Facebook Dialogue for Dupes vs Direct Action

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Facebook Dialogue for Dupes vs Direct Action

Mont­gomery Scott: The Best Diplo­mat I know is a fully charged Phaser Bank

Star Trek A Taste of Armaged­don (1967)

There was a famous exchange between Harry Tru­man and Soviet For­eign Affairs Min­is­ter Vyach­eslav Molo­tov over the Sovi­ets refusal to carry out their agree­ments con­cern­ing Pol­ish Self Deter­mi­na­tion.

He then walks into the room with Molo­tov and has a very, very tough con­ver­sa­tion in which he tells Molo­tov that the Sovi­ets are not car­ry­ing out their agree­ments on Poland. And Molo­tov says, “We are.” And accord­ing to Truman’s record of this, “I then explain to him in words of one syl­la­ble,” Tru­man said, “exactly why they were not.” Molo­tov appar­ently said, “I have never been talked to like that in my life,” and Tru­man said, “Carry out your agree­ments and you won’t be talked to like that.”

That comes to mind when I hear about the after­math of the “Dia­logue” between Facebook/​Zuckerberg and Conservatives:

Dana Perino, co-​host of Fox News Channel’s “The Five,” says that Face­book rec­og­nizes that it has a ‘trust prob­lem’ with con­ser­v­a­tives fol­low­ing her meet­ing Wednes­day with the social network’s CEO Mark Zuckerberg.

Perino, for­mer White House press sec­re­tary for Pres­i­dent George W. Bush, was among a group of lead­ing con­ser­v­a­tives invited to the meet­ing at Facebook’s head­quar­ters in Menlo Park, Calif., fol­low­ing a Giz­modo report that sto­ries about con­ser­v­a­tive top­ics were pre­vented from appear­ing in Facebook’s trend­ing mod­ule. “FOX & Friends Week­end” co-​host and Daily Caller founder Tucker Carl­son also attended the meeting.

“They acknowl­edged that they have a trust prob­lem with a sig­nif­i­cant por­tion of their cus­tomer base and that they were try­ing to fig­ure out a way, at least a first step, to open a dia­logue so that they can try to fix it in the long run,” said Perino, speak­ing on “The Kelly File” fol­low­ing the meeting.

This per­fectly illus­trates why said “dia­logue” is useless.

Face­book doesn’t acknowl­edge a bias prob­lem, the only see a “Trust” prob­lem, thus they will hold “dia­logues” in the hope of show­ing “progress” in the hopes that these visu­als will cause con­ser­v­a­tives to believe they are doing something.

Alas for face­book, not only is the bias prob­lem real but as reported at The Lid , the Israel Law Cen­ter (Shu­rat HaDin) was able to prove it by set­ting up a pair of “hate” sites one anti-​jewish & one anti Pales­tini­ans grad­u­ally ramp­ing up the rhetoric on both until they both called for the death of their tar­gets. Then they reported each site to facebook.

Jeff Tells us what hap­pened:

On the very same day as the com­plaints were lodged, Face­book closed the anti-​Palestinian page email­ing back to the “per­son” who com­plained:
“We reviewed the page you reported for con­tain­ing cred­i­ble threat of vio­lence and found it vio­lates our Com­mu­nity Standards.”

The page incit­ing vio­lence against Jews, which used the same hate terms as the anti-​Palestinian one, was not closed by Face­book. This com­plained received a mes­sage stat­ing that site call­ing for the death of Jews was not in vio­la­tion of their rules.

The only thing less sur­pris­ing than this is what hap­pened next

Only after the Israel Law Cen­ter pub­lished the video below did Face­book change its mind. “As you may have noticed, we have now taken down both those pages as we made a mis­take ear­lier,” a Face­book spokesper­son explained in an email to the Law Center.

Oh it was a “mis­take”, what was that mis­take? Get­ting caught!

If face­book actu­ally wanted to solve their “trust” prob­lem the solu­tion is actu­ally pretty sim­ple: Stop show­ing bias against con­ser­v­a­tives and con­ser­v­a­tive sites.

