Illegal Immigration, Illegal Voting, Infinitesimal protests and Math

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Illegal Immigration, Illegal Voting, Infinitesimal protests and Math

One of the things about train­ing and expe­ri­ence as an engi­neer and a love of his­tory is you get a delight­ful com­bi­na­tion of math­e­mat­i­cal, logic and access to the thoughts of some of the great­est peo­ple who ever lived in history.

And while these great minds over the course of thou­sands of years might not be as sharp enough to help me per­ceive the extra 30+ and grow­ing gen­ders that a per­son like this one, this one or even this one they have made deduc­tive rea­son­ing pretty straightforward.

Which brings me to this story (via Pat Dol­lard):

The little-​noticed His­panic sur­vey was con­ducted in June 2013 by McLaugh­lin and Asso­ciates to gauge the opin­ions of U.S. res­i­dent Lati­nos on a wide range of issues.

Inside the poll is a page devoted to voter pro­files. Of the ran­domly selected sam­ple of 800 His­pan­ics, 56 per­cent, or 448, said they were non-​citizens, and of those, 13 per­cent said they were reg­is­tered to vote. The 448 would pre­sum­ably be a mix of ille­gal immi­grants and nonci­t­i­zens who are in the U.S. legally, such as visa hold­ers or per­ma­nent residents.

(empha­sis mine)

Two things jump out at me 1st the fact that the poll is “lit­tle known”, that’s important.

One of the things about a com­pletely politi­cized soci­ety is that things get spun, if a set of data is col­lected under the radar, away from var­i­ous activists groups look­ing to spin it. For exam­ple this 2003 CPAN broad­cast con­cern­ing that year’s sur­vey drew a whole 25 views.

As a rule it’s pretty tough to claim the fix is in when some­thing been going on for decades and you haven’t been com­plain­ing about it, thus there will be some prob­lems if the left wants to pooh pooh it.

The sec­ond impor­tant thing high­lighted is the per­cent­age of peo­ple admit­ting that they were reg­is­tered to vote, it’s sig­nif­i­cant because it’s very ille­gal and yet 13% were will­ing to admit doing so.

This sug­gest that the actual num­ber is higher, per­haps much higher as peo­ple gen­er­ally don’t like to admit to crimes (par­tic­u­larly things that might turn out to be fed­eral offenses) to a bunch of strangers.
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But for the sake of argu­ment con­sider these num­bers cor­rect as they are and ask your­self this

What’s 13% of 30 million?

If 13% of Ille­gal immi­grants admit to being ille­gally reg­is­tered to vote that’s 3.9 mil­lion people.

Remind me how many fraud­u­lent votes did Pres­i­dent Trump claim were out there?

A lot more than these peo­ple man­aged to turn out: “Not My Pres­i­dent” Protests Across Coun­try Fizzle

The protests which promised thou­sands failed to pro­duce mass amounts of pro­test­ers. There was no cohe­sive mes­sage, just a gen­eral tone of dis­ap­proval towards a pres­i­dent who has only been in office one month. This “resis­tance” move­ment might lend itself more cred­i­bil­ity if they cen­tered around a par­tic­u­lar pol­icy or even waited until Trump has done some­thing worth protest­ing. Alas…

More impor­tantly the USA today report said “thou­sands” not “tens of thou­sands” or “Hun­dreds of thou­sands” but “thou­sands” NATIONWIDE.

In other words for a protest held in a coun­try of 324 mil­lion where tens of mil­lions of peo­ple voted for some­one else orga­niz­ers of this protest couldn’t even get ten or twenty thou­sand nation­wide on a national hol­i­day dur­ing school vaca­tion week

Put sim­ply there are a lot less of these pro­test­ers than they and the media pre­tend to be, in fact based on this poll I sus­pect the num­ber of Ille­gal Immi­grants vot­ing ille­gally out­num­ber them by the hun­dreds of thou­sands (dare I say millions?)

