I Can’t Wait for Election Day NYT Comments / IowaHawk Edition

by Datechguy | May 15th, 2018

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I Can't Wait for Election Day NYT Comments / IowaHawk Edition

Spock: It was far eas­ier for you as civ­i­lized man to act as bar­bar­ians, than for them as bar­bar­ians to act like civ­i­lized men.

Star Trek Mirror,Mirror 1967

If you really want to see how far the left has gone take a look at the com­ments in the NYT arti­cle ref­er­enced by Twitchy yes­ter­day but not the just com­ments the NYT Picks. All the Empha­sis is mine

The author is with us, really he is

As a lib­eral aca­d­e­mic liv­ing in deep-​red Indi­ana, I bear wit­ness to the frus­tra­tions expressed by both sides. Hence my dis­ap­point­ment with the defen­sive com­ments here that miss the points that Alexan­der has raised. No, he is not say­ing that all lib­er­als are arro­gant; nor is he deny­ing the intrin­sic worth of lib­eral val­ues (which I’m con­fi­dent that he largely shares with us); and he’s cer­tainly not deny­ing that a great many Trump sup­port­ers are racist, stu­pid, igno­rant and/​or in the thrall of Fox “News” and other pro­pa­gan­dists. But he’s right that there’s a huge bloc of vot­ers — con­ser­v­a­tive lib­er­tar­i­ans, Hillary-​haters, those alien­ated by our dys­func­tional pres­i­den­tial sys­tem — who could be won over in ’20 if we showed them more respect.

See you don’t have to like them for real

Hey we’ve been nice to these con­ser­v­a­tive for too long

I am a true blue Demo­c­rat. And I have been turn­ing the other cheek to con­ser­v­a­tives and their name-​calling and harm­ful poli­cies since Rea­gan and his gang were in office.

I agree that it does no good to malign a group with broad brush strokes. But all that turn­ing the other cheek and mak­ing nice just ended up here — with a crazy crook and his mis­cre­ants® in all the power posi­tions of government.

Turn­ing the other cheek doesn’t work when the other side is play­ing hard­ball. And with unlim­ited guns, no less.

Fail­ing to call out the ugli­ness is a mis­take. If you are going down, go down swinging.

I am not encour­ag­ing us Dems to be ugly but at least we need to take a stand and speak the truth. And racism is real and wide­spread in the repub­li­can party of 1980 to present.

There, I said it.

Noth­ing says “racist” like beat­ing Democ­rats and in the 80’s is when it started happening.

And why SHOULD I be nice to these bas­tards any­ways?

Tell me, as a gay His­panic male of color why should I be respect­ful of homo­pho­bic, fas­cist, racist, clas­sist views that this pres­i­dent embod­ies and pro­motes? If you vote for a per­son that rep­re­sents those ideas you are okay with those ideas. Or at least they don’t bother you so much because they don’t affect you. We do not need to be polite to Trump sup­port­ers or even Trump vot­ers. In fact, I think we should be like Michelle Wolf. If they are embar­rassed it’s because deep inside they know that their ideals are wrong. If they vote out of spite it means that they hate peo­ple like me, that they hate women, and any­one who is not a white straight male. Or at the very least, they do not care about what hap­pens to any­one who is not part of the major­ity in power. So no, I will not be “nice”. I for one am super tired of con­ser­v­a­tives telling me how to feel about my oppression.

Isn’t it funny how so many other his­pan­ics are try­ing so hard to get into or stay in this sup­pos­edly racist, facist, clas­sist, homo­pho­bic coun­try that Trump runs?

And you prove you’re evil by just sup­port­ing Trump

Straw men. “Some lib­er­als” this, and “some lib­er­als” that. Some con­ser­v­a­tives are active, aggres­sive mem­bers of neo-​Nazi orga­ni­za­tions. Are they dri­ving away some lib­er­als who might oth­er­wise vote for Trump? The prob­lem is that Mr. Alexan­der almost sug­gests that really, there are two equally valid polar­i­ties in U.S. pol­i­tics and those who love Mr. Trump should be regarded as equally respectable with those who sup­port the Democ­rats. But they are not equal: one side likes a leader who often sounds like a child­ish, imma­ture, bul­ly­ing blow-​hard. The other side does not. If Trump is your leader, and you admire him and his party, you are not rea­son­ably enti­tled to respect for your polit­i­cal views. This is not like the dif­fer­ence between those who are pro-​free trade and those who are against. It’s the dif­fer­ence between the pol­i­tics of hate and exclu­sion and the pol­i­tics of mutual respect and inclusion.

