Gop Debate #2 Live blog (constant updates)

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Gop Debate #2 Live blog (constant updates)

Final Update: The more I think about it the more I’m think­ing Fox accom­plished exactly what they were look­ing for. More on Sat­ur­day morning.

I’m offended by the “Don­ald Trump going after women BS” by Megan Kelly and Donna Brazile. We are con­stantly told by women that they are strong, assertive who are equals to men, but if they are treated the same why a man is sud­denly its offen­sive. Either you are tough enough to take the hits or you are the weaker sex who need to be pro­tected from offen­sive speech, pick one.

I agree with Eliz­a­beth Price Foley at Instapun­dit:

GOP PRES­I­DEN­TIAL DEBATE LOSER? FOX NEWS: I was par­tic­u­larly dis­ap­pointed with the ridicu­lous “gotcha!” ques­tions posed by Megyn Kelly and Chris Wal­lace. Can Fox News please focus on the issues and not try to play favorites?

1st Place Don­ald Trump: By Default proved he belonged there won’t lose sup­port among the new crowd that tuned in that aren’t polit­i­cal ani­mals.
2nd place Rand Paul: Did every­thing he needed to do, was both mem­o­rable and sub­stan­tive
3rd Place Ben Car­son Didn’t get many chances but han­dled them the best
4th Chris Christie Got noticed make his points and reminded those who had gone Bush why they sup­ported him before
5th Rubio Lots of solid answers
6th Huck­abee, had mem­o­rable lines but was lost every exchange with another cus­tomer.
7th Cruz Almost per­fect but seemed to be con­stantly ignored by the panel
8th Walker Good lines but never jumped out.
9th Kasich Played to the crowd but too long on a lot of answers
10th Bush Almost didn’t notice he was there. That’s bad news for the big donors.

My rank­ings I think there was only one so so per­for­mance (Bush) , Kasich got a lot of love from the home crowd but wasn’t impres­sive, Walker was fine but not overly impres­sive , Cruz was very good but got very lit­tle time, Huck­abee had mem­o­rable lines but not as hot, Rubio was very good, Chris Christie did very well , Ben Car­son didn’t get many chances to speak but clearly hit nerves, Rand Paul man­aged to be both com­bat­ive and sub­stan­tive and Trump proved he belonged on the stage.

11:03 Trump closes with his stan­dard the US is not what is should be, we have to make our coun­try great again.

11:02 Bush speak­ing (he was left alone for 30 min) fair close stum­bled a bit like his brother at the end.

11:00 Ted Cruz, day 1 give a laun­dry list of what he would do strong but Ben Car­son trumps him with the half a brain line. Huck­abee: Hits Hillary Clin­ton when every­one thought he was talk­ing Trump, Scott Walker: Talks record and recalls, the “and we won”

10:58 Paul give a first rate close, notes he leads Clin­ton in five states Obama won, Rubio talks about his history,

10:56 Clos­ing Kasich goes over his record, pretty good response, Pretty good answer by Christie about his record

10:55 Car­son Asked about race rela­tion: Give his pat neu­ro­sur­geon answer I oper­ate on the part that makes a per­son what they are crowd loves it.

10:54 Rubio asked about God & va: Rubio says God has blessed us we must help our vets only one fired

10:51 Kasish asked the God ques­tion, long winded answer, Walker invokes his past and the protests against him

Last round Clos­ing ques­tion first: Have they received word from God: I get God daily from Scrip­ture God speaks through the bible talks about his father’s con­ver­sion. You shall know them by their fruits. Knock­ing it out of the park

Good round for every­one but I think Paul’s answer was the best for him

10:45 Christie invited to hit Paul, instead agrees with Car­son about Mil­i­tary, agrees that we can’t be fund­ing our ene­mies, but says Israel needs to fund.

