McCain Myerson Communism and the perspective of age

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McCain Myerson Communism and the perspective of age

One of the dan­gers of youth is their expe­ri­ence only stretches as far back as their par­ents & to some degree their teach­ers memories.

If you are like an aver­age kid, par­tic­u­larly in an inter­net & video game world you don’t gain a big inter­est in pol­i­tics or cur­rent events until you reach at least 12 and even then comes the joys of puberty where you begin to dis­cover the oppo­site sex which likely would delay it further.

Now if your par­ents or grand­par­ents have such an inter­est you might start a tad early and have the ben­e­fit of their sto­ries which might cause you to dig but in the end your direct expe­ri­ence in the real­i­ties of the world likely doesn’t go back beyond say age 10.

I’ve debated a lot of young lib­er­als in their 20’s 30’s born dur­ing the late Rea­gan to Early Clin­ton Years whose first mem­o­ries of any­thing polit­i­cal are the pros­per­ity of the late Clin­ton years or 911. Their grand­par­ents are baby boomers and their par­ents chil­dren of the 60 or 70’s and their pro­fes­sors & text­books are writ­ten by the suc­ces­sors of the 60’s rad­i­cals who stormed the edu­ca­tional sys­tem post Vietnam.

I was born in 1963 but my par­ents were born in 1921 & 1924, my grand­par­ents were born in the late 1800’s and my old­est sib­ling was born in 1948. Because of this I gained a per­spec­tive on com­ing to Amer­ica with­out the abil­ity to read, write or speak the lan­guage (from my Grand­mother), the great depres­sion (my mother picked dan­de­lions from the front line to boil greens) , Pro­hi­bi­tion (my grand­fa­ther made his own wine & had to hide it) World War 2 (my father served in the pacific) and the cold war of the 50’s. When I was a kid my broth­ers were sub­ject to the Viet­nam draft and when I was 10 the Water­gate hear­ings were in full swing and I was hooked.

Now if I & my par­ents & grand­par­ents were born 25 years later my mem­o­ries & per­spec­tives would be totally dif­fer­ent at age 10 the Clin­ton impeach­ment would be going on, My par­ents would not have known the depres­sion & World War 2, I’d have no mem­ory of the Cold war and if there was any mil­i­tary ser­vice involved in the fam­ily it would have been in Vietnam.

And just as impor­tant the his­to­ries I would have had in school & the books I would have been taught from would be of the same hand as the young rad­i­cals of today I cur­rently debate.

That age and those expe­ri­ences give me a per­cep­tion on the real­i­ties of poverty, war and com­mu­nism that a younger per­son lacks.

Which brings us to Stacy McCain and his debate with the young and igno­rant Jesse Myer­son on the evils of communism.

Stacy is 2 years older than me with a his­tory of ser­vice in his fam­ily that he hon­ors. I’ve crashed in his old house and like own home it’s a cor­nu­copia of books and knowl­edge (only Mike Rogers of Gran­ite Grok has a more impres­sive col­lec­tion that I’ve seen) and more impor­tantly those books were well-​worn from read­ing and reference.

Stacy not only has a mem­ory of the cold war but the per­spec­tive and knowl­edge to back it up so when some­one fool­ishly speaks of Com­mu­nism as a pos­i­tive good and of the mass mur­der­ing sovi­ets as not true rep­re­sen­ta­tives he brings you this:

“[T]here is only one way in which the mur­der­ous death ago­nies of the old soci­ety and the bloody birth throes of the new soci­ety can be short­ened, sim­pli­fied and con­cen­trated, and that way is rev­o­lu­tion­ary ter­ror.”
Karl Marx, 1848

and this:

A rev­o­lu­tion is cer­tainly the most author­i­tar­ian thing there is … And the vic­to­ri­ous party must main­tain its rule by means of the ter­ror which its arms inspire in the reac­tionar­ies.”
Friedrich Engels, 1872

Mind you these aren’t the quotes of a Lenin or a Trot­sky (which Stacy sup­plies as well) nor the quotes of a Stalin or a Mao who out­did both of them in mass slaugh­ter. These are the words from the founders of the idea of com­mu­nism them­selves who can not be pre­sumed to be false rep­re­sen­ta­tives of the phi­los­o­phy they founded. As Stacy puts it.