Why not just say “As a blas­phe­mer you should be stoned to death.” and be done with it

The fun part, the piece they were com­ment­ing, in my opin­ion, didn’t run in the Times because the Times like Trump or Trump vot­ers, I sus­pect it ran in the times because they under­stand that unless Democ­rats change they will lose in 2018, 2020 and beyond.

I think Iowa­hawk has them pegged

Lib­er­al­ism is their reli­gion not their polit­i­cal belief and they do not tol­er­ate heretics

I can’t wait for elec­tion day.

Spock: It was far easier for you as civilized man to act as barbarians, than for them as barbarians to act like civilized men.

Star Trek Mirror,Mirror 1967

If you really want to see how far the left has gone take a look at the comments in the NYT article referenced by Twitchy yesterday but not the just comments the NYT Picks.  All the Emphasis is mine

The author is with us, really he is

As a liberal academic living in deep-red Indiana, I bear witness to the frustrations expressed by both sides. Hence my disappointment with the defensive comments here that miss the points that Alexander has raised. No, he is not saying that all liberals are arrogant; nor is he denying the intrinsic worth of liberal values (which I’m confident that he largely shares with us); and he’s certainly not denying that a great many Trump supporters are racist, stupid, ignorant and/or in the thrall of Fox “News” and other propagandists. But he’s right that there’s a huge bloc of voters – conservative libertarians, Hillary-haters, those alienated by our dysfunctional presidential system – who could be won over in ’20 if we showed them more respect.

See you don’t have to like them for real

Hey we’ve been nice to these conservative for too long

I am a true blue Democrat. And I have been turning the other cheek to conservatives and their name-calling and harmful policies since Reagan and his gang were in office.

I agree that it does no good to malign a group with broad brush strokes. But all that turning the other cheek and making nice just ended up here – with a crazy crook and his miscreants(R) in all the power positions of government.

Turning the other cheek doesn’t work when the other side is playing hardball. And with unlimited guns, no less.

Failing to call out the ugliness is a mistake. If you are going down, go down swinging.

I am not encouraging us Dems to be ugly but at least we need to take a stand and speak the truth. And racism is real and widespread in the republican party of 1980 to present.

There, I said it.

Nothing says “racist” like beating Democrats and in the 80’s is when it started happening.

And why SHOULD I be nice to these bastards anyways?

Tell me, as a gay Hispanic male of color why should I be respectful of homophobic, fascist, racist, classist views that this president embodies and promotes? If you vote for a person that represents those ideas you are okay with those ideas. Or at least they don’t bother you so much because they don’t affect you. We do not need to be polite to Trump supporters or even Trump voters. In fact, I think we should be like Michelle Wolf. If they are embarrassed it’s because deep inside they know that their ideals are wrong. If they vote out of spite it means that they hate people like me, that they hate women, and anyone who is not a white straight male. Or at the very least, they do not care about what happens to anyone who is not part of the majority in power. So no, I will not be “nice”. I for one am super tired of conservatives telling me how to feel about my oppression.

Isn’t it funny how so many other hispanics are trying so hard to get into or stay in this supposedly racist, facist, classist, homophobic country that Trump runs?

And you prove you’re evil by just supporting Trump 

Straw men. “Some liberals” this, and “some liberals” that. Some conservatives are active, aggressive members of neo-Nazi organizations. Are they driving away some liberals who might otherwise vote for Trump? The problem is that Mr. Alexander almost suggests that really, there are two equally valid polarities in U.S. politics and those who love Mr. Trump should be regarded as equally respectable with those who support the Democrats. But they are not equal: one side likes a leader who often sounds like a childish, immature, bullying blow-hard. The other side does not. If Trump is your leader, and you admire him and his party, you are not reasonably entitled to respect for your political views. This is not like the difference between those who are pro-free trade and those who are against. It’s the difference between the politics of hate and exclusion and the politics of mutual respect and inclusion.

Why not just say “As a blasphemer you should be stoned to death.” and be done with it

The fun part, the piece they were commenting, in my opinion, didn’t run in the Times because the Times like Trump or Trump voters, I suspect it ran in the times because they understand that unless Democrats change they will lose in 2018, 2020 and beyond.

I think Iowahawk has them pegged

Liberalism is their religion not their political belief and they do not tolerate heretics

I can’t wait for election day.

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