10:44: Why did you change your bud­get to allow aid to Israel: At least I have a bud­get, Israel is a friend, We shouldn’t bor­row money from China to send it to any­one. We can’t give away money we don’t have. We don’t project power from bank­ruptcy court.

10:42 Huck asked about Trans­gen­der troops: Huck­abee: The pur­pose of the Mil­i­tary is to kill peo­ple and break things. We’ve for­got­ten why we have a mil­i­tary. it’s not a social lab.

10:41 Walker on con­fronting Rus­sia if they go after Baltic states: “Rus­sia & China know more about Hillary’s emails than we do ”

10:40 would you have struck Syria?: Talks about an army that’s not ready while our ene­mies grow strong & our friends don’t trust us. I’d shore up the mil­i­tary first.

10:36 They are back break­ing news about the Iran­ian Gen­eral, goes to Trump again: Trump talks about Iran and dis­cusses Iran deal as garbage. If Iran was a stock you should buy it. The Russ­ian cyber attack brought up, FINALLY asked cruz some­thing. Have they declared Cyber­war: Cruz: Of course they have goes through the list of the ene­mies gains.

Rubio & Paul did best that round, it’ been an hour since they said a word to Ted Cruz WTF?

10:33 Paul asked about pro­tect­ing reli­gion: Says I don’t want the gov­ern­ment going after they guns or my religion.

10:31: Kasich asked the “what if your child is gay” to Kasich: he plays the uncon­di­tional love card and brags about going to a gay wed­ding. Kelly should be ashamed of her­self for that question.

10:28: Bush asked about trump: Thinks he’s divi­sive but we need to win. Trump says when it comes to the world we have no time for tone we have to get the job done.

10:26 Trump asked about his changes: tell story about a per­son not aborted that made a dif­fer­ent, invokes Ronald Rea­gan best you can do there.

10:25: Rubio asked about life of the mother excep­tion claims, denies sup­port­ing exception

10:23 Bush asked about Planned Par­ent­hood asked about the Bloomberg board that funded it: Bush claimed he joined for edu­ca­tion, notes his pro-​life record. “I didn’t know but it doesn’t mat­ter. That’s an ad against him”

Every can­di­date helped them­selves that last round, per­haps Car­son & Christie the most

10:15 Quotes first debate asks on Iran deal: Asks Walker on Day 1 tear up deal. Walker invokes the Iran­ian hostage cri­sis, stronger sanc­tions and then con­vince allies to do the same. Paul on the deal. I oppose the iran­ian deal, he didn’t nego­ti­ate from strength. I don’t mind nego­ti­a­tion but must go from strength, no release of sanc­tions until proof of com­pli­ance: Huck­abee: Trust but Ver­ify Trust Iran vil­ify us. Notes the death to amer­ica & Israel stuff, Three great answer there.

10:13 Great answer on econ­omy by Rubio

10:10 Trump asked about 4 bank­rupt­cies: Doesn’t apol­o­gize for using bank­ruptcy laws to his advan­tage for the four times in 100’s of deals. Point to the money he made. Chris Wal­lace presses, Trump points out he got out of Atlantic City before it went bust.

10:07 Christie & Huck­abee on enti­tle­ment reform asked if Huck­abee is lying: Huck­abee is not lying he’s just wrong, Gives spe­cific answer on retire­ment reform, good answer. Huck­abee not­ing that it’s not the people’s who had their own money taken that it’s screwed up. It’s wrong to do so. Christie It’s already hap­pened we have to fix it as it is.

10:05 Bush notes Clin­ton wont’ even com­ment on Key­stone, Walker defends his record on jobs notes three elections

10:01 If Hillary is nom­i­nee: Car­son sug­gest Hillary will NOT win. She is the epi­demy of the sec­u­lar pro­gres­sive move­ment, counts on the fact that peo­ple are uninformed

On twit­ter Car­son being attacked mer­ci­lessly for men­tion­ing God by the left.

After 2nd Break Trump still ahead, but Cruz, Paul & Walker did well.

