Roy Moore and The Once Saved Always Saved Fallacy

by Datechguy | November 16th, 2017

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Roy Moore and The Once Saved Always Saved Fallacy

There is an angle con­cern­ing the Roy Moore case that nobody is talk­ing about and that’s the The­o­log­i­cal Aspect.

One of the things we are hear­ing from the Har­vey Wein­stein left and the Bill Clin­ton defend­ing media con­cern­ing Moore is the hypocrisy of a per­son who is asso­ci­ated with Chris­tian­ity in gen­eral and the Ten Com­mand­ments doing hor­ri­ble things and then lying about them. How can he do this?

While that state­ment is rife with irony given that less that 20 months ago they were try­ing to return Bill Clin­ton to the White House and wor­ship­ing Har­vey Wein­stein was a God it’s not a bad the­o­log­i­cal point and deserves an answer, par­tic­u­larly if they actu­ally believe Moore is lying and aren’t look­ing for a non-​democrat to join the ranks of the exposed.

So for the sake of the the­o­log­i­cal point I’m about to make and to answer the ques­tion asked, let’s pre­sume that despite the Har­vey Wein­stein left and the pre­var­i­cat­ing media, that spent decades defend­ing the Clin­tons and hid­ing the actions of the preda­tors of the Hol­ly­wood and polit­i­cal left, are actu­ally in this case cor­rect about both Moore’s past actions and him lying about them today. If this is in fact the left’s Anders Breivik in terms of sex­ual harass­ment how and why would a pre­sum­ably God-​fearing man be so will­ing to tell such a bla­tant lie about past since rather than sim­ply admit bad behav­ior in his younger days that he has gone beyond?

Well assum­ing that the “God-​fearing” part isn’t an act the answer may come from Protes­tant con­cept of One Saved Always Saved.

Under this the­ory, because, as all Chris­tians believe, Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind, past present and future (which is how Christ opened the gates of heaven for the right­eous who died before he was cru­ci­fied) once you accept Christ as your sav­ior all your sins, past present and future are forgiven.

Thus if Roy Moore belongs to a denom­i­na­tion that sub­scribes to this once saved always saved con­cept (not all Protes­tant Denom­i­na­tions do) then Moore has no fear of los­ing heaven by lying past sins or even com­mit­ting new ones because even a sin of pre­var­i­ca­tion being com­mit­ted for the sake per­sonal advance­ment would already be for­given, cov­ered by the blood of Christ and of no risk to his eter­nal sal­va­tion. Christ has done the heavy lift­ing so he can coast.

If Roy Moore was a Catholic of course he wouldn’t have this dodge. The Catholic Church has con­sis­tently taught for two thou­sand years that this is non­sense. Saint Paul him­self talks about run­ning the race to keep him­self from being dis­qual­i­fied ( 1 Cor 9:227) and St John talks about sin that leads to death (1 John 5:1617), we Catholics call such sins Mor­tal sins.

For a sin to be Mor­tal Sin it has to be a ques­tion of a grave mat­ter, done delib­er­ately with full under­stand­ing that it was wrong.

Fur­ther­more to a Catholic in this case there would be two mor­tal sins here, the sin of the lie itself and the sin of pre­sump­tion, that is, com­mit­ting a mor­tal sin in antic­i­pa­tion of con­fess­ing said sin to be absolved of it.

This is impor­tant because for a per­son to be absolved of sin, they have to have con­tri­tion for that sin, either per­fect con­tri­tion, mean­ing you hate the sin because of the love of God, or imper­fect con­tri­tion, mean­ing you hate the sin because of their fear of damna­tion (imper­fect con­tri­tion requires sacra­men­tal con­fes­sion.) If a per­son is com­mit­ting a sin with the inten­tion of con­fess­ing it after the fact demon­strates a lack of the nec­es­sary con­tri­tion for for­give­ness. After all Jesus him­self taught that not all who cry Lord Lord will enter the king­dom of heaven. (Matt 7:2123).

Now again we don’t know if Roy Moore is telling the truth or lying, and as of this writ­ing I’m still giv­ing him the ben­e­fit of he doubt but if he IS lying and fig­ur­ing it is no big deal because it’s cov­ered by the blood of Christ, believe he has a lot more to worry about than the poten­tial of los­ing a sen­ate seat.

Clos­ing thought. If he is lying now but later con­fesses and repents, as Chris­tians we are obliged if asked to for­give the sin. We aren’t how­ever obliged to sup­port his election.

There is an angle concerning the Roy Moore case that nobody is talking about and that’s the Theological Aspect.

One of the things we are hearing from the Harvey Weinstein left and the Bill Clinton defending media concerning Moore is the hypocrisy of a person who is associated with Christianity in general and the Ten Commandments doing horrible things and then lying about them. How can he do this?

While that statement is rife with irony given that less that 20 months ago they were trying to return Bill Clinton to the White House and worshiping Harvey Weinstein was a God it’s not a bad theological point and deserves an answer, particularly if they actually believe Moore is lying and aren’t looking for a non-democrat to join the ranks of the exposed.

So for the sake of the theological point I’m about to make and to answer the question asked, let’s presume that despite the Harvey Weinstein left and the prevaricating media, that spent decades defending the Clintons and hiding the actions of the predators of the Hollywood and political left, are actually in this case correct about both Moore’s past actions and him lying about them today. If this is in fact the left’s Anders Breivik in terms of sexual harassment how and why would a presumably God-fearing man be so willing to tell such a blatant lie about past since rather than simply admit bad behavior in his younger days that he has gone beyond?

Well assuming that the “God-fearing” part isn’t an act the answer may come from Protestant concept of One Saved Always Saved.

Under this theory, because, as all Christians believe, Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind, past present and future (which is how Christ opened the gates of heaven for the righteous who died before he was crucified) once you accept Christ as your savior all your sins, past present and future are forgiven.

Thus if Roy Moore belongs to a denomination that subscribes to this once saved always saved concept (not all Protestant Denominations do) then Moore has no fear of losing heaven by lying past sins or even committing new ones because even a sin of prevarication being committed for the sake personal advancement would already be forgiven, covered by the blood of Christ and of no risk to his eternal salvation. Christ has done the heavy lifting so he can coast.

If Roy Moore was a Catholic of course he wouldn’t have this dodge. The Catholic Church has consistently taught for two thousand years that this is nonsense. Saint Paul himself talks about running the race to keep himself from being disqualified ( 1 Cor 9:2-27) and St John talks about sin that leads to death (1 John 5:16-17), we Catholics call such sins Mortal sins.

For a sin to be Mortal Sin it has to be a question of a grave matter, done deliberately with full understanding that it was wrong.

Furthermore to a Catholic in this case there would be two mortal sins here, the sin of the lie itself and the sin of presumption, that is, committing a mortal sin in anticipation of confessing said sin to be absolved of it.

This is important because for a person to be absolved of sin, they have to have contrition for that sin, either perfect contrition, meaning you hate the sin because of the love of God, or imperfect contrition, meaning you hate the sin because of their fear of damnation (imperfect contrition requires sacramental confession.) If a person is committing a sin with the intention of confessing it after the fact demonstrates a lack of the necessary contrition for forgiveness. After all Jesus himself taught that not all who cry Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matt 7:21-23).

Now again we don’t know if Roy Moore is telling the truth or lying, and as of this writing I’m still giving him the benefit of he doubt but if he IS lying and figuring it is no big deal because it’s covered by the blood of Christ, believe he has a lot more to worry about than the potential of losing a senate seat.

Closing thought. If he is lying now but later confesses and repents, as Christians we are obliged if asked to forgive the sin. We aren’t however obliged to support his election.

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