Chris Christie & the Ongoing Cost of Bill Clinton

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Chris Christie & the Ongoing Cost of Bill Clinton

Robin: Those I kill die from mis­us­ing the trust that Richard left with them. And the worst of these is Richard’s own brother.

King Richard (in dis­guise): Oh! Then you blame Prince John.

Robin: No, I blame Richard.

The Adven­tures of Robin Hood 1938

But I want to say one thing to the Amer­i­can peo­ple, I want you to lis­ten to me, I’m going to say this again. I did not have sex­ual rela­tions with that woman, Miss. Lewin­sky. I never told any­one to lie, not a sin­gle time, ever. These alle­ga­tions are false and I need to go back to work for the Amer­i­can Peo­ple. Thank you!

Pres­i­dent Bill Clinton

Yes­ter­day on DaT­e­chGuy on DaRa­dio dur­ing Da Mag­nif­i­cent Panel we were (sur­prise, sur­prise) dis­cussing Chris Christie and the bridge busi­ness. The sub­ject of the nev­erend­ing press con­fer­ence came up and the ques­tion became what this the right move. It cre­ated an incred­i­ble con­trast to the pres­i­dent so much so that Media Mat­ters lit­er­ally argued that the GOP would use that con­trast to attack the pres­i­dent, which by an odd coin­ci­dence is exactly what I had already advised them to do.

The con­sen­sus was that polit­i­cally Christie did what he had to do. A strong denial and answer­ing ques­tions to the point where no mem­ber of the press could pre­tend he was ducking.

In the mid­dle of the dis­cus­sion a ter­ri­ble thought occurred to me. What Christie did was clearly the right polit­i­cal move if he was wasn’t involved, but what if he was up to it to his neck?

What if Christie is just a self cen­tered bas­tard who only wants to save his job and his pos­si­ble prospects for a White House bid at all costs? If that was the case and his goal then polit­i­cally, what is the right move?

I asked the ques­tion and the gen­eral agree­ment was the right polit­i­cal move was exactly what he did..

The move would be to do what he did, use the power of his office to delay any dis­clo­sure, insist he already answered all the ques­tions (and point to the length of the press con­fer­ence in his case to back it up) and count on any party offi­cials who know oth­er­wise to keep silent and aides to do so to on the the­ory that pols don’t hire peo­ple who sell them.

Now there was a time when such a brazen dis­hon­or­able cal­cu­la­tion was extremely rare. James Cur­ley for exam­ple used that cal­cu­la­tion to keep Tip O’Neill quiet after steal­ing a party elec­tion from him. That silence paid off for Tip. It launched O’Neill rise in lead­er­ship first in Mass­a­chu­setts, turn­ing it blue and then in the House lead­ing to his speakership.

But even in Curley’s case his actions (he arranged for the num­bers in a party elec­tion to be trans­posed so O’Neills results were reported as Curley’s & vice versa) wasn’t pub­lic knowl­edge, O’Neill dropped the fight before it became pub­lic knowl­edge, Cur­ley was never put in the posi­tion to lie directly to the gen­eral pub­lic over his acts.

Instead of grand denials those under sus­pi­cion tended to keep silent to see if the evi­dence would come out or a party lead­ers or big donors would approach the per­son pri­vately and say some­thing like:

“Lis­ten you can’t take the party down with you, make your apolo­gies, resign and at best we can slowly reha­bil­i­tate you and at worse will take care of you.”

Maybe that con­ver­sa­tion would come at the start of the scan­dal if the party knew there was some there there, maybe it would come father down the road when it became clear that the press or inves­ti­ga­tor would find the truth or, maybe like with Nixon when the smok­ing guns prov­ing direct lies to the peo­ple came out back­ers would approach him and say bluntly: Sorry we just can’t back you up anymore …

…then came Bill Clinton.

