Pope Francis In Context and Unspun on Mexico, Trump, Zika et/all

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Pope Francis In Context and Unspun on Mexico, Trump, Zika et/all

I had lunch with my pas­tor on Tues­day and the sub­ject of Pope Fran­cis came up.

One of the things he noted is that Fran­cis tends to talk like a pas­tor coun­sel­ing an indi­vid­ual in a spe­cific sit­u­a­tion rather than like a the­olo­gian mak­ing pro­nounce­ments on the faith.

The prob­lem with this approach being that if you have the inter­na­tional media look­ing to spin your every word for the sake of draw­ing eye­balls and clicks not to men­tion push­ing an agenda such pro­nounce­ments will likely not bear any resem­blance to what you are actu­ally try­ing to convey.

Yes­ter­day was a great example.

I was dri­ving to pick up a doctor’s note for my sick wife (Between my ill­ness, being laid off and my wife’s ill­ness Feb­ru­ary has been a bad month for me) and I turned on the radio and heard first CBS & then Rush Lim­baugh, talk about the Pope and Don­ald Trump and the Pope and Con­tra­cep­tion and did a dou­ble take.

Now if you are a faith­ful Catholic who is not famil­iar with the media’s reg­u­lar attempts to spin every­thing the Pope says and does you might find your­self talk­ing to your pas­tor this week­end and ask­ing what’s going on? Is the pill OK to take now? Is the bor­der fence con­sid­ered a mor­tal sin?

How­ever if you are a reg­u­lar reader of the this blog you likely decided to do what I did, wait till you got home and look to see if John Allen vat­i­can reporter extra­or­di­naire reported on this and try to find the actual text of the var­i­ous exchanges.

Lucky for Catholic every­where Cap­tain Ed Mor­ris­sey was on the job because at 4PM yes­ter­day the Ed Mor­ris­sey show was com­ing on and lo and behold along with Salma Zito and our favorite Yid with Lid he had Mr. John Allen as a guest.

and he fol­lowed this up with a post at Hotair link­ing to the Catholic News ser­vice which had the actual tran­scripts of what the Pope said in context.

Here is the Don­ald Trump ques­tion and answer

Phil Pul­lella, Reuters: Today, you spoke very elo­quently about the prob­lems of immi­gra­tion. On the other side of the bor­der, there is a very tough elec­toral bat­tle. One of the can­di­dates for the White House, Repub­li­can Don­ald Trump, in an inter­view recently said that you are a polit­i­cal man and he even said that you are a pawn, an instru­ment of the Mex­i­can gov­ern­ment for migra­tion pol­i­tics. Trump said that if he’s elected, he wants to build 2,500 kilo­me­ters of wall along the bor­der. He wants to deport 11 mil­lion ille­gal immi­grants, sep­a­rat­ing fam­i­lies, etcetera. I would like to ask you, what do you think of these accu­sa­tions against you and if a North Amer­i­can Catholic can vote for a per­son like this?

Pope Fran­cis: Thank God he said I was a politi­cian because Aris­to­tle defined the human per­son as ‘ani­mal politi­cus.’ At least I am a human per­son. As to whether I am a pawn, well, maybe, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to your judg­ment and that of the peo­ple. And then, a per­son who thinks only about build­ing walls, wher­ever they may be, and not build­ing bridges, is not Chris­t­ian. This is not in the Gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Chris­t­ian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the ben­e­fit of the doubt.

and here is the ques­tion on the Zika virus and contraception:

Paloma Gar­cía Ove­jero, Cadena COPE (Spain): Holy Father, for sev­eral weeks there’s been a lot of con­cern in many Latin Amer­i­can coun­tries but also in Europe regard­ing the Zika virus. The great­est risk would be for preg­nant women. There is anguish. Some author­i­ties have pro­posed abor­tion, or else to avoid­ing preg­nancy. As regards avoid­ing preg­nancy, on this issue, can the Church take into con­sid­er­a­tion the con­cept of “the lesser of two evils?”

Pope Fran­cis: Abor­tion is not the lesser of two evils. It is a crime. It is to throw some­one out in order to save another. That’s what the Mafia does. It is a crime, an absolute evil. On the ‘lesser evil,’ avoid­ing preg­nancy, we are speak­ing in terms of the con­flict between the fifth and sixth com­mand­ment. Paul VI, a great man, in a dif­fi­cult sit­u­a­tion in Africa, per­mit­ted nuns to use con­tra­cep­tives in cases of rape.

