President Obama ranks, slightly better than Buchannan: Trump?

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President Obama ranks, slightly better than Buchannan: Trump?

Start­ing tomor­row the rub­ber hits the road we will now see if he can cut down the might­i­est tree in the for­est with a Her­ring gov­ern.

If he can win the war on ter­ror and turn the econ­omy around he’ll be a win­ner in my book.

DaT­e­chGuy Jan 20th 2009

8 Years ago I wrote a post titled Pres­i­dent Bush rank: Obama where I ranked the Bush pres­i­dency vs oth­ers pres­i­dents. After rank­ing Bush I said this about the incom­ing Obama administration:

Pres­i­dent Elect Obama has the poten­tial to end up any­where on his list. The trick is not to under rate him due to unreal expec­ta­tions or over­rate him due to his unique place in his­tory. Lets hope he earns high rat­ings due to high per­for­mance. As of today it will come down to the econ­omy and the war on ter­ror but who knows what tomor­row will bring?

Well it’s eight years later and now we know so let’s again look at my group­ing from the past.

I grouped them into 5 sec­tions the top teir one being

TR, Cleve­land, Lin­coln, Polk, Washington

As I said at the time both Cleve­land and Polk are great pres­i­dents who don’t get enough credit these days.

The 2nd group was

Rea­gan, Tru­man, FDR, McKin­ley, Mon­roe, Madison

As the years go by Rea­gan con­tin­ues to knock at the door of that top level but in my mind still doesn’t get in, and while many of my fel­low con­ser­v­a­tives would dis­agree I say vic­tory in WW 2 when the world was at Stake trumps FDR’s social­ist New Deal

The 3rd Group was

Kennedy, Ike, Coolidge, Hayes, Jack­son, Tyler, Jef­fer­son, John Adams and now George W Bush

The Obama years par­tic­u­larly the com­par­i­son con­cern­ing the war on give the temp­ta­tion to move Bush 2 into the higher level but I’m not quite there yet, plus his fool­ish response to the finan­cial cri­sis at the end of his term enabled a lot of the trou­ble that Obama made dur­ing his years.

Put sim­ply Barack Obama has no busi­ness being men­tioned in the same league with with any of those first three tiers

The 4th group was

Clinton,GHW Bush, Ford, LB John­son, Taft, Andrew John­son, Pierce, Fill­more, Taylor.

And Obama doesn’t rank with any of the. Ford did yeoman’s work restor­ing the coun­try, Clin­ton while a walk­ing scan­dal was able to work with a GOP con­gress, John­son for all the dis­as­ter of the great soci­ety has the civil rights act and was actu­ally win­ning in Viet­nam before the left under­cut him, Taft while no TR con­tin­ued man of his poli­cies and while Andrew John­son, Franklin Pierce, Mil­lard Fill­more and Zach Tay­lor either failed to stop a com­ing civil war or failed to unite a nation after one, all respected the rule of law or the Con­sti­tu­tion. And the First Bush not only won the 1st Iraq war but man­aged to build a inter­na­tional group to sup­port it.

The bot­tom tier of US pres­i­dents is

Carter, Nixon, Hoover, Hard­ing, Wil­son, B. Har­ri­son, Garfield, Grant, Buchanan, WH. Har­ri­son, Van Buren, JQ Adams.

Barack Obama owns this bot­tom tier and the ques­tion really is where within it does he lie? It’s a mea­sure of how bad the Obama years were that it forces us to make lev­els in the bot­tom tier of pres­i­dents in order to find his true ranking.

The best of that bot­tom tier are: Wil­son, Nixon and WH Har­ri­son and Ben Har­ri­son his grand­son and Obama can’t com­pete with any of them

He eas­ily ranks below Wil­son because Wilson’s win in the 1st World War Trumps Obama’s fail­ures, He also ranks below Nixon because not only did Tricky Dick have many actual accom­plish­ments he only talked about weaponiz­ing the IRS to use against his foes the Obama admin­is­tra­tion actu­ally did it. In many ways the Obama years where an image of what the Nixon might have been if the press was solidly repub­li­can and saw their duty as defend­ing him. Ben Har­ri­son man­aged to blow the country’s sur­plus by giv­ing it out to civil war vets and cre­at­ing a giant deficit that still haunts us today and his tar­iff poli­cies were awful which is the rea­son why his suc­cess­ful for­eign pol­icy agenda doesn’t get him out of this level He ranks below WH Har­ri­son because Har­ri­son died within a month of being sworn in and doing noth­ing would have been bet­ter than the Obama years.

