I’m with Mike Rogers The Time for a Conservative Party has Come

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I'm with Mike Rogers The Time for a Conservative Party has Come

Mrs Cooper:You know how your daddy used to say that you can only fish for so long before you got to throw a stick of dyna­mite in the water?

Shel­don: Yeah.

Mrs Cooper:Well, I’m done fishing

The Big Bang The­ory The Lumi­nous Fish Effect 2007

I’m done.

I’m done ask­ing peo­ple to vote for the GOP, I’m done com­pro­mis­ing on issues dear to me and I’m done push­ing can­di­dates that are will­ing to say one thing when they want my vote but not will­ing to act once they have power.

The party seems to for­get the rea­son they have a con­gres­sional major­ity is not due to their own actions but the actions of others.

In 1994 it was Rush Lim­baugh and the con­ser­v­a­tives he ener­gized with the help of Hillarycare that moti­vated vot­ers who pre­vi­ously did not turn out to finally give the GOP their first con­gres­sional major­ity since the 50’s.

It 2010 it was the Tea­Party and peo­ple who had not got­ten involved before ener­gized by the pres­i­dent Obama push for Oba­macare and led by Sarah Palin, the one per­son besides Lim­baugh who was not call­ing for appease­ment of Obama that gave the GOP majori­ties all over the nation just in time for the redraw­ing of con­gres­sional maps.

And it was con­ser­v­a­tives again who after being spurned by Mitt Rom­ney & Co and stay­ing home in 2012 gave the party one more shot to do what they promised in 2014.

This abor­tion bill deba­cle was the last straw for me. I left the Democ­rats 20 years ago when it became clear that a Catholic who actu­ally believed in his faith was no longer wel­come, if the GOP doesn’t want social con­ser­v­a­tives then it’s time for us to go.

That leads to the obvi­ous ques­tion: Go Where?

Glad you asked, After the last pres­i­den­tial elec­tion Mike Rogers sent this com­ment in E-​mail that I posted:.

The time to take over the GOP (state by state) or set up a real third party (let’s call it the con­ser­v­a­tive party, like NY state), is NOW, after a his­toric elec­tion that demon­strated the inept­ness of the “Wiz­ards of Smart”.

The time NOT to talk about and vote for a third part can­di­date, or stay home and pout about rules that work against you is DUR­ING an his­toric elec­tion, when one of the evils is immea­sur­ably worse than the guy you can’t quite warm to.

If we suc­cess­fully set up a con­ser­v­a­tive party, and win some seats, we can choose to align with Repub­li­cans or even endorse their can­di­date as a tac­ti­cal mat­ter on a vote by vote basis.

Well it is after a his­toric elec­tion and after read­ing about Mitt Rom­ney embrac­ing cli­mate change, the Eng­lish & span­ish lan­guage ver­sions of the SOTU response and the House GOP going feck­less on Abor­tion the time to set up these con­ser­v­a­tive par­ties in every state is now.

This VERY week Com­mit­tees should begin form­ing in every state to cre­ate State con­ser­v­a­tive parties.

THIS VERY WEEK: True believ­ers should be deter­min­ing exactly legal steps need to be done in each state to be recognized.

This very week, activists should be sound­ing out poten­tial can­di­dates and writ­ing a state­ment of prin­ci­ples embrac­ing the following:

1. Fis­cal con­ser­v­a­tivism & responsibility

2. Social con­ser­v­a­tive & per­sonal responsibility

3. Defend­ing the Judeo Chris­t­ian val­ues that made Amer­ica great

As for fund­ing this, if we can’t find con­ser­v­a­tives will­ing to kick in I“m sure our friends on the left would be delighted to pro­vide the seed money to get things going in the hope of split­ting the GOP.

This has to be started NOW so that by say April of this year we are in a posi­tion to be able to act.

Now I can hear peo­ple say: “DaT­e­chGuy, this is crazy, you’ll just be hand­ing elec­tions to the Democ­rats who are even worse. Haven’t you said time and time again you have to vote for the best choice on the ballot?”

Yes I have and on a prag­matic level if the choice in 2016 is Bush vs Clin­ton I’d much rather have Bush nom­i­nate a squish to the Supreme Court than Clin­ton nom­i­nate a rad­i­cal but this misses the point.

If we have things in place by this sum­mer, well before the pri­mary sea­son for 2016 every­thing changes for one sim­ple rea­son that Mike pointed out in his orig­i­nal e-​mail. A point I want to emphasize:

There is absolutely noth­ing stop­ping a Mass­a­chu­setts Con­ser­v­a­tive Party or a Ohio Con­ser­v­a­tive Party or a North Car­olina Con­ser­v­a­tive Party from nom­i­nat­ing the can­di­date that wins a GOP pri­mary as their choice for a state dis­trict, a House dis­trict, a Sen­ate Seat, a Gov­er­nor­ship. Nor is there any­thing pre­vent­ing a national con­ser­v­a­tive party from nom­i­nat­ing the GOP pres­i­den­tial nom­i­nee as the choice of their party.

