“Moderate” Islam is the German Baker in Band of Brothers

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"Moderate" Islam is the German Baker in Band of Brothers

Caleb: There’s no virtue in dying, Leela.
Leela: That rather depends on what you do to avoid it.

Doc­tor Who: The Face of Evil 1977

The cycle has begun again, a bunch of Islamists slaugh­ter a bunch of Brits and even as the blood is still flow­ing the media lashes out, not at those who are killing the inno­cent, but at those who would unapolo­get­i­cally name those who kill them while insist­ing that we must take into account the feel­ings of Mus­lims who had noth­ing to do with the carnage.

The most frus­trat­ing thing about the sit­u­a­tion is it doesn’t seem to mat­ter how many times a Pam Geller, or a Robert Spencer warn peo­ple about what’s hap­pen­ing, it doesn’t mat­ter how many attacks from all over the world are listed by the Reli­gion of Peace web­site (all doc­u­mented) the greater pub­lic sim­ply refuses to acknowl­edge the reality.

Fur­ther­more the real prob­lem in a sense is the so called “mod­er­ate” fol­low­ers of Islam which sup­pos­edly out­num­ber the rad­i­cals by far, yet some­how they never seem inclined to purge this can­cer from their reli­gion or restrain their fel­lows. Fur­ther­more they are not forth­com­ing con­cern­ing their fel­lows and ter­ror, indeed there have been reports of peo­ple being advised not to cor­po­rate with the FBI and police inves­ti­gat­ing rad­i­cals within their midst.

Per­haps it’s a lost cause, but let me try one more time to explain the sit­u­a­tion in a way our lib­eral friends might understand.

Mod­er­ate Mus­lims are the Ger­man baker in the 9th episode of Band of Brothers.

Let me set up the clip. A patrol from easy com­pany is going through the woods the scene sud­denly changes to Sgt. Per­conte run­ning into town has come across their first death camp.

Per­conte: Major Wintes, sir…We found some­thing out on patrol and…We came across this–
Major Win­ters: What? What? Frank? Frank what is it?
Per­conte: I don’t know sir

They come to the camp, shocked what they see and when they ques­tion pris­on­ers in the camp they dis­cover what it’s about:

Joseph Lieb­gott: He says it’s a work camp for…“Unerwuenschter.” I’m not sure what the word means, sir. Uh, “unwanted,” “dis­liked,” maybe?
Cpt. Nixon: “Crim­i­nals?“
Joseph Lieb­gott: I don’t think “crim­i­nals,” sir. Ver­brecher?
Camp pris­oner: Ver­brecher? Nein, nein.
Joseph Lieb­gott: No.
Camp pris­oner: Ärzte, Musiker, Beamter, Bauern…
Joseph Lieb­gott: Doc­tors, musi­cians…
Camp pris­oner: Schreiber, Schnei­der, Intellek­tuelle…
Joseph Lieb­gott: Tai­lors, clerks, farm­ers, intel­lec­tu­als. I mean, nor­mal peo­ple.
Camp pris­oner: Juden. Juden. Juden.
Joseph Lieb­gott: [softly] They’re Jews.
Camp pris­oner: Pole, Ziege­uner.
Joseph Lieb­gott: Poles and Gypsies.

The peo­ple in the camp are starv­ing so the troops imme­di­ately head into town and start grab­bing all the food they can carry and that is where we see the Ger­man Baker who is out­raged that all of his wares that he worked so hard to bake are being taken but Pvt Web­ster is hav­ing none of it. Here is the text of their exchange:

David Web­ster: Shut up! I said, shut up, you Nazi fuck! [grabs baker]
Ger­man Baker: Ich-​ich bin kein Nazi! (I’m not a Nazi)
David Web­ster: Oh, you’re not a Nazi? My mis­take, you fat fuck­ing prick. What about a human being? Are you one of those, or are you going to tell me that you never smelt the fuck­ing stench? [of the nearby con­cen­tra­tion camp]
Ger­man Baker: Toten sie mich nicht! Bitte toten sie mich nicht! (“Don’t kill me! Please don’t kill me!”) Ich ver­stehe nicht was du da sagst! (I do not under­stand what you say)
Pvt. Joseph Lesniewski: Leave him alone, Web. He says he doesn’t know what the hell you’re talk­ing about.
David Web­ster: Bull­shit.

