Up early today right from the start.

6:01 a.m. Obama defending the bill. Joe is worried that neither side really doesn’t have a clue.

6:02 a.m. Barnicle All the other stuff is for later do the financial stuff first.

6:03 a.m. Scarborough is quoting the Limbaugh plan favorably on MSNBC. Olberman and Maddow will soon go Kryten.

6:08 a.m. Barnicle should be talking up Dunkin Donuts not Starbucks.

6:09 a.m. Shock Shocked I’m shocked that a Nazi war Criminal might have been hiding in an Arab country for decades. Who would have thought it. (this deserves its own post and will get it.)

6:10 a.m. Hate to say it but I think Joe’s question concerning an abortion connection is not an invalid one. And in case people haven’t figured it out you can’t be doing this stuff while claiming the mantle of Christianity. See Brown, John and the slavery issue.

6:14 a.m. Joe points out the Ponzi scheme nature of Social Security, in fairness to the congress that passed it at the time we weren’t killing our kids and large families were not only the norm but had always been the norm. The idea that this would change would have occurred less to people of the 30’s then gay marriage and the removal of prayer in schools.

6:31 a.m. Dionne is commenting that no president can walk on water, is this a new revelation to the press. Who wants to bet that the press will claim credit if this bill fails and uses it as an example of them “standing up” to the new president?

6:36 a.m. This is a guy who never once had to make payroll, and neither have a lot of these guys.

6:41 a.m. The president’s oped is really getting trashed here, Mika is trying to give him a little slack.

6:42 a.m. These guys think Larry Summers is God, I know of one blogger who would disagree.

6:52. a.m. Isn’t that the same name as the Springfield team on the Simpsons?

6:54 a.m. Madoff stole from Sandy Koufax, that’s where we draw the line.

6:57 a.m. I’ve always hated the baby investor commercials. I suspect he was in charge of it all.

6:59 a.m. Judd v Palin advantage Palin.

7:03 a.m. Barnicle has fun with full exposure.

7:08 a.m. They are talking about the parallels between the pressure for the bill and Going into Iraq. That’s very unfair. “The Rush to War in Iraq” canard is an insult to history and to anyone who actually paid attention at the time.

7:24 a.m. Is executive pay congress’ business? Sen Welch Reed “Tax Payers are now high equity investors” I think he has a very good point. If are shareholders he have a vote. This is why these business’ shouldn’t have been in a rush to take government money.

7:26 a.m. He is focusing on the unemployment extension when asked why the bill should be voted on. Why not just pass that alone says I?

7:27 a.m. Joe: This bill doesn’t follow the gospel of Summers. Welch Reed: “Yes it does” Joe: “No it doesn’t” Welch Reed: “Yes it does.”

7:29 a.m. It’s all the fault of tax cuts that we are in this mess in the first place. It’s all Bush’s fault.

7:31 a.m. A question on Afghanistan and a solid answer remembering Pakistan.

7:35 a.m. Joe’s example is excellent but it inadvertently reveals a truth concerning men. RedSox with Joe or Mickey D’s with Mika? I think Mika wins that one. It is instinct. If it was Joe and Willy then Joe’s point would carry. Men like being with beautiful women even if there is nothing going on.

7:40 a.m. Jack Welsh: “Revenge is a bad [economic] strategy.”

7:42 a.m. Leave the pork in the 3rd bucket, focus on real stimulus. Get a bill that creates jobs. Energy and healthcare is stimulus and the safety net.

7:44 a.m. Explains mark to market. This is very important to understand. Capital has to be put against uncertain assets. They couldn’t loan the money they had to restore the balance sheet.

7:46 a.m. Forcing Fannie & Freddy to loan is a big part of the problem.

7:48 a.m. Don’t give the content away screams Joe, screw the kids. Welsh: They have to monetize the web but we can’t see how.

7:54 a.m. We need to have an informed public for a democracy. This is a joke coming from someone from Time Magazine, the New York Times, Washington post etc. If they actually REPORTED and did their job of reporting instead of advocating what they want and burrying what they don’t want to report then it would be different.

8:07 a.m. Jane Harmon for CIA chief!

8:12 a.m. The difference between S&L is we took over banks as failed banks and sold assets at .20 on the dollar. A lot of us got rich on it. The problem is these banks are too big to do the same.

8:14 a.m. None of the banks in trouble are hiring ANYONE say Jack Welsh.

8:22 a.m. “I don’t need you to tell me you hate fraud.” He wasn’t necessarily wrong.

8:24 a.m. Mika: “I wonder if Bernie Madoff really meant to hurt anyone?” Me: “Ketchup you want ketchup on lobster? BOOM!

8:28 a.m. Jack Welsh: “Is he going to get a better bill?” Todd: “He has to modify it to get the most conservative democrats on board.”

8:29 a.m. Most powerful speaker since Rayburn says Joe? Bull. Tip O’Neil was more powerful because he dealt with the people below him from a position of trust.

8:30 a.m. Chuck Todd: “I think the house republicans don’t matter. I don’t think Joe and Jane in Missouri are counting if he gets house republicans.”

8:32 a.m. Joe gives them a history lesson circa 1994.

8:34 a.m. Is it just me or has everyone forgotten that 11 dems voted against this bill too?

8:35 a.m. Jack is at the web chat, Erin Burnett is giving the job report (it’s bad) and Sen Webb is due to come one for real this time.

8:39 a.m. From the web chat:

[Comment From Jim Thompson]
“Buy America”, how do you feel about this?