How­ever I sub­mit that Face­book given the choice between aban­don­ing their lib­eral bias, or con­tin­u­ing a “dia­logue” in the hope that con­ser­v­a­tive jour­nal­ists gullible enough to believe them, or greedy enough to play along will be appeased, they’ll go with “dia­logue” every time while they con­tinue to do stuff like this:

An Emmy award-​winning actress on “The Mid­dle” and for­merly “Every­body Loves Ray­mond,” Heaton often uses her social media pages to speak out for unborn babies. Last week, Heaton shared her sup­port of a Wash­ing­ton, D.C. preg­nancy resource center’s work on her Twit­ter page:

The post was so pop­u­lar that it became a trend­ing news story on Face­book. How­ever, the social media site didn’t use Heaton’s words; instead, it char­ac­ter­ized her post this way, accord­ing to Hot Air: “Patri­cia Heaton: Actress Shares Anti-​Abortion Mes­sage, Says ‘Sup­port Life.’” “Is there any­thing in that mes­sage that is ‘anti-​abortion’? Absolutely not,” O’Connor wrote. “She is cel­e­brat­ing and hon­or­ing an orga­ni­za­tion, the North­west Cen­ter, which cares for preg­nant women and their chil­dren after they are born. … That is polit­i­cal bias. That is what it looks like. This is what we are talk­ing about.”

It’s worth not­ing that this was done three days AFTER the Giz­modo story with the blow­back already tak­ing place.

And I sug­gest that the Israel Law Center’s solu­tion to the face­book bias prob­lem is the best one:

They allege that social media, par­tic­u­larly post­ings by Pales­tini­ans on Face­book, “is spurring on the ter­ror­ist attacks against Israelis in the past month.”

The com­plaint says the plain­tiffs “have been liv­ing in the crosshairs of a mur­der­ous ter­ror­ist ram­page car­ried out by killers who attack peo­ple with knives, axes, screw­drivers, cars and Molo­tov cock­tails for no rea­son other than that the attacker per­ceives the vic­tims to be Jewish.”

In a wave of vio­lence this past month, 10 Israelis have been killed in shoot­ing and knif­ing attacks, and more than 50 Pales­tini­ans, more than half of them assailants, have been killed as well.

“Many of these mur­der­ers were moti­vated to com­mit their heinous crimes by incite­ment to mur­der they read on Face­book – dem­a­gogues and lead­ers exhort­ing their fol­low­ers to ‘slaugh­ter the Jews,’ and offer­ing instruc­tion as to the best man­ner to do so, includ­ing even “anatom­i­cal charts show­ing the best places to stab a human being.”

20,000 Jews have already joined the suit and Shu­rat HaDin is encour­ag­ing oth­ers to sign on:

Israeli attor­ney, Nit­sana Darshan-​Leitner, Direc­tor of Shu­rat HaDin, said that “for every Israeli that is sit­ting now at home – there is some­thing that can be done against ter­ror. Join us now. This action is impor­tant in the same way as actions to increase secu­rity on the ground and its goal is to stop the ter­ror. Today, Face­book has become a haven for ter­ror­ists: they pub­lish their actions on their Face­book pages, gar­ner sup­port, receive instruc­tions and direc­tion to mur­der Jews – and all this under the spon­sor­ship of a com­mer­cial com­pany that has the power to stop it eas­ily. At the time that Face­book suf­fices with words and tells us that it intends “to remove incit­ing pages” – the web­site is fill­ing up more and more each moment with severe incite­ment and it is our task to do every­thing to stop this.”

This suit is going to do more to change things at Face­book than any amount of meet­ings and photo ops.

Update: Milo gets it as well as the give em hell Harry ref­er­ence:

The prob­lem for Face­book is: nobody’s buy­ing it. Here’s the thing, Zuck — you’ve spent a year try­ing to out-​do Jack Dorsey with your barking-​mad pro­gres­sive procla­ma­tions (Amer­ica should “fol­low Germany’s lead on immi­gra­tion,” mes­sages in sup­port of All Lives Mat­ter are “deeply hurt­ful”).