Nat­u­rally we as Amer­i­cans are with Web­ster here and have noth­ing but dis­gust for the Ger­man Baker, but just for a moment con­sider the sit­u­a­tion the Baker was in.

He is a Ger­man, liv­ing in a city of Ger­mans, in a cul­ture that has com­pletely embraced the val­ues of Nazism. We don’t know what he actu­ally thinks about any of this stuff, so let’s ask the one basic ques­tion obvi­ous question:

Even if the Baker had a moral objec­tion to what was going on, was there any way, said Baker could, act on that objec­tion to the what was being done at the camp with­out end­ing up either dead or in the camp himself?

Short answer: There isn’t!

There is a rea­son why we cel­e­brate those who resisted the Nazi’s because it took a huge amount of moral courage to take a step the could die or (and many did). That kind of courage is not the norm, it’s the exception.

And that brings us to our “mod­er­ate Mus­lims” in the west and elsewhere.

The vast major­ity of said Mus­lims, par­tic­u­larly in Europe may be in the west, but have not assim­i­lated. They remain within their enclaves, within a cul­ture that still embraces Sharia, in which the val­ues of rad­i­cal Islam are openly expressed (in lan­guages other than Eng­lish of course) fur­ther­more large por­tions of their fam­i­lies still live in the Arab world.

What hap­pens if such a per­son sees some within that com­mu­nity preach­ing or embrac­ing jihad and decide to talk?

Will such a per­son be rejected by their com­mu­nity, their fam­ily both here or in the old coun­try? Will their fam­ily either at home or in the old coun­try be sub­ject to retal­i­a­tion for talk­ing? Will they fear for their lives? After all right now life is cheap in Libya, or Syria, or Iraq or else­where in the Arab world.

And if this is a risk in the west, mul­ti­ply that risk by 100 back in the Arab world when some­thing like the attacks on Cop­tic Chris­tians in Egypt.

That’s the real­ity, we aren’t count­ing on the aver­age Mus­lim to help us stop ter­ror, we are count­ing on Mus­lims immersed in a dif­fer­ent cul­tural norm to not only have our moral norm, but have the courage to act on those norms in the face of extra­or­di­nary risk.

For all the increased polic­ing, bet­ter secu­rity or improved sur­veil­lance that’s the bot­tom line. Unless we con­sider one other thing about that Ger­man Baker.

He was ready to deny the Nazi’s when he was more afraid of the Amer­i­cans than he was of his fel­low Germans.

If you want to get the aver­age unas­sim­i­lated Mus­lim to take the risk nec­es­sary to stop ter­ror­ists within their com­mu­nity, they have to be less afraid of what their fel­lows will do if they talk then they are of what we will do if they remain silent.


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Caleb: There’s no virtue in dying, Leela.
Leela: That rather depends on what you do to avoid it.

Doctor Who: The Face of Evil 1977

The cycle has begun again, a bunch of Islamists slaughter a bunch of Brits and even as the blood is still flowing the media lashes out, not at those who are killing the innocent, but at those who would unapologetically name those who kill them while insisting that we must take into account the feelings of Muslims who had nothing to do with the carnage.

The most frustrating thing about the situation is it doesn’t seem to matter how many times a Pam Geller, or a Robert Spencer warn people about what’s happening, it doesn’t matter how many attacks from all over the world are listed by the Religion of Peace website (all documented) the greater public simply refuses to acknowledge the reality.

Furthermore the real problem in a sense is the so called “moderate” followers of Islam which supposedly outnumber the radicals by far, yet somehow they never seem inclined to purge this cancer from their religion or restrain their fellows. Furthermore they are not forthcoming concerning their fellows and terror, indeed there have been reports of people being advised not to corporate with the FBI and police investigating radicals within their midst.

Perhaps it’s a lost cause, but let me try one more time to explain the situation in a way our liberal friends might understand.

Moderate Muslims are the German baker in the 9th episode of Band of Brothers.

Let me set up the clip. A patrol from easy company is going through the woods the scene suddenly changes to Sgt. Perconte running into town has come across their first death camp.

