My Confederate Monument Opinion is the Same as the Union Soldiers who where shot at

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My Confederate Monument Opinion is the Same as the Union Soldiers who where shot at

Mar­shall Rooster Cog­burn: …you can for­get about your duty.
Eula Good­night: Your own Gen­eral Lee thought it was the most beau­ti­ful word in the Eng­lish lan­guage.
Mar­shall Rooster Cog­burn: What the devil do you know of Gen­eral Lee?
Eula Good­night: That he was a chris­t­ian gen­tle­man who was soundly whipped in the field by Yankees!

Rooster Cog­burn 1975

As a gen­eral rule I’m opposed to play­ing games with his­tory and real­ity. His­tory is what it is and a lot of trou­ble hap­pens when you try to fid­dle with it for the sake of an agenda. That basis also is suf­fi­cient to oppose remov­ing the con­fed­er­ate mon­u­ments in the south, much bet­ter, in my opin­ion to put up other mon­u­ments near and/​or with them and explain how and why these folks thought what they thought, why they choose to fight and what the gen­eral con­di­tion of both Amer­i­can and world cul­ture was so peo­ple under­stand how a nation’s deci­sion to kick the slav­ery can down the road for 60 years led to a destruc­tive Civil War. And given our cur­rent sit­u­a­tion lessons on how to avoid such a war might be a pretty good idea.

But there is one more point that I think over­rides all of these con­sid­er­a­tions in my mind and should be taken into account by all those self right­eous virtue sig­nal­ing folk try­ing to use this to raise their own polit­i­cal pro­file by play­ing the “trig­gered” card.

There were hun­dreds of thou­sands of Union causal­i­ties in the civil war. Accord­ing to the US Parks ser­vice over 340,000 died (over 110K in bat­tle). Fur­ther­more another 275,000 were wounded mean­ing tens of thou­sands of US sol­diers spent the rest of their lives maimed because of the var­i­ous gen­er­als hon­ored by those stat­ues and the troops who served under them.

Yet not only didn’t those Union Sol­diers begrudge the south hon­or­ing those who tried to kill them or suc­ceeded in crip­pling them, but the elected rep­re­sen­ta­tives of the Union sur­vivors not only felt no need to force the removal of said mon­u­ments but were per­fectly happy to vote hon­ors in those direc­tions even though:

  1. The south­ern states never at any time held a con­gres­sional majority
  2. The Union vets and their chil­dren were a sig­nif­i­cant vot­ing block that drove elec­tions nation­ally for decades.
  3. After the Civil war no south­erner occu­pied the White House until every sin­gle Civil War Vet from both sides was dead and said south­erner (LBJ) only became pres­i­dent due to Kennedy’s assassination.

Why didn’t they care? I sus­pect it was because they under­stood that the south had lost the war and lost it big time.

Again turn­ing to park ser­vice num­bers out of a pop­u­la­tion of 5.5 non slaves the south suf­fered over 483,000 casu­al­ties, nearly a tenth of the entire pop­u­la­tion. Over 194,000 con­fed­er­ate sol­diers came home wounded and when they did come home they found cities destroyed, their coun­try­side prac­ti­cally picked clean by the armies that had slaugh­tered and maimed their mil­i­tary age pop­u­la­tion and found that their wealth had been drained faster than a sink unclogged by liq­uid plumber.

The Union vets and their chil­dren were wise enough to under­stand that no mon­u­ment even if carved of the best mar­ble or stone whether in a city square or on the side of a moun­tain could change the fact that the south in gen­eral and the south­ern armies in par­tic­u­lar were thor­oughly and utterly defeated.

To my mind if the chil­dren of those union sol­diers, not to men­tion the men them­selves who were tar­geted for death and destruc­tion by the sub­jects of those fig­ures depicted in those stat­ues, weren’t offended enough by them to force their removal how much less of a claim do we have gen­er­a­tions later to be so offended that those mon­u­ments must go?

Let em keep their rocks.

Update: A pretty good counter argu­ment here


Marshall Rooster Cogburn: …you can forget about your duty.
Eula Goodnight: Your own General Lee thought it was the most beautiful word in the English language.
Marshall Rooster Cogburn: What the devil do you know of General Lee?
Eula Goodnight: That he was a christian gentleman who was soundly whipped in the field by Yankees!

Rooster Cogburn 1975

As a general rule I’m opposed to playing games with history and reality. History is what it is and a lot of trouble happens when you try to fiddle with it for the sake of an agenda. That basis also is sufficient to oppose removing the confederate monuments in the south, much better, in my opinion to put up other monuments near and/or with them and explain how and why these folks thought what they thought, why they choose to fight and what the general condition of both American and world culture was so people understand how a nation’s decision to kick the slavery can down the road for 60 years led to a destructive Civil War. And given our current situation lessons on how to avoid such a war might be a pretty good idea.

But there is one more point that I think overrides all of these considerations in my mind and should be taken into account by all those self righteous virtue signaling folk trying to use this to raise their own political profile by playing the “triggered” card.

There were hundreds of thousands of Union causalities in the civil war. According to the US Parks service over 340,000 died (over 110K in battle). Furthermore another 275,000 were wounded meaning tens of thousands of US soldiers spent the rest of their lives maimed because of the various generals honored by those statues and the troops who served under them.

Yet not only didn’t those Union Soldiers begrudge the south honoring those who tried to kill them or succeeded in crippling them, but the elected representatives of the Union survivors not only felt no need to force the removal of said monuments but were perfectly happy to vote honors in those directions even though:

  1. The southern states never at any time held a congressional majority
  2. The Union vets and their children were a significant voting block that drove elections nationally for decades.
  3. After the Civil war no southerner occupied the White House until every single Civil War Vet from both sides was dead and said southerner (LBJ) only became president due to Kennedy’s assassination.

Why didn’t they care? I suspect it was because they understood that the south had lost the war and lost it big time.

Again turning to park service numbers out of a population of 5.5 non slaves the south suffered over 483,000 casualties, nearly a tenth of the entire population. Over 194,000 confederate soldiers came home wounded and when they did come home they found cities destroyed, their countryside practically picked clean by the armies that had slaughtered and maimed their military age population and found that their wealth had been drained faster than a sink unclogged by liquid plumber.

The Union vets and their children were wise enough to understand that no monument even if carved of the best marble or stone whether in a city square or on the side of a mountain could change the fact that the south in general and the southern armies in particular were thoroughly and utterly defeated.

To my mind if the children of those union soldiers, not to mention the men themselves who were targeted for death and destruction by the subjects of those figures depicted in those statues, weren’t offended enough by them to force their removal how much less of a claim do we have generations later to be so offended that those monuments must go?

Let em keep their rocks.

Update: A pretty good counter argument here