9:55: Rubio asked on Com­mon Core: Dept of Ed won’t stop with a sug­ges­tion it will become a mandate.

9:53 Bush asked about Com­mon core: Spins Fed gov­ern­ment should be involved in stan­dards. Points to his voucher plans.

9:51: Huck­abee asked about gov­ern­ment size: talks flat tax, Car­son talks flat tax and tithing

9:49 Walker’s “every­thing hillary clin­ton touches” line was classic

9:46 asked Trump about sin­gle payer: Note get rid of the arti­fi­cial lines. Paul hits him again., Trump asked about dona­tions to dems: “When I give they help”

9:44 Hey they finally got back to Ben Car­son asked about water­board­ing: He jokes about being ignored: What we do is our busi­ness and I’m not going to broad­cast it and I don’t believe in fight­ing a polit­i­cally cor­rect war.

9:43: To Bush: asked about the War and his hedg­ing on it: It was wrong but they didn’t die in vain. Points out to Obama leav­ing caus­ing the prob­lem & the rise of ISIS.

9:42: How can you defeat ISIS in 90 days to Cruz: Cruz says our pol­icy should be “If you join ISIS you are sign­ing your death war­rant.” Cruz con­trasts Obama on Chris­tians vs Islam

9:40 Doesn’t Ben Car­son get to be ques­tioned anymore?

9:37 Christie invited to hit Paul on ter­ror­ism. He does big time. Paul “I want to sup­port the 4th amend­ment.”, “Christie says it’s hot air”. Paul says get a war­rant “you want to give him (obama) a big hug go ahead again.”

9:35 Ted Cruz will you sup­port Kate’s Law?: I filed that law lead­er­ship blocked it. “It’s not a ques­tion of stu­pid­ity they don’t want to enforce the law.”

9:34 To Paul: Why in the last two years have you changed your posi­tion. “I changed because I listed to the Amer­i­can people.”

9:32 Rubio asked about Trump too: Peo­ple feel like we are being taken advan­tage of. Talks about the legal people.

9:31: Back ask­ing Kasich is Trump is right: “Trump is hit­ting a nerve”, he’s got his solu­tion we’ve got ours, lists accomplishments.

9:28: No clear leader but Trump fin­ished strong & is the pol leader so wins by default

9:25 Trump asked to answer Bush directly on the immi­gra­tion debate: “If it weren’t for me Chris you wouldn’t even be talk­ing about it.” “Reporters are a dis­hon­est lot.” Wal­lace chal­lenges his evi­dence, Trump says Bor­der Patrol peo­ple tell him this.

9:24 Bush on Immi­gra­tion Do you stand by the “It’s an act of love” state­ment. Yes but we have to secure bor­der. Unim­pres­sive answer.

9:22 Megan Kelly asks Kasich about tak­ing Oba­macare money to expand medicare: Ignores the cost ques­tion and points to other types of savings.

9:20 Why is GOP at fault on for­eign pol­icy to Paul: Points out that ISIS rides around in US Humvees, I have been fight­ing us from arm­ing their friends.

9:18: Huck­abee asked if he is too rad­i­cal: Invoke the con­sti­tu­tion to pro­tect the 5th amend­ment & 14th amend­ment to pro­tect chil­dren from abor­tion vs a new amendment.

9:17 Would you really let a mother die to Scott Walker: Deflects the ques­tion points to his strong pro-​life position.

9:15 To Christie, NJ Sucks why should we vote for you: “Christie You should have seen it before I got there.” Talks about cuts

9:15: Ted cruz asked if he’s too divi­sive? “The Amer­i­can peo­ple are look­ing for some­one to speak the truth.”

9:13 Tem­per­ment ques­tion vs women. Points toward Trumps twit­ter account. We have no time for polit­i­cal cor­rect­ness talks strength. throws a punch at Megan Kelly.

9:11 Jeb Bush asked about dynas­tic stuff. talks about his record, talks reserves they call me Veto Corleone.