You may not like that con­clu­sion, it may make you angry or in the mod­ern par­lance “trig­ger” you, but in the end the math is the math, as any good engi­neer will tell you.

Pre-​post update: Pop­u­la­tion of Knoxville over 180K

“Forty min­utes after it began, less than 10 peo­ple had attended Mon­day evening’s ‘Not My Pres­i­dents Day’ protest in Mar­ket Square in Knoxville.… The event con­sisted of five or six peo­ple argu­ing with a lone Don­ald Trump supporter.”

I know that’s a red state but even if Trump won the city 7030 that’s over 50,000 poten­tial protestors.


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One of the things about training and experience as an engineer and a love of history is you get a delightful combination of mathematical, logic and access to the thoughts of some of the greatest people who ever lived in history.

And while these great minds over the course of thousands of years might not be as sharp enough to help me perceive the extra 30+ and growing genders that a person like this one, this one or even this one they have made deductive reasoning pretty straightforward.

Which brings me to this story (via Pat Dollard):

 

The little-noticed Hispanic survey was conducted in June 2013 by McLaughlin and Associates to gauge the opinions of U.S. resident Latinos on a wide range of issues.

Inside the poll is a page devoted to voter profiles. Of the randomly selected sample of 800 Hispanics, 56 percent, or 448, said they were non-citizens, and of those, 13 percent said they were registered to vote. The 448 would presumably be a mix of illegal immigrants and noncitizens who are in the U.S. legally, such as visa holders or permanent residents.

(emphasis mine)

Two things jump out at me 1st the fact that the poll is “little known”, that’s important.

One of the things about a completely politicized society is that things get spun, if a set of data is collected under the radar, away from various activists groups looking to spin it. For example this 2003 CPAN broadcast concerning that year’s survey drew a whole 25 views.

As a rule it’s pretty tough to claim the fix is in when something been going on for decades and you haven’t been complaining about it, thus there will be some problems if the left wants to pooh pooh it.

The second important thing highlighted is the percentage of people admitting that they were registered to vote, it’s significant because it’s very illegal and yet 13% were willing to admit doing so.

This suggest that the actual number is higher, perhaps much higher as people generally don’t like to admit to crimes (particularly things that might turn out to be federal offenses) to a bunch of strangers.
this
But for the sake of argument consider these numbers correct as they are and ask yourself this

What’s 13% of 30 million?

If 13% of Illegal immigrants admit to being illegally registered to vote that’s 3.9 million people.

Remind me how many fraudulent votes did President Trump claim were out there?

A lot more than these people managed to turn out: “Not My President” Protests Across Country Fizzle

The protests which promised thousands failed to produce mass amounts of protesters. There was no cohesive message, just a general tone of disapproval towards a president who has only been in office one month. This “resistance” movement might lend itself more credibility if they centered around a particular policy or even waited until Trump has done something worth protesting. Alas…

More importantly the USA today report said “thousands” not “tens of thousands” or “Hundreds of thousands” but “thousands” NATIONWIDE.

In other words for a protest held in a country of 324 million where tens of millions of people voted for someone else organizers of this protest couldn’t even get ten or twenty thousand nationwide on a national holiday during school vacation week

Put simply there are a lot less of these protesters than they and the media pretend to be, in fact based on this poll I suspect the number of Illegal Immigrants voting illegally outnumber them by the hundreds of thousands (dare I say millions?)

You may not like that conclusion, it may make you angry or in the modern parlance “trigger” you, but in the end the math is the math, as any good engineer will tell you.

Pre-post update: Population of Knoxville over 180K

“Forty minutes after it began, less than 10 people had attended Monday evening’s ‘Not My Presidents Day’ protest in Market Square in Knoxville. . . . The event consisted of five or six people arguing with a lone Donald Trump supporter.”

I know that’s a red state but even if Trump won the city 70-30 that’s over 50,000 potential protestors.


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