Communism’s explicit and enthu­si­as­tic embrace of vio­lent “rev­o­lu­tion­ary ter­ror” is among the many facts that self-​described com­mu­nist Jesse Myer­son seeks to ignore or evade in pre­tend­ing to cor­rect our “huge mis­con­cep­tions about com­mu­nism.”.

That mis­con­cep­tion is eas­ily cleared if you speak to some­one who vis­ited Soviet Rus­sia in the old days such as Roger Simon whose left­ist beliefs at the time of his trip didn’t stop him from see­ing what was right before his eyes:

Lefty though I was, how­ever, it didn’t stop me from see­ing the USSR, almost from arrival, as a giant jail. Min­ders, i.e., spies, were every­where. And I mean EVERY­WHERE. It was prac­ti­cally the national occu­pa­tion. It was how they solved their unem­ploy­ment problem.

I remem­ber sit­ting in the lobby of the Hotel Cos­mos, a decay­ing pseudo-​futurist joint replete with model sput­niks for chan­de­liers, when Laura Grimaldi, the Ital­ian del­e­gate, leaned over to me and said, “Watch this.” (We had been talk­ing about the plethora of spies.) She then pro­ceeded to stand and walk across the huge lobby toward the rest rooms. Three babushka ladies with brooms and buck­ets, each one in sep­a­rate cor­ners of the room, imme­di­ately stopped what they were doing, propped their brooms against the wall, and headed after her straight into the ladies’ room. As soon as Laura was fin­ished, they fol­lowed her out again and duly resumed sweep­ing. It was sort of like a silent com­edy, but it was the Soviet Union in a nutshell.

Or a Clara Csiong who had the dis­plea­sure of feel­ing from two dif­fer­ent com­mu­nist regimes in her lifetime

It’s no coin­ci­dence that she would now be a mem­ber of the tea party because as opposed to the fan­tasy ver­sion of Com­mu­nism that Mr. Myer­son advances in Com­mu­nism as Stacy Point out…

not only do the rich peo­ple lose their wealth, but every­body else is doomed to hope­less poverty and — oh, yes, by the way — your com­mu­nist rulers might decide to kill you and a few mil­lion other peo­ple, just so nobody for­gets who’s in charge…

…Did I men­tion that Jesse Myerson’s orig­i­nal claim to fame was as “media coor­di­na­tor” for Occupy Wall Street?

Nor is it a sur­prise that Clara would be on the oppo­site side of Mr. Myer­son after all Com­mu­nism is all about class strug­gle and Myer­son knows about the upper classes:

Why do these neo-​communists always have to attend elite pri­vate schools? Jesse Myer­son attended Bard Col­lege (annual tuition $45,730) where he majored in the­ater and “human rights studies.”

Why would Myer­son pay so much to attend an elite school in Annan­dale when, a half-​hour drive away in Pough­keep­sie, Dutchess Com­mu­nity Col­lege boasts that it offers “the low­est tuition in New York state,” just $3,200 a year? After a cou­ple years get­ting your associate’s degree at DCC, then you could trans­fer to a SUNY cam­pus — say, Albany, about an hour’s drive from Annan­dale — where annual tuition is $5,800.

Although I don’t know if Bard Col­lege requires any math classes to get a degree in human rights, by my cal­cu­la­tions, the dif­fer­ence in tuition between attend­ing Bard ($182,920 for four years) and going the DCC/​SUNY-​Albany route ($18,000) is $164,920.

Sav­ing your­self $164,920 in tuition might not put you into the 1%, but it sure will buy a lot of rice and beans, so …

Why did Jesse Myer­son go to Bard? Because he’s bet­ter than you.