Don’t con­fuse the evil of avoid­ing preg­nancy by itself, with abor­tion. Abor­tion is not a the­o­log­i­cal prob­lem, it is a human prob­lem, it is a med­ical prob­lem. You kill one per­son to save another, in the best case sce­nario. Or to live com­fort­ably, no? It’s against the Hip­po­cratic oaths doc­tors must take. It is an evil in and of itself, but it is not a reli­gious evil in the begin­ning, no, it’s a human evil. Then obvi­ously, as with every human evil, each killing is condemned.

On the other hand, avoid­ing preg­nancy is not an absolute evil. In cer­tain cases, as in this one, or in the one I men­tioned of Blessed Paul VI, it was clear. I would also urge doc­tors to do their utmost to find vac­cines against these two mos­qui­toes that carry this dis­ease. This needs to be worked on.

As you can see, in con­text this sounds a whole lot dif­fer­ent that it has been spun. For exam­ple his giv­ing “The Ben­e­fit of the doubt” to Don­ald Trump and his com­par­i­son of Abor­tion to Mafia mur­der appar­ently were not con­sid­ered all that newsworthy.

More­over if the media had both­ered to actu­ally cover the Pope in Mex­ico, as John Allen did, they would know that he was very hard on a par­tic­u­lar group of peo­ple. The Catholic Bish­ops:

There’s yet another con­stituency in Mex­ico right now feel­ing rather thor­oughly judged by the pon­tiff, and, for the record, found not alto­gether up to snuff: the country’s roughly 170 Catholic bishops.

In a remark­able 4,500-word address to the bish­ops on Sat­ur­day, one of the most devel­oped and detailed speeches of his papacy, Fran­cis laid out a vision of the kind of prelate he believes the Church needs today — and left lit­tle doubt that it’s not always the kind of shep­herd it actu­ally has.

and he didn’t spare the gov­ern­ment of Mex­ico either:

Dur­ing five days in Mex­ico, Pope Fran­cis exco­ri­ated gov­ern­ment elites for deny­ing their peo­ple jus­tice and peace, told bish­ops to do more to alle­vi­ate their flock’s suf­fer­ing at the hands of drug traf­fick­ers and cor­rupt offi­cials, and point­edly avoided the pomp of Mex­ico City in favor of more hum­ble settings.

While popes often offer gen­tle crit­i­cism on vis­its abroad, Fran­cis seems to have gone even fur­ther in hec­tor­ing his hosts this trip. Observers said the pon­tiff clearly feels that both the Church and the gov­ern­ment have failed Mexico’s people.

The pope lit­er­ally believes that the devil is on the loose in Mex­ico, sow­ing death, mis­ery, and res­ig­na­tion, and he believes that the state, the Church and the drug deal­ers are complicit,”

I sus­pect that last cri­tique of Mexico’s gov­ern­ment is some­thing every sin­gle GOP can­di­date would agree with, includ­ing Don­ald Trump.

Too bad nobody in the MSM is inter­ested in either report­ing his words in Mex­ico or his words in con­text in this case. I guess it doesn’t gen­er­ate enough clicks.

And I sus­pect my pas­tor is going to have to explain this to more peo­ple who come ask­ing again.

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I had lunch with my pastor on Tuesday and the subject of Pope Francis came up.

One of the things he noted is that Francis tends to talk like a pastor counseling an individual in a specific situation rather than like a theologian making pronouncements on the faith.

The problem with this approach being that if you have the international media looking to spin your every word for the sake of drawing eyeballs and clicks not to mention pushing an agenda such pronouncements will likely not bear any resemblance to what you are actually trying to convey.

Yesterday was a great example.

I was driving to pick up a doctor’s note for my sick wife (Between my illness, being laid off and my wife’s illness February has been a bad month for me) and I turned on the radio and heard first CBS & then Rush Limbaugh, talk about the Pope and Donald Trump and the Pope and Contraception and did a double take.

Now if you are a faithful Catholic who is not familiar with the media’s regular attempts to spin everything the Pope says and does you might find yourself talking to your pastor this weekend and asking what’s going on? Is the pill OK to take now? Is the border fence considered a mortal sin?

However if you are a regular reader of the this blog you likely decided to do what I did, wait till you got home and look to see if John Allen vatican reporter extraordinaire reported on this and try to find the actual text of the various exchanges.

Lucky for Catholic everywhere Captain Ed Morrissey was on the job because at 4PM yesterday the Ed Morrissey show was coming on and lo and behold along with Salma Zito and our favorite Yid with Lid he had Mr. John Allen as a guest.

and he followed this up with a post at Hotair linking to the Catholic News service which had the actual transcripts of what the Pope said in context.