9:09 Marco Rubio: If this is a resume con­test Hillary Clin­ton will be the president

9:07: First ques­tion goes to Car­son, do you know enough about what’s going on. (Same ques­tion that I asked him in NH two months ago) Dis­putes it, expe­ri­ence comes from a lot of are­nas. “Amer­ica became a great nation not because it was flooded with politicians ”

9:05 Boy Rand Paul didn’t waste time he’s hedg­ing his bets attack. Didn’t phase Trump.

9:04 Raise you hand if you won’t pledge to sup­port the GOP can­di­date or run 3rd party Only Trump does.

9:02 Every­one is being intro­duced again home field advan­tage Kasich

8:57 For God’s sake stop the pre-​talk and let them start, they are the actual stars not the moderators

8:56 The can­di­dates take the stage

8:53 Not really inter­ested in the pre-​debate panel

Hey there are peo­ple there this time

Ok time for Debate 2, my debate 1 com­men­tary is here

Final Update:  The more I think about it the more I’m thinking Fox accomplished exactly what they were looking for.  More on Saturday morning.

I’m offended by the “Donald Trump going after women BS” by Megan Kelly and Donna Brazile. We are constantly told by women that they are strong, assertive who are equals to men, but if they are treated the same why a man is suddenly its offensive. Either you are tough enough to take the hits or you are the weaker sex who need to be protected from offensive speech, pick one.

I agree with Elizabeth Price Foley at Instapundit:

GOP PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE LOSER? FOX NEWS: I was particularly disappointed with the ridiculous “gotcha!” questions posed by Megyn Kelly and Chris Wallace. Can Fox News please focus on the issues and not try to play favorites?

1st Place Donald Trump: By Default proved he belonged there won’t lose support among the new crowd that tuned in that aren’t political animals.
2nd place Rand Paul: Did everything he needed to do, was both memorable and substantive
3rd Place Ben Carson Didn’t get many chances but handled them the best
4th Chris Christie Got noticed make his points and reminded those who had gone Bush why they supported him before
5th Rubio Lots of solid answers
6th Huckabee, had memorable lines but was lost every exchange with another customer.
7th Cruz Almost perfect but seemed to be constantly ignored by the panel
8th Walker Good lines but never jumped out.
9th Kasich Played to the crowd but too long on a lot of answers
10th Bush Almost didn’t notice he was there. That’s bad news for the big donors.

My rankings I think there was only one so so performance (Bush) , Kasich got a lot of love from the home crowd but wasn’t impressive, Walker was fine but not overly impressive , Cruz was very good but got very little time, Huckabee had memorable lines but not as hot, Rubio was very good, Chris Christie did very well , Ben Carson didn’t get many chances to speak but clearly hit nerves, Rand Paul managed to be both combative and substantive and Trump proved he belonged on the stage.

11:03 Trump closes with his standard the US is not what is should be, we have to make our country great again.

11:02 Bush speaking (he was left alone for 30 min) fair close stumbled a bit like his brother at the end.

11:00 Ted Cruz, day 1 give a laundry list of what he would do strong but Ben Carson trumps him with the half a brain line. Huckabee: Hits Hillary Clinton when everyone thought he was talking Trump, Scott Walker: Talks record and recalls, the “and we won”

10:58 Paul give a first rate close, notes he leads Clinton in five states Obama won, Rubio talks about his history,

10:56 Closing Kasich goes over his record, pretty good response, Pretty good answer by Christie about his record

10:55 Carson Asked about race relation: Give his pat neurosurgeon answer I operate on the part that makes a person what they are crowd loves it.