To some degree given his youth and edu­ca­tion Mr. Myer­son lack of knowl­edge is to be expected. At his age he wouldn’t have vis­ited a com­mu­nist state at the height of its oppres­sion like a Roger Simon. But he was cer­tainly around to see this CNN story from last month:)

BBC jour­nal­ist Mar­tin Patience lived up to his name today. While cov­er­ing the trial of Chi­nese activist Xu Zhiy­ong in Bei­jing, Patience was harassed by police offi­cers and plain­clothes thugs. But he kept his cool and con­tin­ued with his live shot.

and this video

and this tweet

He might not have been old enough to have worked with some­one who escaped Soviet Rus­sia as I did in my first post col­lege job but he is cer­tainly young enough to meet some­one who sur­vived the Tianan­men Square protests after they were ruth­lessly crushed or per­haps seen this video on YouTube of the live coverage.

and Clara Csiong was sit­ting right in front of the Cap­i­tal in Sept 2010. I was blog­ging for less than a year when I found her, surely a per­son pub­lished in Salon or on National TV could to or at least like Stacy McCain who was also there post on or watch her inter­view.

This is one of the rea­sons why I engage with young Dominic Nanni. He is still a grad­u­ate stu­dent cur­rently on the Myer­son path which is devoid of this per­spec­tive but I have hope he can be made to see com­mu­nism as it was is and always will be.

As for Mr. Myerson’s igno­rance as a pro­fes­sional it’s not to be excused and if he can get by Stacy’s barbs it’s some­thing that can be mended by expo­sure to the facts that Stacy and to a lesser extent I have provided.…

…unless of course it is not igno­rance, but just bat­tle­field prepa­ra­tion that he is engag­ing in. He may in fact actu­ally know the true his­tory of Com­mu­nism, oppres­sion and mur­der and as an elite push­ing for that sys­tem trusts that he will be one of those whose job is to remind the rest of us who is in charge.

That’s the dif­fer­ence between the igno­rant and the evil.

Update: Did I actu­ally men­tion the evils of com­mu­nism with­out bring­ing up Cuba, here are two blasts from this blog’s past that Myer­son might have missed

April 3rd 2012

In pri­vate, the func­tionar­ies appeared open, tol­er­ant and desirous of deep reforms that would include the polit­i­cal arena. One of them even admit­ted that a mul­ti­party sys­tem and free elec­tions were essen­tial for soci­ety to truly advance toward moder­nity — even if the com­mu­nists lost power.

But as soon as some­one else joined the con­ver­sa­tion or the jour­nal­ists appeared, the offi­cials reprised the most inflex­i­ble and Stal­in­ist ortho­dox dis­course, par­rot­ing the offi­cial script with­out leav­ing out a sin­gle comma. It was a painful spectacle.

This is the most telling thing of all, that the peo­ple are repressed is not news, but that the gov­ern­ment func­tionar­ies live in fear says every­thing. They know where they will end up if they seem to be devi­at­ing, even slightly from the Com­mu­nist line.

March 18th 2009 Cuba puts the “cage” in bat­ting cages

Cuba is one of the few coun­tries in the world that pro­hibits its cit­i­zens from leav­ing with­out gov­ern­ment per­mis­sion, a vio­la­tion of the United Nations Uni­ver­sal Dec­la­ra­tion of Human Rights. Because Cuba’s ath­letic teams com­pete inter­na­tion­ally the par­tic­i­pants are con­stantly shad­owed by mem­bers of Cuba’s state secu­rity appa­ra­tus. The pri­mary objec­tive of Cuban state secu­rity is to pre­vent defec­tions which embar­rass the Cas­tro régime and deplete the coun­try of ath­letic talent.

Because noth­ing says “Com­mu­nism is great” like hav­ing to guard your national team when it trav­els in case they run away.

and just last year Dec 4th 2013 Fausta reminded us the arrest machine goes on

Cuba’s Com­mu­nist régime con­tin­ues to oppress its peo­ple – with 761 polit­i­cal arrests just last month – it extorts and jails for­eign­ers, and it’s our hemisphere’s go-​to place for sex tourism with minors.

Oppres­sion isn’t a bug of failed com­mu­nism, it’s a fea­ture of it done right.

Update 2: Some­how this post was listed as “pri­vate” fixed.


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One of the dangers of youth is their experience only stretches as far back as their parents & to some degree their teachers memories.

If you are like an average kid, particularly in an internet & video game world you don’t gain a big interest in politics or current events until you reach at least 12 and even then comes the joys of puberty where you begin to discover the opposite sex which likely would delay it further.

Now if your parents or grandparents have such an interest you might start a tad early and have the benefit of their stories which might cause you to dig but in the end your direct experience in the realities of the world likely doesn’t go back beyond say age 10.

