Attn GOP : The Tea Party does not Consist of Low Information Voters

by Datechguy | February 14th, 2014

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Attn GOP : The Tea Party does not Consist of Low Information Voters

More news keeps com­ing out con­cern­ing the GOP vote on the debt ceil­ing in the sen­ate and none of it is good:

Roll Call reports

In a major depar­ture from pro­ce­dure dur­ing Wednesday’s cli­mac­tic vote on sus­pend­ing the fed­eral debt limit, the Sen­ate kept some sen­a­tors’ votes secret while the nearly hour­long tally was under way — a move that has drawn sharp crit­i­cism from Capi­tol Hill reporters.

Appar­ently it’s never really been any of our business:

Mar­tin Paone, who spent more than a decade over­see­ing Sen­ate floor oper­a­tions for the Democ­rats, told CQ Roll Call in an email that the vote announce­ment prac­tice known as the recap was designed to help sen­a­tors, not the gen­eral public.

I see the recap … as some­thing that evolved over time for the mem­bers con­ve­nience so they’d know how their col­leagues voted and not for the press though I can see where it can be a use­ful tool,” said Paone, who is now exec­u­tive vice pres­i­dent of Prime Pol­icy Group.

Camp of the Saints is going all Roman on them but what I find most annoy­ing is are the assump­tions these guys are making.

Con­sider this from Byron York’s OP Ed today McConnell saw this vote as a Tac­ti­cal move:

Sen­ate Repub­li­cans met in their weekly lunch a few hours after Boehner’s announce­ment. The short ver­sion of events is that McConnell urged col­leagues to allow a vote on the House debt limit bill. If the GOP did not object, it could be passed with a sim­ple 51-​vote major­ity, and since there are 55 Democ­rats in the Sen­ate who would vote for it, every Repub­li­can could vote against it and it would still pass.

Of course the flip side is that vul­ner­a­ble dems in Red states could vote AGAINST it and parade that vote come Novem­ber but that doesn’t seem to have occurred to anyone

Then Cruz stood up and said there was no way in the world he would stand by and allow a debt ceil­ing increase to be passed with just 51 votes. Cruz insisted on a 60-​vote thresh­old, which the rules allowed him to do. That meant at least five Repub­li­cans would have to join Democ­rats for the debt limit to be raised.

It would be an under­state­ment to say that many of Cruz’s GOP col­leagues were right­eously ticked off at him. Nobody wanted to vote to raise the debt limit, but many believed strongly that a los­ing fight over spend­ing would dam­age the party. Besides, Cruz didn’t even have a plan for what to do had his Repub­li­can col­leagues improb­a­bly decided to go along with him.

That being the case there is no rea­son why they could have not got­ten up on the Sen­ate Floor and say: “I hate this bill, I think it’s the wrong move, but I also think this is not the hill for us to fight on.”

So after some testy exchanges at the lunch, and a lot of nego­ti­at­ing in the after­noon, McConnell and other lead­ers decided to vote for the debt limit increase. Then sev­eral other Repub­li­cans, mostly those in unthreat­ened seats, agreed to vote along with them to pro­vide cover. The bill passed with 12 Repub­li­cans join­ing all 55 Democrats.

Ques­tion: If there were plenty of repub­li­cans in unthreat­ened seats who thought it was needed why didn’t THEY just bite the bul­let? themselves?

Bloomberg laments that the GOP can’t do any­thing a href=“http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014 – 02-14/cruz-senate-stunt-goes-unpunished-as-old-tools-don-t-work.html”>about this

In decades past, lead­ers could rein in such behav­ior by threat­en­ing to take away cov­eted com­mit­tee assign­ments, with­draw­ing finan­cial sup­port, or shun­ning law­mak­ers. None of those tac­tics are effec­tive in a polit­i­cal era in which cam­paign cash flows freely from out­side the party machin­ery and cable out­lets offer many ways to grab atten­tion and influence.

Of course if the party was lis­ten­ing to the base they sup­pos­edly rep­re­sent then those vot­ers would be more will­ing to sup­port the party finan­cially, it’s not like those sen­a­tors work for the peo­ple or anything.

All of these maneu­vers seem to come from a sin­gle mis­con­cep­tion among the GOP leader: They seem to think of the Tea Party base the same way that the Democ­rats think of their base, full of low infor­ma­tion votes.

The low info voter, doesn’t pay atten­tion to bills, doesn’t care about what’s hap­pen­ing today, and can tell you all about the details of Katy Perry in the Strip joint but not only can’t tell you what Harry Reid says in the Well of the Sen­ate Well, but likely thinks the Sen­ate Well is where they keep their water.

That means if Democ­rats need­ing only 51 votes wanted to have a few vote the other way to cover them­selves it’s no big deal, they as Eliz­a­beth Scalia points out only know what the media both­ers to tell them.

The Tea Party voter is different.

They know about the bills, they know about the votes, they often will have actu­ally read bill unlike the rep­re­sen­ta­tives who vote on them. If you go to a Tea Party meet­ing and lis­ten to peo­ple talk, they will get into details on bill and will ask direct ques­tions of reps who turn up to make their case.