How sad is it that a lit­eral “Do noth­ing” pres­i­dent is far supe­rior to Obama

The next level of that bot­tom tier are Garfield and JQ Adams Obama is not as good as either

Adams is the best of this batch, he came in under a cloud and accom­plished lit­tle despite his incred­i­ble skills, but he also didn’t have any big fail­ures, Garfield didn’t get much of a chance get­ting shot very early in his terms but his fight over patron­age in NY puts him over obama.

That leaves Carter, Hoover, Hard­ing, Grant, Buchanan, Van Buren and can Obama beat any of them?

There are two dis­tinct groups here, Buchanan, Van Buren and Hoover served at a time of Cri­sis and failed

Grant, Carter and Hard­ing all came in after a cri­sis and either didn’t suc­ceed or made things worse.

of the six Hard­ing is the eas­i­est to rank above the oth­ers sim­ply because of the eco­nomic state of the coun­try. His scan­dals were unable to make things worse.

Hoover and Van Buren both served in times of cri­sis and despite good records proved unequal to the task but both of them rank above Obama as nei­ther was able to make a bad sit­u­a­tion worse and made hon­est efforts to solve problems.

That leaves Grant, Carter and Buchanan vs Obama This is tough.

Grant likely has to make the top of the list here, His pres­i­dency was scan­dal rid­den but had at least four years of pros­per­ity and his for­eign pol­icy was mixed rather than a failure.

Carter has to come in next, his poli­cies harmed the econ­omy tremen­dously, his for­eign pol­icy was for the most part dis­as­trous from giv­ing away the panama canal to the Iran Hostage cri­sis and only his hijack of the talks between Israel and Egypt save him from dead bot­tom. The line that Jimmy Carter was a best case sce­nario for Obama which started to be said around 2012 turned out to be very true.

So that puts it down to Obama vs Buchanan as to who is the worst pres­i­dent of all time.

The Fail­ures of the Obama years from the mas­sive cor­rup­tion, the use of gov­ern­ment as a weapon against polit­i­cal ene­mies, the enabling of our foes and the sub­ju­ga­tion of our friends com­bined with a dis­mal econ­omy and the war on Chris­tian­ity both over­seas and at home makes Barack Obama unique among pres­i­dent in that you have to go back to Jef­fer­son Davis to find an Amer­i­can pres­i­dent more ded­i­cated to harm­ing the United States of Amer­ica than him.

How­ever while Obama’s fail­ures might have lead to civil war Buchanan’s actu­ally did. While one could argue that the cri­sis was build­ing for years so you can’t blame Buchanan one might also argue that he saw it com­ing and did not act to pre­vent it.

In both cases Obama’s actions and Buchanan’s inac­tion were con­sis­tent with their world­views. Buchanan’s sym­pa­thy to both Slav­ery and the south and Obama’s dis­like of Amer­ica and embrace of our ene­mies made any other result unlikely. Obama suf­fers because in com­par­i­son because of the high expec­ta­tions the peo­ple had of him but Buchanan suf­fers because unlike Obama he actu­ally had years of expe­ri­ence in both the House and Sen­ate as well as being Sec­re­tary of state to an ambas­sador to both Rus­sia and England.

Frankly in my mind you could choose either as the worst of the lot and not have a bad pick but if I’m pressed to choose I’d have to put Obama above old Buck sim­ply because Obama was an inex­pe­ri­enced and incom­pe­tent Chicago machine pol who had no busi­ness being pres­i­dent thus his fail­ures, while delib­er­ate, are not entirely unex­pected. Buchanan was an expe­ri­enced and sea­soned pol and diplo­mat so in my mind his cul­pa­bil­ity for the fail­ures which led to incred­i­ble blood­shed are con­sid­er­ably worse.

So as of right now I rank Barack Obama as 43rd out of 44 pres­i­dents of the United States edg­ing out James Buchanan. I’m sure oth­ers can make a case to reverse this order but that’s how I see it.

Mean­while we have Don­ald Trump com­ing in. He has two intrin­sic advantages:

The media and those who write his­tory absolutely hate him so not fail­ing will be seen as a success.