I’ve debated a lot of young liberals in their 20’s 30’s born during the late Reagan to Early Clinton Years whose first memories of anything political are the prosperity of the late Clinton years or 9/11. Their grandparents are baby boomers and their parents children of the 60 or 70’s and their professors & textbooks are written by the successors of the 60’s radicals who stormed the educational system post Vietnam.

I was born in 1963 but my parents were born in 1921 & 1924, my grandparents were born in the late 1800’s and my oldest sibling was born in 1948. Because of this I gained a perspective on coming to America without the ability to read, write or speak the language (from my Grandmother), the great depression (my mother picked dandelions from the front line to boil greens) , Prohibition (my grandfather made his own wine & had to hide it) World War 2 (my father served in the pacific) and the cold war of the 50’s. When I was a kid my brothers were subject to the Vietnam draft and when I was 10 the Watergate hearings were in full swing and I was hooked.

Now if I & my parents & grandparents were born 25 years later my memories & perspectives would be totally different at age 10 the Clinton impeachment would be going on, My parents would not have known the depression & World War 2, I’d have no memory of the Cold war and if there was any military service involved in the family it would have been in Vietnam.

And just as important the histories I would have had in school & the books I would have been taught from would be of the same hand as the young radicals of today I currently debate.

That age and those experiences give me a perception on the realities of poverty, war and communism that a younger person lacks.

Which brings us to Stacy McCain and his debate with the young and ignorant Jesse Myerson on the evils of communism.

Stacy is 2 years older than me with a history of service in his family that he honors. I’ve crashed in his old house and like own home it’s a cornucopia of books and knowledge (only Mike Rogers of Granite Grok has a more impressive collection that I’ve seen) and more importantly those books were well-worn from reading and reference.

Stacy not only has a memory of the cold war but the perspective and knowledge to back it up so when someone foolishly speaks of Communism as a positive good and of the mass murdering soviets as not true representatives he brings you this:

“[T]here is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”
Karl Marx, 1848

and this:

A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is … And the victorious party must maintain its rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionaries.”
Friedrich Engels, 1872

Mind you these aren’t the quotes of a Lenin or a Trotsky  (which Stacy supplies as well) nor the quotes of a Stalin or a Mao who outdid both of them in mass slaughter.  These are the words from the founders of the idea of communism themselves who can not be presumed to be false representatives of the philosophy they founded.  As Stacy puts it.

Communism’s explicit and enthusiastic embrace of violent “revolutionary terror” is among the many facts that self-described communist Jesse Myerson seeks to ignore or evade in pretending to correct our “huge misconceptions about communism.”.

That misconception is easily cleared if you speak to someone who visited Soviet Russia in the old days such as Roger Simon whose leftist beliefs at the time of his trip didn’t stop him from seeing what was right before his eyes:

Lefty though I was, however, it didn’t stop me from seeing the USSR, almost from arrival, as a giant jail.  Minders, i.e., spies, were everywhere. And I mean EVERYWHERE.  It was practically the national occupation. It was how they solved their unemployment problem.

I remember sitting in the lobby of the Hotel Cosmos, a decaying pseudo-futurist joint replete with model sputniks for chandeliers, when Laura Grimaldi, the Italian delegate, leaned over to me and said, “Watch this.”  (We had been talking about the plethora of spies.)  She then proceeded to stand and walk across the huge lobby toward the rest rooms.  Three babushka ladies with brooms and buckets, each one in separate  corners of the room, immediately stopped what they were doing, propped their brooms against the wall, and headed after her straight into the ladies’ room. As soon as Laura was finished, they followed her out again and duly resumed sweeping. It was sort of like a silent comedy, but it was the Soviet Union in a nutshell.

Or a Clara Csiong who had the displeasure of feeling from two different communist regimes in her lifetime

It’s no coincidence that she would now be a member of the tea party because as opposed to the fantasy version of Communism that Mr. Myerson advances in Communism as Stacy Point out…

not only do the rich people lose their wealth, but everybody else is doomed to hopeless poverty and — oh, yes, by the way — your communist rulers might decide to kill you and a few million other people, just so nobody forgets who’s in charge…

…Did I mention that Jesse Myerson’s original claim to fame was as “media coordinator” for Occupy Wall Street?