Bill Clin­ton for those too young used an impres­sion­able young intern for sex in the white house abus­ing his posi­tion as pres­i­dent (what in the pri­vate sec­tor would be con­sid­ered sex­ual harass­ment). When it came out he lied directly to the Amer­i­can peo­ple, lied under oath in court and even lied to his advis­ers (if you believe his advis­ers that is). When Ken­neth Starr was appointed to inves­ti­gate his and his advis­ers obstructed the inves­ti­ga­tion at every turn the party ener­gized activists to defend him (That where Move on​.org came from) and you actu­ally had the Newsweek blog (sorry I mean mag­a­zine, it wasn’t just online then) sit­ting on evi­dence that was even­tu­ally leaked to Drudge.

Yet when the Starr Report came out and the vote for impeach­ment was com­ing, while repub­li­can after repub­li­cans took the time to read the report and the evi­dence that was sub­mit­ted to them but not the pub­lic at the time, not a sin­gle demo­c­rat in the house did the same. They didn’t want to know.

And when the impeach­ment vote came and went against him in the house ( coin­ci­den­tally the pres­i­dent decided that was a per­fect time to launch a mis­sile strike on Iraq) Democ­rats en masse lined up behind Bill Clin­ton as Al Gore pro­nounced him “One of our great­est pres­i­dents” in a press event at the while house.

The party didn’t tell him to leave, the Democ­rats many still in con­gress didn’t reject him and he not only sur­vived his trial in the Sen­ate but is still cel­e­brated by the left and the media to this day.

Remem­ber this was the pres­i­dent. If sex­ual harass­ment in the White House lying to the Amer­i­can people’s face and doing the same under oath to a grand jury doesn’t dis­qual­ify you from the White House or the sup­port of your party & activists why would any such behav­ior dis­qual­ify a per­son from any lesser office.

And peo­ple won­der why folks like Fil­ner & Weiner fig­ured they could get away with it and why the occu­pant of this White House doesn’t worry about the scan­dals from Beng­hazi to the IRS?

I don’t know if Chris Christie was directly involved in those lane clo­sures in New Jer­sey. His deci­sion to fire prin­ci­ples involved rather than like Nixon in Water­gate becom­ing involved via a coverup would sug­gest otherwise.

But if he was involved, and got up and lied through is teeth to the Amer­i­can peo­ple and you won­der why he thought he could get away with it, you need to look no father than Pres­i­dent Bill Clin­ton and all those who enabled him, includ­ing the Amer­i­can People.

Update: The video for those too young to remember:

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It’s Sun­day, a new week which is a good thing because the last two weeks have not been very successful.

Well that’s not entirely true, we’ve had fair traf­fic but not only have we failed to make goal to secure the mort­gage and pay DaM­ag­nif­i­cent Seven plus our new vil­lager the first two weeks com­bined didn’t man­age to come up to a sin­gle week’s goal

But we’re back again, with a $345 goal for the week to try and start to move the ball for­ward toward get­ting the mort­gage and the writ­ers paid this month.

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Once we man­age that then we’ll worry about catch­ing up on the ground we’re behind.

Of course if we can get 58 14 more sub­scribers @ at $20 a month the bills will be paid every week and the prob­lem will be solved on a more per­ma­nent basis.

What do you say?




Robin: Those I kill die from misusing the trust that Richard left with them. And the worst of these is Richard’s own brother.

King Richard (in disguise): Oh! Then you blame Prince John.

Robin: No, I blame Richard.

The Adventures of Robin Hood 1938

But I want to say one thing to the American people, I want you to listen to me, I’m going to say this again.  I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss. Lewinsky.  I never told anyone to lie, not a single time, ever.  These allegations are false and  I need to go back to work for the American People.  Thank you!

President Bill Clinton

Yesterday on DaTechGuy on DaRadio during Da Magnificent Panel we were (surprise, surprise) discussing Chris Christie and the bridge business. The subject of the neverending press conference came up and the question became what this the right move.  It created an incredible contrast to the president so much so that Media Matters literally argued that the GOP would use that contrast to attack the president, which by an odd coincidence is exactly what I had already advised them to do.

The consensus was that politically Christie did what he had to do. A strong denial and  answering questions to the point where no member of the press could pretend he was ducking.

 

In the middle of the discussion a terrible thought occurred to me. What Christie did was clearly the right political move if he was wasn’t involved, but what if he was up to it to his neck?