More­over they HATE being lied to, if you think this isn’t the hill to die on, they will respect you more for say­ing it up front than try­ing to BS them.

But the most impor­tant thing to remem­ber is they demand respect, they know how pro­ce­dural votes work.

Not only is a poll not going to pull the wool over their eyes by vot­ing one way on the pro­ce­dure that allows a vote to pass and another on a vote that’s a fore­gone con­clu­sion but they will con­sider it an insult that you expect them to fall for it.

Bot­tom line, if you want to get the respect of the Tea Party voter you have to earn it, and hav­ing an “R” after your name isn’t enough to do it.

The sooner the GOP fig­ures that out and acts accord­ingly the bet­ter off they and the coun­try will be.

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More news keeps coming out concerning the GOP vote on the debt ceiling in the senate and none of it is good:

Roll Call reports

In a major departure from procedure during Wednesday’s climactic vote on suspending the federal debt limit, the Senate kept some senators’ votes secret while the nearly hourlong tally was under way — a move that has drawn sharp criticism from Capitol Hill reporters.

Apparently it’s never really been any of our business:

Martin Paone, who spent more than a decade overseeing Senate floor operations for the Democrats, told CQ Roll Call in an email that the vote announcement practice known as the recap was designed to help senators, not the general public.

“I see the recap … as something that evolved over time for the members convenience so they’d know how their colleagues voted and not for the press though I can see where it can be a useful tool,” said Paone, who is now executive vice president of Prime Policy Group.

Camp of the Saints is going all Roman on them but what I find most annoying is are the assumptions these guys are making.

Consider this from Byron York’s OP Ed today McConnell saw this vote as a Tactical move:

Senate Republicans met in their weekly lunch a few hours after Boehner’s announcement. The short version of events is that McConnell urged colleagues to allow a vote on the House debt limit bill. If the GOP did not object, it could be passed with a simple 51-vote majority, and since there are 55 Democrats in the Senate who would vote for it, every Republican could vote against it and it would still pass.

Of course the flip side is that vulnerable dems in Red states could vote AGAINST it and parade that vote come November but that doesn’t seem to have occurred to anyone

Then Cruz stood up and said there was no way in the world he would stand by and allow a debt ceiling increase to be passed with just 51 votes. Cruz insisted on a 60-vote threshold, which the rules allowed him to do. That meant at least five Republicans would have to join Democrats for the debt limit to be raised.

It would be an understatement to say that many of Cruz’s GOP colleagues were righteously ticked off at him. Nobody wanted to vote to raise the debt limit, but many believed strongly that a losing fight over spending would damage the party. Besides, Cruz didn’t even have a plan for what to do had his Republican colleagues improbably decided to go along with him.

That being the case there is no reason why they could have not gotten up on the Senate Floor and say: “I hate this bill, I think it’s the wrong move, but I also think this is not the hill for us to fight on.”

So after some testy exchanges at the lunch, and a lot of negotiating in the afternoon, McConnell and other leaders decided to vote for the debt limit increase. Then several other Republicans, mostly those in unthreatened seats, agreed to vote along with them to provide cover. The bill passed with 12 Republicans joining all 55 Democrats.

Question: If there were plenty of republicans in unthreatened seats who thought it was needed why didn’t THEY just bite the bullet? themselves?

Bloomberg laments that the GOP can’t do anything a href=”http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-14/cruz-senate-stunt-goes-unpunished-as-old-tools-don-t-work.html”>about this

In decades past, leaders could rein in such behavior by threatening to take away coveted committee assignments, withdrawing financial support, or shunning lawmakers. None of those tactics are effective in a political era in which campaign cash flows freely from outside the party machinery and cable outlets offer many ways to grab attention and influence.

Of course if the party was listening to the base they supposedly represent then those voters would be more willing to support the party financially, it’s not like those senators work for the people or anything.

All of these maneuvers seem to come from a single misconception among the GOP leader: They seem to think of the Tea Party base the same way that the Democrats think of their base, full of low information votes.

The low info voter, doesn’t pay attention to bills, doesn’t care about what’s happening today, and can tell you all about the details of Katy Perry in the Strip joint but not only can’t tell you what Harry Reid says in the Well of the Senate Well, but likely thinks the Senate Well is where they keep their water.

That means if Democrats needing only 51 votes wanted to have a few vote the other way to cover themselves it’s no big deal, they as Elizabeth Scalia points out only know what the media bothers to tell them.

The Tea Party voter is different.

They know about the bills, they know about the votes, they often will have actually read bill unlike the representatives who vote on them. If you go to a Tea Party meeting and listen to people talk, they will get into details on bill and will ask direct questions of reps who turn up to make their case.

Moreover they HATE being lied to, if you think this isn’t the hill to die on, they will respect you more for saying it up front than trying to BS them.

But the most important thing to remember is they demand respect, they know how procedural votes work.

Not only is a poll not going to pull the wool over their eyes by voting one way on the procedure that allows a vote to pass and another on a vote that’s a foregone conclusion but they will consider it an insult that you expect them to fall for it.

Bottom line, if you want to get the respect of the Tea Party voter you have to earn it, and having an “R” after your name isn’t enough to do it.

The sooner the GOP figures that out and acts accordingly the better off they and the country will be.

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