He fol­lows the worst admin­is­tra­tion in 156 years so he can’t help but do better.

I think for Trump suc­cess or fail­ure will come down to three things:

  1. The Econ­omy. If growth returns then that is what peo­ple will remember
  2. War on Ter­ror. Trump has a tough call here, he wants to both fight the war while keep­ing the US out of nation build­ing. That’s a tough combo to pull off but if he can stop ISIS while secur­ing the US he’ll be a success
  3. The South­ern bor­der. Nor­mally this would not be as impor­tant but because he made it an intrin­sic part of his cam­paign if a wall is not up or at least sub­stan­tially built that will hurt him

Again like Obama he could end up any­where on this list but if he man­ages these three things he will likely make at least tier 2. If he man­ages at least 2 of them tier 3.

Eight Years ago I said it would be fun to find out where Barack Obama would end up on my list. I was wrong, so rather than say the same about Trump let me just say it won’t be boring.


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Starting tomorrow the rubber hits the road we will now see if he can cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with a Herring govern.

If he can win the war on terror and turn the economy around he’ll be a winner in my book.

DaTechGuy Jan 20th 2009

8 Years ago I wrote a post titled President Bush rank:  Obama where I ranked the Bush presidency vs others presidents.  After ranking Bush I said this about the incoming Obama administration:

President Elect Obama has the potential to end up anywhere on his list. The trick is not to under rate him due to unreal expectations or overrate him due to his unique place in history. Lets hope he earns high ratings due to high performance. As of today it will come down to the economy and the war on terror but who knows what tomorrow will bring?

Well it’s eight years later and now we know so let’s again look at my grouping from the past.

I grouped them into 5 sections the top teir one being

TR, Cleveland, Lincoln, Polk, Washington 

As I said at the time both Cleveland and Polk are great presidents who don’t get enough credit these days.

The 2nd group was

Reagan, Truman, FDR, McKinley, Monroe, Madison

As the years go by Reagan continues to knock at the door of that top level but in my mind still doesn’t get in, and while many of my fellow conservatives would disagree I say victory in WW 2 when the world was at Stake trumps FDR’s socialist New Deal

The 3rd Group was

Kennedy, Ike, Coolidge, Hayes, Jackson, Tyler, Jefferson, John Adams and now George W Bush

The Obama years particularly the comparison concerning the war on give the temptation to move Bush 2 into the higher level but I’m not quite there yet, plus his foolish response to the financial crisis at the end of his term enabled a lot of the trouble that Obama made during his years.

Put simply Barack Obama has no business being mentioned in the same league with with any of those first three tiers

The 4th group was

Clinton,GHW Bush, Ford, LB Johnson, Taft, Andrew Johnson, Pierce, Fillmore, Taylor.

And Obama doesn’t rank with any of the.   Ford did yeoman’s work restoring the country, Clinton while a walking scandal was able to work with a GOP congress, Johnson for all the disaster of the great society has the civil rights act and was actually winning in Vietnam before the left undercut him, Taft while no TR continued man of his policies and while Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Millard Fillmore and Zach Taylor either failed to stop a coming civil war or failed to unite a nation after one, all respected the rule of law or the Constitution.  And the First Bush not only won the 1st Iraq war but managed to build a international group to support it.

The bottom tier of US presidents is

Carter, Nixon, Hoover, Harding, Wilson,  B. Harrison, Garfield, Grant, Buchanan, WH. Harrison, Van Buren, JQ Adams.

Barack Obama owns this bottom tier and the question really is where within it does he lie?  It’s a measure of how bad the Obama years were that it forces us to make levels in the bottom tier of presidents in order to find his true ranking.

The best of that bottom tier are:  Wilson, Nixon and WH Harrison and Ben Harrison his grandson and Obama can’t compete with any of them

He easily ranks below Wilson because Wilson’s win in the 1st World War Trumps Obama’s failures, He also ranks below Nixon because not only did Tricky Dick have many actual accomplishments he only talked about weaponizing the IRS to use against his foes the Obama administration actually did it.  In many ways the Obama years where an image of what the Nixon might have been if the press was solidly republican and saw their duty as defending him.  Ben Harrison managed to blow the country’s surplus by giving it out to civil war vets and creating a giant deficit that still haunts us today and his tariff policies were awful which is the reason why his successful foreign policy agenda doesn’t get him out of this level  He ranks below WH Harrison because Harrison died within a month of being sworn in and doing nothing would have been better than the Obama years.