10:54 Rubio asked about God & va: Rubio says God has blessed us we must help our vets only one fired

10:51 Kasish asked the God question, long winded answer, Walker invokes his past and the protests against him

Last round Closing question first: Have they received word from God: I get God daily from Scripture God speaks through the bible talks about his father’s conversion. You shall know them by their fruits. Knocking it out of the park

Good round for everyone but I think Paul’s answer was the best for him

10:45 Christie invited to hit Paul, instead agrees with Carson about Military, agrees that we can’t be funding our enemies, but says Israel needs to fund.

10:44: Why did you change your budget to allow aid to Israel: At least I have a budget, Israel is a friend, We shouldn’t borrow money from China to send it to anyone. We can’t give away money we don’t have. We don’t project power from bankruptcy court.

10:42 Huck asked about Transgender troops: Huckabee: The purpose of the Military is to kill people and break things. We’ve forgotten why we have a military. it’s not a social lab.

10:41 Walker on confronting Russia if they go after Baltic states: “Russia & China know more about Hillary’s emails than we do ”

10:40 would you have struck Syria?: Talks about an army that’s not ready while our enemies grow strong & our friends don’t trust us. I’d shore up the military first.

10:36 They are back breaking news about the Iranian General, goes to Trump again: Trump talks about Iran and discusses Iran deal as garbage. If Iran was a stock you should buy it. The Russian cyber attack brought up, FINALLY asked cruz something. Have they declared Cyberwar: Cruz: Of course they have goes through the list of the enemies gains.

Rubio & Paul did best that round, it’ been an hour since they said a word to Ted Cruz WTF?

10:33 Paul asked about protecting religion: Says I don’t want the government going after they guns or my religion.

10:31: Kasich asked the “what if your child is gay” to Kasich: he plays the unconditional love card and brags about going to a gay wedding. Kelly should be ashamed of herself for that question.

10:28: Bush asked about trump: Thinks he’s divisive but we need to win. Trump says when it comes to the world we have no time for tone we have to get the job done.

10:26 Trump asked about his changes: tell story about a person not aborted that made a different, invokes Ronald Reagan best you can do there.

10:25: Rubio asked about life of the mother exception claims, denies supporting exception

10:23 Bush asked about Planned Parenthood asked about the Bloomberg board that funded it: Bush claimed he joined for education, notes his pro-life record. “I didn’t know but it doesn’t matter. That’s an ad against him”

Every candidate helped themselves that last round, perhaps Carson & Christie the most

10:15 Quotes first debate asks on Iran deal: Asks Walker on Day 1 tear up deal. Walker invokes the Iranian hostage crisis, stronger sanctions and then convince allies to do the same. Paul on the deal. I oppose the iranian deal, he didn’t negotiate from strength. I don’t mind negotiation but must go from strength, no release of sanctions until proof of compliance: Huckabee: Trust but Verify Trust Iran vilify us. Notes the death to america & Israel stuff, Three great answer there.

10:13 Great answer on economy by Rubio

10:10 Trump asked about 4 bankruptcies: Doesn’t apologize for using bankruptcy laws to his advantage for the four times in 100’s of deals. Point to the money he made. Chris Wallace presses, Trump points out he got out of Atlantic City before it went bust.

10:07 Christie & Huckabee on entitlement reform asked if Huckabee is lying: Huckabee is not lying he’s just wrong, Gives specific answer on retirement reform, good answer. Huckabee noting that it’s not the people’s who had their own money taken that it’s screwed up. It’s wrong to do so. Christie It’s already happened we have to fix it as it is.

10:05 Bush notes Clinton wont’ even comment on Keystone, Walker defends his record on jobs notes three elections

10:01 If Hillary is nominee: Carson suggest Hillary will NOT win. She is the epidemy of the secular progressive movement, counts on the fact that people are uninformed

On twitter Carson being attacked mercilessly for mentioning God by the left.

After 2nd Break Trump still ahead, but Cruz, Paul & Walker did well.

9:55: Rubio asked on Common Core: Dept of Ed won’t stop with a suggestion it will become a mandate.

9:53 Bush asked about Common core: Spins Fed government should be involved in standards. Points to his voucher plans.