Con­ser­v­a­tives — by which I mean the peo­ple at home — are not dumb. They know what the polit­i­cal pri­or­i­ties of your com­pany are, and they want to see truth and trans­parency or they will sim­ply leave the platform.

Zuckerberg’s staff aren’t prone to hid­ing their biases, which doesn’t help pub­lic rela­tions efforts. In April, we learned that a num­ber of Facebook’s staff voted to ask the CEO what the com­pany was doing to stop Don­ald Trump becom­ing Pres­i­dent. In other words, there are peo­ple at Face­book who want the social net­work to influ­ence elec­tions, and aren’t afraid of wear­ing that opin­ion on their sleeves. And they’re most likely in the majority.

Remem­ber their goal isn’t to solve a bias prob­lem their goal is to solve a trust prob­lem with­out touch­ing their bias. If you aren’t there to lay down the law then Glenn Beck’s not with­stand­ing you’re wast­ing your time.

Update 2: This is the head­line at Time

Glenn Beck: Face­book Made Us Feel More Wel­come Than the Repub­li­can Party Has

Who knew con­ser­vatism was all about “feel­ings” and here I was think­ing it was about facts

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Montgomery Scott: The Best Diplomat I know is a fully charged Phaser Bank

Star Trek A Taste of Armageddon (1967)

There was a famous exchange between Harry Truman and Soviet Foreign Affairs Minister Vyacheslav Molotov over the Soviets refusal to carry out their agreements concerning Polish Self Determination.

He then walks into the room with Molotov and has a very, very tough conversation in which he tells Molotov that the Soviets are not carrying out their agreements on Poland. And Molotov says, “We are.” And according to Truman’s record of this, “I then explain to him in words of one syllable,” Truman said, “exactly why they were not.” Molotov apparently said, “I have never been talked to like that in my life,” and Truman said, “Carry out your agreements and you won’t be talked to like that.”

That comes to mind when I hear about the aftermath of the “Dialogue” between Facebook/Zuckerberg and Conservatives:

Dana Perino, co-host of Fox News Channel’s “The Five,” says that Facebook recognizes that it has a ‘trust problem’ with conservatives following her meeting Wednesday with the social network’s CEO Mark Zuckerberg.

Perino, former White House press secretary for President George W. Bush, was among a group of leading conservatives invited to the meeting at Facebook’s headquarters in Menlo Park, Calif., following a Gizmodo report that stories about conservative topics were prevented from appearing in Facebook’s trending module. “FOX & Friends Weekend” co-host and Daily Caller founder Tucker Carlson also attended the meeting.

“They acknowledged that they have a trust problem with a significant portion of their customer base and that they were trying to figure out a way, at least a first step, to open a dialogue so that they can try to fix it in the long run,” said Perino, speaking on “The Kelly File” following the meeting.

This perfectly illustrates why said “dialogue” is useless.

Facebook doesn’t acknowledge a bias problem, the only see a “Trust” problem, thus they will hold “dialogues” in the hope of showing “progress” in the hopes that these visuals will cause conservatives to believe they are doing something.

Alas for facebook, not only is the bias problem real but as reported at The Lid , the Israel Law Center (Shurat HaDin) was able to prove it by setting up a pair of “hate” sites one anti-jewish & one anti Palestinians gradually ramping up the rhetoric on both until they both called for the death of their targets. Then they reported each site to facebook.

Jeff Tells us what happened:

On the very same day as the complaints were lodged, Facebook closed the anti-Palestinian page emailing back to the “person” who complained:
“We reviewed the page you reported for containing credible threat of violence and found it violates our Community Standards.”

The page inciting violence against Jews, which used the same hate terms as the anti-Palestinian one, was not closed by Facebook. This complained received a message stating that site calling for the death of Jews was not in violation of their rules.

The only thing less surprising than this is what happened next

Only after the Israel Law Center published the video below did Facebook change its mind. “As you may have noticed, we have now taken down both those pages as we made a mistake earlier,” a Facebook spokesperson explained in an email to the Law Center.

Oh it was a “mistake”, what was that mistake? Getting caught!

