It’s a very good thing the MSM doesn’t believe in handgun ownership or upon seeing this story would likely blow their brains out.
A Kentucky clerk who went to jail for defying a federal court’s orders to issue same-sex marriage licenses reportedly met briefly with the pope during his historic visit to the United States.
A Vatican spokesman confirmed to the New York Times Wednesday that the encounter took place.
While Think Progress is spinning:
After fielding repeated late-night inquiries form reporters, the Vatican announced Wednesday morning that they could neither confirm nor deny the alleged meeting happening, saying they wouldn’t comment further. However, Rev. Federico Lombardi, a Vatican spokesman, later told the New York Times that he “did not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add.” The New York Times concluded that in saying as much, he had “confirmed the meeting,” but that remains unclear.
As is Joe my God
The Vatican is refusing to confirm or deny that Pope Francis met privately with Kim Davis. A Vatican spokesman says that no further statement will be made. So we get no photos, no video, no uninvolved witnesses – just a claim made by an unofficial Kentucky-based website.
The Blaze did some reporting:
A receptionist for the Vatican Embassy in Washington, D.C., confirmed to TheBlaze Wednesday that Pope Francis met with Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis during his visit to the United States last week.
While information about what precisely was discussed during the meeting has not been released, the staffer with the Apostolic Nunciature of the Holy See to the United States said the meeting did occur, confirming statements from Davis’ attorneys.
Slantpoint says he really never liked the Pope anyways:
Mr. Horsey seems to believe the Pope’s medieval economic views are somehow worthy of praise, while ignoring the fact he and Kim Davis share the medieval prejudices. If there is one thing the Pope hates, it is sin, and freedom apparently leads to sin. Certainly, if the poor are blessed because they are poor, he has embraced a view that will expand their numbers greatly, while simultaneously denying social freedoms as well.
Nor did America blog either:
Again, we already know how the Vatican feels about LGBT people. We already know how Pope Francis feelsabout religion’s relationship with secular liberal democracy. We already know that he didn’t have any problem holding politically-charged meetings with self-professed religious activists while he was in the United States. And we already know that when he was asked about Kim Davis’s situation, he took her side.
Why should the maybe-fact that he told her so in person change how I feel about either of them?
Friendly Atheist accuses the Pope of Deception:
The Pope is ultimately as opposed to gay rights as Kim Davis. He doesn’t want gay couples to get married and he sees “homosexual acts [as] intrinsically disordered.” Until last week, he did everything in his power to keep those beliefs hidden. Meeting with her, as if she’s a victim of anything, would send a message that the Church really hasn’t changed at all, even with a popular Pope at its helm.
Which is exactly what critics of religion have been saying for a long time
Unlike Radical Feminist Melissa McEwan
Anyone who imagines it’s not even possible for the Pope to have met with Kim Davis hasn’t been paying attention.
This Pope isn’t a liberal. His positions aren’t even particularly better, especially on social issues, than his predecessors—he’s just a much more sophisticated spinmaster. And he cunningly exploits our habits of not paying close attention, if we hear something that suits our hopes.
The Washington Post notes the anger:
Since his election as to the papacy in 2013, Francis — with his outspoken criticism of global warming and income inequality, as well as his perceived support of the gay community (“Who am I to judge?” he said) — has become a favorite of some liberals. His reported meeting with Davis could feel like a slap to progressives who see him — wrongly or rightly — as their ally on the topic of LGBT acceptance.
Biz pack review agrees:
This will put a damper on the progressive left’s infatuation with the pope.
And the significance is large:
Rick Klein: “It’s little surprise that this or any pope would stand up against gay marriage. But having spent time with this particular county clerk – the very public face of outright defiance of the US Supreme Court – has specific ramifications that surely the pope and those around him are aware of. Maybe that was the point – in which case conservatives have every bit as much of the right to cite this papal visit’s political message as their liberal friends.”
This tweet via The American Conservative is accurate
Love the people who admire Pope Francis for embracing the hated actually spitting now that he may have embraced Kim Davis, whom they hate
— Michael B Dougherty (@michaelbd) September 30, 2015
At least one evangelical says it’s a costly move:
To me, if he did meet with Davis, he has undone a lot of the bridge building image he has cultivated. Davis is a divisive figure right now and by aligning with her, he will appear to lack consistency and genuineness.
and Jezebel is angry:
Regardless, for all of her bigotry, Davis has been rewarded with the company of God’s representative on earth and Mike Huckabee. What a world.
As for Davis herself:
“That was a great encouragement, just knowing that the pope is on track with what we’re doing,” she told ABC. “Kind of validates everything.”