Here is the Donald Trump question and answer

Phil Pullella, Reuters: Today, you spoke very eloquently about the problems of immigration. On the other side of the border, there is a very tough electoral battle. One of the candidates for the White House, Republican Donald Trump, in an interview recently said that you are a political man and he even said that you are a pawn, an instrument of the Mexican government for migration politics. Trump said that if he’s elected, he wants to build 2,500 kilometers of wall along the border. He wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, separating families, etcetera. I would like to ask you, what do you think of these accusations against you and if a North American Catholic can vote for a person like this?

Pope Francis: Thank God he said I was a politician because Aristotle defined the human person as ‘animal politicus.’ At least I am a human person. As to whether I am a pawn, well, maybe, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to your judgment and that of the people. And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.

and here is the question on the Zika virus and contraception:

Paloma García Ovejero, Cadena COPE (Spain): Holy Father, for several weeks there’s been a lot of concern in many Latin American countries but also in Europe regarding the Zika virus. The greatest risk would be for pregnant women. There is anguish. Some authorities have proposed abortion, or else to avoiding pregnancy. As regards avoiding pregnancy, on this issue, can the Church take into consideration the concept of “the lesser of two evils?”

Pope Francis: Abortion is not the lesser of two evils. It is a crime. It is to throw someone out in order to save another. That’s what the Mafia does. It is a crime, an absolute evil. On the ‘lesser evil,’ avoiding pregnancy, we are speaking in terms of the conflict between the fifth and sixth commandment. Paul VI, a great man, in a difficult situation in Africa, permitted nuns to use contraceptives in cases of rape.

Don’t confuse the evil of avoiding pregnancy by itself, with abortion. Abortion is not a theological problem, it is a human problem, it is a medical problem. You kill one person to save another, in the best case scenario. Or to live comfortably, no? It’s against the Hippocratic oaths doctors must take. It is an evil in and of itself, but it is not a religious evil in the beginning, no, it’s a human evil. Then obviously, as with every human evil, each killing is condemned.

On the other hand, avoiding pregnancy is not an absolute evil. In certain cases, as in this one, or in the one I mentioned of Blessed Paul VI, it was clear. I would also urge doctors to do their utmost to find vaccines against these two mosquitoes that carry this disease. This needs to be worked on.

As you can see, in context this sounds a whole lot different that it has been spun. For example his giving “The Benefit of the doubt” to Donald Trump and his comparison of Abortion to Mafia murder apparently were not considered all that newsworthy.

Moreover if the media had bothered to actually cover the Pope in Mexico, as John Allen did, they would know that he was very hard on a particular group of people. The Catholic Bishops:

There’s yet another constituency in Mexico right now feeling rather thoroughly judged by the pontiff, and, for the record, found not altogether up to snuff: the country’s roughly 170 Catholic bishops.

In a remarkable 4,500-word address to the bishops on Saturday, one of the most developed and detailed speeches of his papacy, Francis laid out a vision of the kind of prelate he believes the Church needs today — and left little doubt that it’s not always the kind of shepherd it actually has.

and he didn’t spare the government of Mexico either:

During five days in Mexico, Pope Francis excoriated government elites for denying their people justice and peace, told bishops to do more to alleviate their flock’s suffering at the hands of drug traffickers and corrupt officials, and pointedly avoided the pomp of Mexico City in favor of more humble settings.

While popes often offer gentle criticism on visits abroad, Francis seems to have gone even further in hectoring his hosts this trip. Observers said the pontiff clearly feels that both the Church and the government have failed Mexico’s people.

“The pope literally believes that the devil is on the loose in Mexico, sowing death, misery, and resignation, and he believes that the state, the Church and the drug dealers are complicit,”

I suspect that last critique of Mexico’s government is something every single GOP candidate would agree with, including Donald Trump.

Too bad nobody in the MSM is interested in either reporting his words in Mexico or his words in context in this case. I guess it doesn’t generate enough clicks.

And I suspect my pastor is going to have to explain this to more people who come asking again.

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I was laid off this week from my 3rd shift job so my plan to use said job to pay the mortgage while using the site to get out of debt in a couple of years is out the window unless we suddenly get 125 subscribers at $10 a month When I say I could use a hand right now I’m not kidding.

Since we all know the rosey description of the Obama economy by the MSM is BS to those who have kicked in (particularly subscribers), thanks much.

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