9:51: Huckabee asked about government size: talks flat tax, Carson talks flat tax and tithing

9:49 Walker’s “everything hillary clinton touches” line was classic

9:46 asked Trump about single payer: Note get rid of the artificial lines. Paul hits him again., Trump asked about donations to dems: “When I give they help”

9:44 Hey they finally got back to Ben Carson asked about waterboarding: He jokes about being ignored: What we do is our business and I’m not going to broadcast it and I don’t believe in fighting a politically correct war.

9:43: To Bush: asked about the War and his hedging on it: It was wrong but they didn’t die in vain. Points out to Obama leaving causing the problem & the rise of ISIS.

9:42: How can you defeat ISIS in 90 days to Cruz: Cruz says our policy should be “If you join ISIS you are signing your death warrant.” Cruz contrasts Obama on Christians vs Islam

9:40 Doesn’t Ben Carson get to be questioned anymore?

9:37 Christie invited to hit Paul on terrorism. He does big time. Paul “I want to support the 4th amendment.”, “Christie says it’s hot air”. Paul says get a warrant “you want to give him (obama) a big hug go ahead again.”

9:35 Ted Cruz will you support Kate’s Law?: I filed that law leadership blocked it. “It’s not a question of stupidity they don’t want to enforce the law.”

9:34 To Paul: Why in the last two years have you changed your position. “I changed because I listed to the American people.”

9:32 Rubio asked about Trump too: People feel like we are being taken advantage of. Talks about the legal people.

9:31: Back asking Kasich is Trump is right: “Trump is hitting a nerve”, he’s got his solution we’ve got ours, lists accomplishments.

9:28: No clear leader but Trump finished strong & is the pol leader so wins by default

9:25 Trump asked to answer Bush directly on the immigration debate: “If it weren’t for me Chris you wouldn’t even be talking about it.” “Reporters are a dishonest lot.” Wallace challenges his evidence, Trump says Border Patrol people tell him this.

9:24 Bush on Immigration Do you stand by the “It’s an act of love” statement. Yes but we have to secure border. Unimpressive answer.

9:22 Megan Kelly asks Kasich about taking Obamacare money to expand medicare: Ignores the cost question and points to other types of savings.

9:20 Why is GOP at fault on foreign policy to Paul: Points out that ISIS rides around in US Humvees, I have been fighting us from arming their friends.

9:18: Huckabee asked if he is too radical: Invoke the constitution to protect the 5th amendment & 14th amendment to protect children from abortion vs a new amendment.

9:17 Would you really let a mother die to Scott Walker: Deflects the question points to his strong pro-life position.

9:15 To Christie, NJ Sucks why should we vote for you: “Christie You should have seen it before I got there.” Talks about cuts

9:15: Ted cruz asked if he’s too divisive? “The American people are looking for someone to speak the truth.”

9:13 Temperment question vs women. Points toward Trumps twitter account. We have no time for political correctness talks strength. throws a punch at Megan Kelly.

9:11 Jeb Bush asked about dynastic stuff. talks about his record, talks reserves they call me Veto Corleone.

9:09 Marco Rubio: If this is a resume contest Hillary Clinton will be the president

9:07: First question goes to Carson, do you know enough about what’s going on. (Same question that I asked him in NH two months ago) Disputes it, experience comes from a lot of arenas. “America became a great nation not because it was flooded with politicians ”

9:05 Boy Rand Paul didn’t waste time he’s hedging his bets attack. Didn’t phase Trump.

9:04 Raise you hand if you won’t pledge to support the GOP candidate or run 3rd party Only Trump does.

9:02 Everyone is being introduced again home field advantage Kasich

8:57 For God’s sake stop the pre-talk and let them start, they are the actual stars not the moderators

8:56 The candidates take the stage

8:53 Not really interested in the pre-debate panel

Hey there are people there this time

Ok time for Debate 2, my debate 1 commentary is here