How sad is it that a literal “Do nothing” president is far superior to Obama

The next level of that bottom tier are  Garfield and JQ Adams Obama is not as good as either

Adams is the best of this batch, he came in under a cloud and accomplished little despite his incredible skills, but he also didn’t have any big failures, Garfield didn’t get much of a chance getting shot very early in his terms but his fight over patronage in NY puts him over obama.

That leaves Carter, Hoover, Harding,  Grant, Buchanan, Van Buren and  can Obama beat any of them?

There are two distinct groups here, Buchanan, Van Buren and  Hoover served at a time of Crisis and failed

Grant, Carter and Harding all came in after a crisis and either didn’t succeed or made things worse.

of the six Harding is the easiest to rank above the others simply because of the economic state of the country.  His scandals were unable to make things worse.

Hoover and Van Buren both served in times of crisis and despite good records proved unequal to the task but both of them rank above Obama as neither was able to make a bad situation worse and made honest efforts to solve problems.

That leaves Grant, Carter and Buchanan  vs Obama This is tough.

Grant likely has to make the top of the list here, His presidency was scandal ridden but had at least four years of prosperity and his foreign policy was mixed rather than a failure.

Carter has to come in next, his policies harmed the economy tremendously, his foreign policy was for the most part disastrous from giving away the panama canal to the Iran Hostage crisis and only his hijack of the talks between Israel and Egypt save him from dead bottom.  The line that Jimmy Carter was a best case scenario for Obama which started to be said around 2012 turned out to be very true.

So that puts it down to Obama vs Buchanan as to who is the worst president of all time.

The Failures of the Obama years from the massive corruption, the use of government as a weapon against political enemies, the enabling of our foes and the subjugation of our friends combined with a dismal economy and the war on Christianity both overseas and at home makes Barack Obama unique among president in that you have to go back to Jefferson Davis to find an American president more dedicated to harming the United States of America than him.

However while Obama’s failures might have lead to civil war Buchanan’s actually did.  While one could argue that the crisis was building for years so you can’t blame Buchanan one might also argue that he saw it coming and did not act to prevent it.

In both cases Obama’s actions and Buchanan’s inaction were consistent with their worldviews.  Buchanan’s sympathy to both Slavery and the south and Obama’s dislike of America and embrace of our enemies made any other result unlikely.  Obama suffers because in comparison because of the high expectations the people had of him but Buchanan suffers because unlike Obama he actually had years of experience in both the House and Senate as well as being Secretary of state to an ambassador to both Russia and England.

Frankly in my mind you could choose either as the worst of the lot and not have a bad pick but if I’m pressed to choose I’d have to put Obama above old Buck simply because Obama was an inexperienced and incompetent Chicago machine pol who had no business being president thus his failures, while deliberate, are not entirely unexpected.  Buchanan was an experienced and seasoned pol and diplomat so in my mind his culpability for the failures which led to incredible bloodshed are considerably worse.

So as of right now I rank Barack Obama as 43rd out of 44 presidents of the United States edging out James Buchanan.  I’m sure others can make a case to reverse this order but that’s how I see it.

Meanwhile we have Donald Trump coming in.  He has two intrinsic advantages:

The media and those who write history absolutely hate him so not failing will be seen as a success.

He follows the worst administration in 156 years so he can’t help but do better.

I think for Trump success or failure will come down to three things:

  1. The Economy.  If growth returns then that is what people will remember
  2. War on Terror.  Trump has a tough call here, he wants to both fight the war while keeping the US out of nation building.  That’s a tough combo to pull off but if he can stop ISIS while securing the US he’ll be a success
  3. The Southern border.  Normally this would not be as important but because he made it an intrinsic part of his campaign if a wall is not up or at least substantially built that will hurt him

Again like Obama he could end up anywhere on this list but if he manages these three things he will likely make at least tier 2.  If he manages at least 2 of them tier 3.

Eight Years ago I said it would be fun to find out where Barack Obama would end up on my list.  I was wrong, so rather than say the same about Trump let me just say it won’t be boring.


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