Nor is it a surprise that Clara would be on the opposite side of Mr. Myerson after all Communism is all about class struggle and Myerson knows about the upper classes:

Why do these neo-communists always have to attend elite private schools? Jesse Myerson attended Bard College (annual tuition $45,730) where he majored in theater and “human rights studies.”

Why would Myerson pay so much to attend an elite school in Annandale when, a half-hour drive away in Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Community College boasts that it offers “the lowest tuition in New York state,” just $3,200 a year? After a couple years getting your associate’s degree at DCC, then you could transfer to a SUNY campus — say, Albany, about an hour’s drive from Annandale — where annual tuition is $5,800.

Although I don’t know if Bard College requires any math classes to get a degree in human rights, by my calculations, the difference in tuition between attending Bard ($182,920 for four years) and going the DCC/SUNY-Albany route ($18,000) is $164,920.

Saving yourself $164,920 in tuition might not put you into the 1%, but it sure will buy a lot of rice and beans, so . . .

Why did Jesse Myerson go to Bard? Because he’s better than you.

To some degree given his youth and education Mr. Myerson lack of knowledge is to be expected. At his age he wouldn’t have visited a communist state at the height of its oppression like a Roger Simon. But he was certainly around to see this CNN story from last month:)

BBC journalist Martin Patience lived up to his name today. While covering the trial of Chinese activist Xu Zhiyong in Beijing, Patience was harassed by police officers and plainclothes thugs. But he kept his cool and continued with his live shot.

and this video

and this tweet

 

He might not have been old enough to have worked with someone who escaped Soviet Russia as I did in my first post college job but he is certainly young enough to meet someone who survived the Tiananmen Square protests after they were ruthlessly crushed or perhaps seen this video on YouTube of the live coverage.

and Clara Csiong was sitting right in front of the Capital in Sept 2010. I was blogging for less than a year when I found her, surely a person published in Salon or on National TV could to or at least like Stacy McCain who was also there post on or watch her interview.

This is one of the reasons why I engage with young Dominic Nanni. He is still a graduate student currently on the Myerson path which is devoid of this perspective but I have hope he can be made to see communism as it was is and always will be.

As for Mr. Myerson’s ignorance as a professional it’s not to be excused and if he can get by Stacy’s barbs it’s something that can be mended by exposure to the facts that Stacy and to a lesser extent I have provided….

…unless of course it is not ignorance, but just battlefield preparation that he is engaging in. He may in fact actually know the true history of Communism, oppression and murder and as an elite pushing for that system trusts that he will be one of those whose job is to remind the rest of us who is in charge.

That’s the difference between the ignorant and the evil.

Update: Did I actually mention the evils of communism without bringing up Cuba, here are two blasts from this blog’s past that Myerson might have missed

April 3rd 2012

In private, the functionaries appeared open, tolerant and desirous of deep reforms that would include the political arena. One of them even admitted that a multiparty system and free elections were essential for society to truly advance toward modernity — even if the communists lost power.

But as soon as someone else joined the conversation or the journalists appeared, the officials reprised the most inflexible and Stalinist orthodox discourse, parroting the official script without leaving out a single comma. It was a painful spectacle.

This is the most telling thing of all, that the people are repressed is not news, but that the government functionaries live in fear says everything. They know where they will end up if they seem to be deviating, even slightly from the Communist line.

March 18th 2009 Cuba puts the “cage” in batting cages

Cuba is one of the few countries in the world that prohibits its citizens from leaving without government permission, a violation of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Because Cuba’s athletic teams compete internationally the participants are constantly shadowed by members of Cuba’s state security apparatus. The primary objective of Cuban state security is to prevent defections which embarrass the Castro regime and deplete the country of athletic talent.

Because nothing says “Communism is great” like having to guard your national team when it travels in case they run away.

and just last year Dec 4th 2013 Fausta reminded us the arrest machine goes on

Cuba’s Communist regime continues to oppress its people – with 761 political arrests just last month – it extorts and jails foreigners, and it’s our hemisphere’s go-to place for sex tourism with minors.

Oppression isn’t a bug of failed communism, it’s a feature of it done right.

Update 2: Somehow this post was listed as “private” fixed.


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