Perconte: Major Wintes, sir…We found something out on patrol and…We came across this–
Major Winters: What? What? Frank? Frank what is it?
Perconte: I don’t know sir

They come to the camp, shocked what they see and when they question prisoners in the camp they discover what it’s about:

Joseph Liebgott: He says it’s a work camp for…”Unerwuenschter.” I’m not sure what the word means, sir. Uh, “unwanted,” “disliked,” maybe?
Cpt. Nixon: “Criminals?”
Joseph Liebgott: I don’t think “criminals,” sir. Verbrecher?
Camp prisoner: Verbrecher? Nein, nein.
Joseph Liebgott: No.
Camp prisoner: Ärzte, Musiker, Beamter, Bauern…
Joseph Liebgott: Doctors, musicians…
Camp prisoner: Schreiber, Schneider, Intellektuelle…
Joseph Liebgott: Tailors, clerks, farmers, intellectuals. I mean, normal people.
Camp prisoner: Juden. Juden. Juden.
Joseph Liebgott: [softly] They’re Jews.
Camp prisoner: Pole, Ziegeuner.
Joseph Liebgott: Poles and Gypsies.

The people in the camp are starving so the troops immediately head into town and start grabbing all the food they can carry and that is where we see the German Baker who is outraged that all of his wares that he worked so hard to bake are being taken but Pvt Webster is having none of it. Here is the text of their exchange:

David Webster: Shut up! I said, shut up, you Nazi fuck! [grabs baker]
German Baker: Ich-ich bin kein Nazi! (I’m not a Nazi)
David Webster: Oh, you’re not a Nazi? My mistake, you fat fucking prick. What about a human being? Are you one of those, or are you going to tell me that you never smelt the fucking stench? [of the nearby concentration camp]
German Baker: Toten sie mich nicht! Bitte toten sie mich nicht! (“Don’t kill me! Please don’t kill me!”)   Ich verstehe nicht was du da sagst! (I do not understand what you say)
Pvt. Joseph Lesniewski: Leave him alone, Web. He says he doesn’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
David Webster: Bullshit.

Naturally we as Americans are with Webster here and have nothing but disgust for the German Baker, but just for a moment consider the situation the Baker was in.

He is a German, living in a city of Germans, in a culture that has completely embraced the values of Nazism. We don’t know what he actually thinks about any of this stuff, so let’s ask the one basic question obvious question:

Even if the Baker had a moral objection to what was going on, was there any way, said Baker could, act on that objection to the what was being done at the camp without ending up either dead or in the camp himself?

Short answer: There isn’t!

There is a reason why we celebrate those who resisted the Nazi’s because it took a huge amount of moral courage to take a step the could die or (and many did). That kind of courage is not the norm, it’s the exception.

And that brings us to our “moderate Muslims” in the west and elsewhere.

The vast majority of said Muslims, particularly in Europe may be in the west, but have not assimilated. They remain within their enclaves, within a culture that still embraces Sharia, in which the values of radical Islam are openly expressed (in languages other than English of course) furthermore large portions of their families still live in the Arab world.

What happens if such a person sees some within that community preaching or embracing jihad and decide to talk?

Will such a person be rejected by their community, their family both here or in the old country? Will their family either at home or in the old country be subject to retaliation for talking? Will they fear for their lives? After all right now life is cheap in Libya, or Syria, or Iraq or elsewhere in the Arab world.

And if this is a risk in the west, multiply that risk by 100 back in the Arab world when something like the attacks on Coptic Christians in Egypt.

That’s the reality, we aren’t counting on the average Muslim to help us stop terror, we are counting on Muslims immersed in a different cultural norm to not only have our moral norm, but have the courage to act on those norms in the face of extraordinary risk.

For all the increased policing, better security or improved surveillance that’s the bottom line. Unless we consider one other thing about that German Baker.

He was ready to deny the Nazi’s when he was more afraid of the Americans than he was of his fellow Germans.

If you want to get the average unassimilated Muslim to take the risk necessary to stop terrorists within their community, they have to be less afraid of what their fellows will do if they talk then they are of what we will do if they remain silent.


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