Now put your­self in the place of the GOP both on the national and the state level.

If they see such par­ties form­ing, par­tic­u­larly in states that are close, are they more or less likely to frus­trate the con­ser­v­a­tive agenda in the House & Sen­ate and fuel the anger that gen­er­ates them?

Say you are a mem­ber of Con­gress, per­chance one who scut­tled the Abor­tion bill, or is push­ing for higher Gas taxes or sup­port­ing com­mon core and you see this hap­pen­ing, are you more or less likely to anger con­ser­v­a­tives who might choose to run a can­di­date who will cut into your base?

Say you are a state party prepar­ing to fill a open con­gres­sional seat, are you likely to push a RINO that will guar­an­tee a Con­ser­v­a­tive Party can­di­date on the bal­lot or will they find a more con­ser­v­a­tive can­di­date that, while not being a Ted Cruz or a Mike Lee would have enough appeal to con­ser­v­a­tives to keep them in their camp?

Imag­ine you’re a state GOP with a strong con­ser­v­a­tive already sit­ting, are you to con­sider a pri­mary chal­lenge to might cause the state con­ser­v­a­tive party to split off?

Now obvi­ously both human nature and the law of aver­ages tell you that this will not always be enough to moti­vate the GOP to “Do the right thing” and there will be occa­sions when our run­ning a can­di­date will be enough to give a Demo­c­rat the odd house seat in a mar­ginal dis­trict or even cost us a Sen­ate Seat such as in NH but con­sider the following:

Right now the GOP has the largest major­ity it has had in the house for a cen­tury. So if Democ­rats take a few seats or even 10, it will not give them the strength to advance the lib­eral agenda.

Addi­tion­ally what if there had been a 3rd party can­di­date run­ning in NH instead of clear field. Might some of those con­ser­v­a­tives who stayed home have been enough to not only increase the GOP major­ity in the state­house or per­haps give some help to Mar­ilinda Gar­cia who was ignored by the national GOP?

Would not both the state party and per­haps a can­di­date such as Kelly Ayotte who had the sup­port of Con­ser­v­a­tives like Palin in 2010 see­ing thou­sands of votes for a Con­ser­v­a­tive can­di­date in oppo­si­tion to Brown think long and hard before antag­o­niz­ing said party before she has to face voters?

Now there are some who might see new party struc­ture as a chance to become reg­u­lar guest on media, oth­ers who fig­ure get­ting in on the ground floor of a party will mean power in the long run, still oth­ers see this in terms of profit and an easy pay­check. A new party will always attract such people.

In the long run it doesn’t mat­ter to me any more than if a con­gress­man votes the right way out of prin­ci­ple or out of expe­di­ency. I’d say if the world was full of angels we would not be need gov­ern­ment but as I recall Satan started his career angelically.

So lets just say this: if we are advanc­ing con­ser­v­a­tive prin­ci­ples for the good of our coun­try our soci­ety and chil­dren, that’s fine with me.

But remem­ber we have only a short win­dow to get this done, if we wait too long then we won’t be able to influ­ence the GOP con­gress into con­ser­vatism, or the GOP can­di­dates into con­ser­vatism, all we’ll be able to do is help Democ­rats win, which is’t the point of the exercise.

We get started now or we wait till Jan 2017. There is not an accept­able 3rd choice.

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Mrs Cooper:You know how your daddy used to say that you can only fish for so long before you got to throw a stick of dynamite in the water?

Sheldon: Yeah.

Mrs Cooper:Well, I’m done fishing

The Big Bang Theory The Luminous Fish Effect 2007

I’m done.

I’m done asking people to vote for the GOP, I’m done compromising on issues dear to me and I’m done pushing candidates that are willing to say one thing when they want my vote but not willing to act once they have power.

The party seems to forget the reason they have a congressional majority is not due to their own actions but the actions of others.

 In 1994 it was Rush Limbaugh and the conservatives he energized with the help of Hillarycare that motivated voters who previously did not turn out to finally give the GOP their first congressional majority since the 50’s.

It 2010 it was the TeaParty and people who had not gotten involved before energized by the president Obama push for Obamacare and led by Sarah Palin, the one person besides Limbaugh who was not calling for appeasement of Obama that gave the GOP majorities all over the nation just in time for the redrawing of congressional maps.

And it was conservatives again who after being spurned by Mitt Romney & Co and staying home in 2012 gave the party one more shot to do what they promised in 2014.

This abortion bill debacle was the last straw for me.  I left the Democrats 20 years ago when it became clear that a Catholic who actually believed in his faith was no longer welcome, if the GOP doesn’t want social conservatives then it’s time for us to go.

