.

The rea­son is there is a nar­ra­tive to be cre­ated to try to divide the con­ser­v­a­tives away from the church and to sug­gest to Latino’s that the Pope is with the cul­tural left on issues because the alter­na­tive is to attack the first Latin Amer­i­can Pope and gen­er­ate anger.

There are a lot of low infor­ma­tion vot­ers that are going to fall for this non­sense, but any con­ser­v­a­tive Catholic who buys into the media BS should be ashamed of them­selves for being a sucker.

Update: The Vat­i­can has issued a strong denial

Ital­ian media on Sun­day ran head­lines say­ing the pope’s words were an open­ing to legal pro­vi­sion for civil unions for gay cou­ples, a sub­ject of debate in Italy.

Vat­i­can spokesman Father Fed­erico Lom­bardi told Vat­i­can Radio that media inter­pre­ta­tions were “para­dox­i­cal” and a “manip­u­la­tion” of the pope’s words, par­tic­u­larly as some media quoted him as speak­ing specif­i­cally of homo­sex­ual unions, which he did not.

Lom­bardi said the pope was merely “allud­ing to the suf­fer­ing of chil­dren” and not tak­ing a stand on the polit­i­cal debate in Italy.

Hmmm you mean to say the media of the left might be spin­ning the Pope to advance their own ends?

Who woulda thunk it? I haven’t been this shocked since I found out there was gam­bling going on at Rick’s Café in Casablanca.

Update 2: Morn­ing Joe found space for this story and the Vat­i­can denial, the Malta story, not so much

Update 3: Via an e-​mail from the Anchoress Jimmy Akin at the National Catholic Reg­is­ter has more includ­ing two crit­i­cal points, one on translation:

4) This trans­la­tion has “my mother’s fiancé,” not “my mother’s girl­friend.” Could that indi­cate he’s talk­ing about a het­ero­sex­ual couple?

The AFP story used the trans­la­tion, “my mother’s girl­friend,” as we saw above.

The Eng­lish trans­la­tion we are quot­ing from here was pro­duced by Fr. Don­ald Mal­dari, S.J., who used the term fiancé.

If the trans­la­tion “fiancé” (a man engaged to be mar­ried) were cor­rect, Pope Fran­cis would be refer­ring to the daugh­ter of a woman who is plan­ning mar­riage with a man (pre­sum­ably after divorce, annul­ment, or widowhood).

If the trans­la­tion “girl­friend” is cor­rect, it would indi­cate the daugh­ter of a woman who has a les­bian lover.

and intent:

6) He’s not sug­gest­ing that the Church should change its teach­ings on homo­sex­u­al­ity or divorce?

No. He’s talk­ing about how to present the Church’s teach­ing to chil­dren in a way that ulti­mately leads them to embrace the full­ness of Chris­t­ian teaching.

He’s not talk­ing about lop­ping of bits of that teach­ing that are incon­ve­nient in a mod­ern setting.

Because many chil­dren have par­ents today that are pub­licly liv­ing in unions con­trary to Chris­t­ian teach­ing, there is a real prob­lem in terms of how to com­mu­ni­cate Chris­t­ian teach­ing to them in a way that does not alien­ate them from the Church.

This is what he means when he says: “We must be care­ful not to admin­is­ter a vac­cine against faith to them.”

It’s a tough prob­lem worth the church’s full attention.

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On Jan 3rd I commented on a story where the Holy Father encouraged the Bishop of Malta to speak against “Gay Adoption” in his country and disagreed with Popewatch that this would be the breaking point with the left and the media:

The problem is this is still an election year in America and if the left is seen as systematically attacking the first Latin American Pope it will not play well.

I predict while some uber advocates will push it the mainstream will ignore the story after all it’s likely the only thing anyone on the left knows about Malta is lesbian porn star Magdalene St. Michaels was born there.

Well two days later a story concerning the Pope, gays and children has made the mainstream and as predicted it’s not the one I mentioned before:

Pope Francis has called for a rethink in the way the Catholic Church deals with the children of gay couples and divorced parents, warning against “administering a vaccine against faith”.

If you search on the net it’s everywhere from GMA news to  NBC and the story is the same whereever you go:

I remember a case in which a sad little girl confessed to her teacher: ‘my mother’s girlfriend doesn’t love me’,” he was quoted as saying, according to AFP. Due to the Church’s opposition to homosexuality, same-sex marriage and divorce, these children may feel unwelcome, the pontiff — who has garnered a reputation for his efforts toward greater inclusion — indicated.

“We must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them,” Francis added.

There is one other thing that is the same, nobody seems to have a link to the actual speech that the reports say was given in November of last year.  There is no sign of the speech anywhere in any language, an oddity since the Vatican site put everything out there in many different languages.  For example this is page for last November speeches.

Without the actual speech the context of what the Pope is saying is totally lost.

Now to faithful Catholics the obvious interpretation is the Pope makes the point that the sin of the parents can’t stand between the message of Christ and their children as it says in Luke  18:16-17

Jesus, however, called the children to himself and said, “Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it.”

However the pitch the media is giving is totally different, suggesting the Pope is no longer things Gay Marriage and or Adoption or even divorce is a big deal.  As if the Malta story never happened.

The reason is there is a narrative to be created to try to divide the conservatives away from the church and to suggest to Latino’s that the Pope is with the cultural left on issues because the alternative is to attack the first Latin American Pope and generate anger.

There are a lot of low information voters that are going to fall for this nonsense, but any conservative Catholic who buys into the media BS should be ashamed of themselves for being a sucker.

Update:  The Vatican has issued a strong denial

Italian media on Sunday ran headlines saying the pope’s words were an opening to legal provision for civil unions for gay couples, a subject of debate in Italy.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told Vatican Radio that media interpretations were “paradoxical” and a “manipulation” of the pope’s words, particularly as some media quoted him as speaking specifically of homosexual unions, which he did not.

Lombardi said the pope was merely “alluding to the suffering of children” and not taking a stand on the political debate in Italy.

Hmmm you mean to say the media of the left might be spinning the Pope to advance their own ends?

Who woulda thunk it?  I haven’t been this shocked since I found out there was gambling going on at Rick’s Cafe in Casablanca.

Update 2:  Morning Joe found space for this story and the Vatican denial, the Malta story, not so much

Update 3: Via an e-mail from the Anchoress Jimmy Akin at the National Catholic Register has more including two critical points, one on translation:

4) This translation has “my mother’s fiancé,” not “my mother’s girlfriend.” Could that indicate he’s talking about a heterosexual couple?

The AFP story used the translation, “my mother’s girlfriend,” as we saw above.

The English translation we are quoting from here was produced by Fr. Donald Maldari, S.J., who used the term fiancé.

If the translation “fiancé” (a man engaged to be married) were correct, Pope Francis would be referring to the daughter of a woman who is planning marriage with a man (presumably after divorce, annulment, or widowhood).

If the translation “girlfriend” is correct, it would indicate the daughter of a woman who has a lesbian lover.

and intent:

6) He’s not suggesting that the Church should change its teachings on homosexuality or divorce?

No. He’s talking about how to present the Church’s teaching to children in a way that ultimately leads them to embrace the fullness of Christian teaching.

He’s not talking about lopping of bits of that teaching that are inconvenient in a modern setting.

Because many children have parents today that are publicly living in unions contrary to Christian teaching, there is a real problem in terms of how to communicate Christian teaching to them in a way that does not alienate them from the Church.

This is what he means when he says: “We must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them.”

It’s a tough problem worth the church’s full attention.

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