What if Christie is just a self centered bastard who only wants to save his job and his possible prospects for a White House bid at all costs?  If that was the case and his goal then politically, what is the right move?

I asked the question and the general agreement was the right political move was exactly what he did..

The move would be to do what he did, use the power of his office to delay any disclosure, insist he already answered all the questions (and point to the length of the press conference in his case to back it up) and count on any party officials who know otherwise to keep silent and aides to do so to on the theory that pols don’t hire people who sell them.

Now there was a time when such a brazen dishonorable calculation was extremely rare.   James Curley for example used that calculation to keep Tip O’Neill quiet after stealing a party election from him.  That silence paid off for Tip.  It launched O’Neill rise in leadership first in Massachusetts, turning it blue and then in the House leading to his speakership.

But even in Curley’s case his actions (he arranged for the numbers in a party election to be transposed so O’Neills results were reported as Curley’s & vice versa) wasn’t public knowledge, O’Neill dropped the fight before it became public knowledge, Curley was never put in the position to lie directly to the general public over his acts.

Instead of grand denials those under suspicion tended to keep silent to see if the evidence would come out or a party leaders or big donors would approach the person privately  and say something like:

“Listen you can’t take the party down with you, make your apologies, resign and at best we can slowly rehabilitate you and at worse will take care of you.”

Maybe that conversation would come at the start of the scandal if the party knew there was some there there, maybe it would come father down the road when it became clear that the press or investigator would find the truth or,  maybe like with Nixon when the smoking guns proving direct lies to the people came out backers would approach him and say bluntly:  Sorry we just can’t back you up anymore …

…then came Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton for those too young used an impressionable young intern for sex in the white house abusing his position as president (what in the private sector would be considered sexual harassment).  When it came out he lied directly to the American people, lied under oath in court and even lied to his advisers (if you believe his advisers that is).  When Kenneth Starr was appointed to investigate his and his advisers obstructed the investigation at every turn the party energized activists to defend him (That where Move on.org came from) and you actually had the Newsweek blog (sorry I mean magazine, it wasn’t just online then) sitting on evidence that was eventually leaked to Drudge.

Yet when the Starr Report came out and the vote for impeachment was coming, while republican after republicans took the time to read the report and the evidence that was submitted to them but not the public at the time,  not a single democrat in the house did the same.  They didn’t want to know.

And when the impeachment vote came and went against him in the house ( coincidentally the president decided that was a perfect time to launch a missile strike on Iraq)  Democrats en masse lined up behind Bill Clinton as Al Gore pronounced him “One of our greatest presidents” in a press event at the while house.

The party didn’t tell him to leave, the Democrats many still in congress didn’t reject him and he not only survived his trial in the Senate but is still celebrated by the left and the media to this day.

Remember this was the president.  If sexual harassment in the White House lying to the American people’s face and doing the same under oath to a grand jury doesn’t disqualify you from the White House or the support of your party & activists why would any such behavior disqualify a person from any lesser office.

And people wonder why folks like Filner & Weiner figured they could get away with it and why the occupant of this White House doesn’t worry about the scandals from Benghazi to the IRS?

I don’t know if Chris Christie was directly involved in those lane closures in New Jersey.  His decision to fire principles involved rather than like Nixon in Watergate becoming involved via a coverup  would suggest otherwise.

But if he was involved, and got up and lied through is teeth to the American people and you wonder why he thought he could get away with it, you need to look no father than President Bill Clinton and all those who enabled him, including the American People.

Update:  The video for those too young to remember:

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Olimometer 2.52

It’s Sunday, a new week which is a good thing because the last two weeks have not been very successful.

Well that’s not entirely true, we’ve had fair traffic but not only have we failed to make goal to secure the mortgage and pay DaMagnificent Seven plus our new villager the first two weeks combined didn’t manage to come up to a single week’s goal

But we’re back again, with a $345 goal for the week to try and start to move the ball forward toward getting the mortgage and the writers paid this month.

Olimometer 2.52

Once we manage that then we’ll worry about catching up on the ground we’re behind.

Of course if we can get 58 1/4 more subscribers @ at $20 a month the bills will be paid every week and the problem will be solved on a more permanent basis.

What do you say?