If facebook actually wanted to solve their “trust” problem the solution is actually pretty simple: Stop showing bias against conservatives and conservative sites.

However I submit that Facebook given the choice between abandoning their liberal bias, or continuing a “dialogue” in the hope that conservative journalists gullible enough to believe them, or greedy enough to play along will be appeased, they’ll go with “dialogue” every time while they continue to do stuff like this:

An Emmy award-winning actress on “The Middle” and formerly “Everybody Loves Raymond,” Heaton often uses her social media pages to speak out for unborn babies. Last week, Heaton shared her support of a Washington, D.C. pregnancy resource center’s work on her Twitter page:

The post was so popular that it became a trending news story on Facebook. However, the social media site didn’t use Heaton’s words; instead, it characterized her post this way, according to Hot Air: “Patricia Heaton: Actress Shares Anti-Abortion Message, Says ‘Support Life.’” “Is there anything in that message that is ‘anti-abortion’? Absolutely not,” O’Connor wrote. “She is celebrating and honoring an organization, the Northwest Center, which cares for pregnant women and their children after they are born. … That is political bias. That is what it looks like. This is what we are talking about.”

It’s worth noting that this was done three days AFTER the Gizmodo story with the blowback already taking place.

And I suggest that the Israel Law Center’s solution to the facebook bias problem is the best one:

They allege that social media, particularly postings by Palestinians on Facebook, “is spurring on the terrorist attacks against Israelis in the past month.”

The complaint says the plaintiffs “have been living in the crosshairs of a murderous terrorist rampage carried out by killers who attack people with knives, axes, screwdrivers, cars and Molotov cocktails for no reason other than that the attacker perceives the victims to be Jewish.”

In a wave of violence this past month, 10 Israelis have been killed in shooting and knifing attacks, and more than 50 Palestinians, more than half of them assailants, have been killed as well.

“Many of these murderers were motivated to commit their heinous crimes by incitement to murder they read on Facebook – demagogues and leaders exhorting their followers to ‘slaughter the Jews,’ and offering instruction as to the best manner to do so, including even “anatomical charts showing the best places to stab a human being.”

 

20,000 Jews have already joined the suit and Shurat HaDin is encouraging others to sign on:

Israeli attorney, Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, Director of Shurat HaDin, said that “for every Israeli that is sitting now at home – there is something that can be done against terror. Join us now. This action is important in the same way as actions to increase security on the ground and its goal is to stop the terror. Today, Facebook has become a haven for terrorists: they publish their actions on their Facebook pages, garner support, receive instructions and direction to murder Jews – and all this under the sponsorship of a commercial company that has the power to stop it easily. At the time that Facebook suffices with words and tells us that it intends “to remove inciting pages” – the website is filling up more and more each moment with severe incitement and it is our task to do everything to stop this.”

This suit is going to do more to change things at Facebook than any amount of meetings and photo ops.

Update: Milo gets it as well as the give em hell Harry reference:

The problem for Facebook is: nobody’s buying it. Here’s the thing, Zuck — you’ve spent a year trying to out-do Jack Dorsey with your barking-mad progressive proclamations (America should “follow Germany’s lead on immigration,” messages in support of All Lives Matter are “deeply hurtful”).

Conservatives — by which I mean the people at home — are not dumb. They know what the political priorities of your company are, and they want to see truth and transparency or they will simply leave the platform.

Zuckerberg’s staff aren’t prone to hiding their biases, which doesn’t help public relations efforts. In April, we learned that a number of Facebook’s staff voted to ask the CEO what the company was doing to stop Donald Trump becoming President. In other words, there are people at Facebook who want the social network to influence elections, and aren’t afraid of wearing that opinion on their sleeves. And they’re most likely in the majority.

Remember their goal isn’t  to solve a bias problem their goal is to solve a trust problem without touching their bias.  If you aren’t there to lay down the law then Glenn Beck’s not withstanding you’re wasting your time.

Update 2:  This is the headline at Time

Glenn Beck: Facebook Made Us Feel More Welcome Than the Republican Party Has 

Who knew conservatism was all about “feelings” and here I was thinking it was about facts

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