That leads to the obvious question:  Go Where?

Glad you asked, After the last presidential election Mike Rogers sent this comment in E-mail that I posted:.

The time to take over the GOP (state by state) or set up a real third party (let’s call it the conservative party, like NY state), is NOW, after a historic election that demonstrated the ineptness of the “Wizards of Smart”.

The time NOT to talk about and vote for a third part candidate, or stay home and pout about rules that work against you is DURING an historic election, when one of the evils is immeasurably worse than the guy you can’t quite warm to.

If we successfully set up a conservative party, and win some seats, we can choose to align with Republicans or even endorse their candidate as a tactical matter on a vote by vote basis.

Well it is after a historic election and after reading about Mitt Romney embracing climate change, the English & spanish language versions of the SOTU response and the House GOP going feckless on Abortion the time to set up these conservative parties in every state is now.

This VERY week  Committees should begin forming in every state to create State conservative parties.

THIS VERY WEEK:  True believers should be determining exactly legal steps need to be done in each state to be recognized.

This very week, activists should be sounding out potential candidates and writing a statement of principles embracing the following:

1.  Fiscal conservativism & responsibility

2.  Social conservative & personal responsibility

3.  Defending the Judeo Christian values that made America great

As for funding this, if we can’t find conservatives willing to kick in I”m sure our friends on the left would be delighted to provide the seed money to get things going in the hope of splitting the GOP.

This has to be started NOW so that by say April of this year we are in a position to be able to act.

Now I can hear people say:  “DaTechGuy, this is crazy, you’ll just be handing elections to the Democrats who are even worse.  Haven’t you said time and time again you have to vote for the best choice on the ballot?”

Yes I have and on a pragmatic level if the choice in 2016 is Bush vs Clinton I’d much rather have Bush nominate a squish to the Supreme Court than Clinton nominate a radical but this misses the point.

If we have things in place by this summer, well before the primary season for 2016 everything changes for one simple reason that Mike pointed out in his original e-mail.  A point I want to emphasize:

There is absolutely nothing stopping a Massachusetts Conservative Party or a Ohio Conservative Party or a North Carolina Conservative Party from nominating the candidate that wins a GOP primary as their choice for a state district,  a House district, a Senate Seat, a Governorship.  Nor is there anything preventing a national conservative party from nominating the GOP presidential nominee as the choice of their party.

Now put yourself in the place of the GOP both on the national and the state level.

If they see such parties forming, particularly in states that are close, are they more or less likely to frustrate the conservative agenda in the House & Senate and fuel the anger that generates them?

Say you are a member of Congress, perchance one who scuttled the Abortion bill, or is pushing for higher Gas taxes or supporting common core and you see this happening, are you more or less likely to anger conservatives who might choose to run a candidate who will cut into your base?

Say you are a state party preparing to fill a open congressional seat, are you likely to push a RINO that will guarantee a Conservative Party candidate on the ballot or will they find a more conservative candidate that, while not being a Ted Cruz or a Mike Lee would have enough appeal to conservatives to keep them in their camp?

Imagine you’re a state GOP with a strong conservative already sitting, are you to consider a primary challenge to might cause the state conservative party to split off?

Now obviously both human nature and the law of averages tell you that this will not always be enough to motivate the GOP to “Do the right thing” and there will be occasions when our running a candidate will be enough to give a Democrat the odd house seat in a marginal district or even cost us a Senate Seat such as in NH but consider the following:

Right now the GOP has the largest majority it has had in the house for a century.  So if Democrats take a few seats or even 10, it will not give them the strength to advance the liberal agenda.

Additionally what if there had been a 3rd party candidate running in NH instead of clear field.  Might some of those conservatives who stayed home have been enough to not only increase the GOP majority in the statehouse or perhaps give some help to Marilinda Garcia who was ignored by the national GOP?

Would not both the state party and perhaps a candidate such as Kelly Ayotte who had the support of Conservatives like Palin in 2010 seeing thousands of votes for a Conservative candidate in opposition to Brown think long and hard before antagonizing said party before she has to face voters?

Now there are some who might see  new party structure as a chance to become regular guest on media, others who figure getting in on the ground floor of a party will mean power in the long run, still others see this in terms of profit and an easy paycheck.  A new party will always attract such people.

In the long run it doesn’t matter to me any more than if a congressman votes the right way out of principle or out of expediency.  I’d say if the world was full of angels we would not be need government but as I recall Satan started his career angelically.

So lets just say this:   if we are advancing conservative principles for the good of our country our society and children, that’s fine with me.

But remember we have only a short window to get this done, if we wait too long then we won’t be able to influence the GOP congress into conservatism, or the GOP candidates into conservatism, all we’ll be able to do is help Democrats win, which is’t the point of the exercise.

We get started now or we wait till Jan 2017.  There is not an acceptable 3rd choice.

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