Here are some MSM reports:
Two interesting notes the first from a grump Guardian that notices an important irony:
Andrew Chesnut, a professor of religious studies at Virginia Commonwealth University, said the apparent meeting with Davis, coupled with his remarks on the plane, put the pope “squarely in the camp of conservative Christians in the US, both Catholic and Protestant, who believe their faith has been persecuted during the presidency of Obama”. He added: “One of the great ironies is that Kim Davis’s Pentecostal faith has historically viewed Catholicism as an idolatrous abomination of Christianity. In the pope’s Latin America, one of the first things many Catholic converts to Pentecostalism do is to make a bonfire to incinerate their Catholic ‘idols,’ such as the saints and Virgin Mary.”
Well that’s what happens when there is pretty much only one faith still fighting.
And the second is John Allen who makes three points:
First, it means that Francis has significantly strengthened the hand of the US bishops and other voices in American debates defending religious freedom….
Second, Francis may also have smoothed the waters in advance for round two of the Synod of Bishops on the family, which opens on Sunday…
Third, Francis has also debunked impressions of a rift with the American bishops when it comes to the “wars of culture.”
So what Do I think about all this? I think it’s hilarious. On Tuesday I mentioned the Pope’s words as supporting Kim Davis on the plane and was told
But the more important point here is what this says about the difference between the Pope and the Press that was covering him. The left & media did all they could to politicize his words as a club to strike their political foes with, they minimized the Pope’s statement in favor of religious freedom and life and talked endlessly about any topic that they felt would help their cause. However the Pope came here with a goal, and that goal, despite what others might think, was evangelization. His method is to take this piece of advice from the Screwtape twelve…
You will say that these are very small sins; and doubtless, like all young tempters, you are anxious to be able to report spectacular wickedness. But do remember, the only thing that matters is the extent to which you separate the man from the Enemy. It does not matter how small the sins are provided that their cumulative effect is to edge the man away from the Light and out into the Nothing. Murder is no better than cards if cards can do the trick. Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one-the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts,
…and reverse it. Move them gradually into the light, get them into church, give the Holy Spirit and the Sacraments a chance to allow grace to flow, let it eventually draw them into the confessional and full repentance. The best method for this was for people to hear is words unfiltered, to see his trip as it was, to watch the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as it takes place. This type of thing:
But something else happened which is hard to describe. It was like the very atmosphere of the cathedral had suddenly changed. I could feel the presence and force of Pope Francis’ love for all of us. The screens throughout the cathedral showed his sweet face as he shook people’s hands – and sought out the smallest and weakest in the crowds.
I had been sitting next to a journalist from The Economist all day. She was not a practicing Catholic. Yet, when I turned to her now, she was crying.
“I’m supposed to be a jaded journalist,” she said. “So why am I crying?”
He told me that he wasn’t Catholic – but that his wife was. She often told people that she had “survived” Catholicism growing up on Palm Beach, Florida. Apparently, she’d had several bad experiences growing up which led her to leave the Catholic faith for her whole life.
“This Pope has caused her to look at Catholicism again,” said Bob. “She is seriously thinking about going back to Church now.”
Estela had recently come back to the Catholic Church in a big way because of Pope Francis. She told me that her cubicle was plastered with his pictures and his quotes.
She watched the DC papal parade with a group of high school boys from Gonzaga – a local Catholic school. Apparently, the Pope had come close and waved at them. When Estela looked at them, after the encounter, all the boys had tears in their eyes.
“Boys,” she told them, “Hold onto this feeling. As you go through life and you get challenged, don’t forget this moment. Because this is your Catholic faith.”
Francis’ Visit Made Me Reexamine Myself, and I’m Not Sure I Like What I See
In fact even that encounter with Ms. Davis, a daughter of Catholics who choose a different path before turning back to Christ via a protestant tradition screamed evangelization:
I had asked a monsignor earlier what was the proper way to greet the Pope, and whether it would be appropriate for me to embrace him, and I had been told it would be okay to hug him. So I hugged him, and he hugged me back. It was an extraordinary moment. ‘Stay strong,’ he said to me. Then he gave me a rosary as a gift, and he gave one also to my husband, Joe. I broke into tears. I was deeply moved.
“Then he said to me, ‘Please pray for me.’ And I said to him, ‘Please pray for me also, Holy Father.’ And he assured me that he would pray for me.”
No matter how much spin came before or after it, at least people would see and hear things as they were. Francis may have assumed that if he met with Davis openly suddenly this would be the only topic, that his visit would be instantly converted by the media not as a religious event (that they were trying to politicize) but as a political event that would need to be countered. How much more difficult is it for those who where cheering the open Francis, the welcoming Francis he Francis willing to speak to anyone deal with the idea that “anyone” includes Kim Davis. Mike Dougherty again:
This pope DGAF. He embraces the most hated and excluded.” “Wait, Kim Davis? But everyone I know hates her!
— Michael B Dougherty (@michaelbd) September 30, 2015
Today even the local reporter talking about this looked like someone was peeing on their cornflakes.
Personally I think it would have been better to do this in public but this is his call and frankly the story coming out after the visit amplifies it.
This Pope is Catholic, he has always been Catholic and as I’ve said many times while I don’t always know what Francis is doing, I have faith that the Holy Spirit does.
Have some faith folks
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