Jack Welch: Good morning Jim. I think it’s a disaster, we went through this with Smoot-Haley in the 30s and it reduced global trade by two-thirds in 24 months

8:41 a.m. Mika’s got a baby in hand and like all women I’ve ever seen just glows when she is holding a child, my wife is the same way.

8:43 a.m. The live comments are taking over from the pre-sent questions in the chat.

8:44 a.m. Webb is trying to get a group together for compromise on the bill.

8:52 a.m. The Bale outburst hides the fact that time is money on the set.

8:58 a.m. Courtney has the baby and can’t think of anything else.

9:07 a.m. Stayed for Willie Geist’s chat question asked by me:

Hi Willie: One of the things I notice about the show is that you guys seem to have a lot of fun and not take each other too seriously but aren’t afraid to say what you think. Would you say that is the secret of the show’s success?

full disclosure asked a question under my name, under guest and Under the blogs name.

Willie Geist: Peter, thanks for the question. You’re right that we don’t take ourselves very seriously. We take the news and our guests very seriously, but you won’t ever catch us saying we’re “Keeping Them Honest” or that we’re “On Your Side”. Better to just keep people honest and be on your side without announcing that you’re keeping them honest and being on your side, you know?

9:14 a.m. My cunning plan to sneak in a 2nd question by not using my name has succeeded!

[Comment From Guest]
MSNBC is considered a very liberal network . Yet your show is very appealing to conservatives like me. How do you manage it?

Willie Geist: Good question about MSNBC. I can tell you with a straight face that we really have no agenda on Morning Joe. Joe is as tough on Republicans as he is on Democrats. I have no dog in the fight – I just like calling people out when the act like fools. And, yes, Mika does own a Barack Obama cheerleader outfit, but she can be unbiased sometimes. Being predictable doesn’t strike me as very interesting.

You know when after a Vatican investigation of the head of a major catholic order it is decided to:

invite the father to a reserved life of penitence and prayer, relinquishing any form of public ministry. The Holy Father approved these decisions.

That suggested there was some there there. Well it took a year after the old man’s death but this stuff is finally coming out publicly:

The Legionaries of Christ, an influential Roman Catholic religious order, have been shaken by new revelations that their founder, who died a year ago, had an affair with a woman and fathered a daughter just as he and his thriving conservative order were winning the acclaim of Pope John Paul II.

Before his death, the founder, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado, had been forced to leave public ministry by Pope Benedict XVI because of accusations from more than a dozen men who said he had sexually abused them when they were students.

Lots of commentary, starting with the American Papist who is all over this:

the Legionaries of Christ have some hard decisions to make with regards to how they respond to this crisis concerning the founder. The eyes of the world are on them, and the prayers of the universal Church are with them. It is somewhat encouraging to see that the current head of the LC’s personally saw to it that a thorough investigation took place. Now let’s hope they follow through on their discoveries.

And he has plenty more on the subject: Continue reading “You didn’t think the guy was sanctioned for nothing did you?”

It looks like This is not going to go away. Darren Hutchinson is hot and angry and shows no signs of backing down:

But this forms the basis of the charge of hypocrisy. Human rights groups detailed in numerous policy statements the specific aspects of Bush’s program with which they disagreed. These practices certainly included rendition to torture and indefinite detention, but they also involved the lack of judicial oversight and denial of access to counsel. If liberals now believe that some activists overreached by criticizing the lack of judicial oversight or legal representation in their arguments condemning Bush, then they should express this point. It is absolutely disingenuous to argue instead that human rights groups only disagreed with rendition to torture and indefinite detention, when the organizations’ own words demonstrate that they made a fuller set of arguments.

Furthermore, describing Bush’s plan as “extraordinary” does very little to defend “rendition” in the Obama administration. Labels do not give rise to human rights violations. Specific practices do.

This back and forth is going to be interesting to re-visit at the end of the Obama Presidency.

…over a group of 50 US Catholic (and I use that word very loosely here) sending a letter to the pope concerning the lifting of the excommunication of the St. Pius X society bishops.

Obviously there are no IQ tests for congressmen. The first thing you might want to do before signing a letter addressed to the Holy Father is to make sure you are factually correct or perhaps even in the ballpark. I guess I must have missed the announcement that Bishop Williamson was reinstated – what diocese was he assigned? It is also of course true that the majority of these same Catholic Congressman have 100 percent NARAL records. I guess they are also all holocaust deniers. They deny the holocaust of abortion that has killed 50 million children while at the same time voting to support abortion. There have more than a log in their eye when condemning the Pope, I think the Amazon was deforested to provide enough logs for their eyes.

The ignorance or dishonesty of the media is nothing new, just too bad that Catholics join into this.

The reason he won’t be going Kryten is he wasn’t willing to take a Sucker bet, you can’t get outraged over what you expect. If these “Catholics” can’t understand the whole “Abortion is Bad” concept do we expect them to understand Excommunication?

Father Z is all over this stuff. After all he called it.

He recommends a prayer for the pope here. My prayer of choice for the pope is this: At the end of the Rosary pray the end chain backwards (1 glory be, 3 hail marys, 1 Our Father, one Creed) and offer those closing prayers for the Holy Father and his intentions.

You won’t hear me say that about Daily Kos very often but this post deserves it strongly:

To: Anyone who sent his or her resume to my transition team
From: The President of the United States

Please pay your taxes. We kinda need them, what with the financial crisis and the massive stimulus spending and whatnot. Thanks.

No Andrea Mitchell or Doris Kearns Goodwin nonsense for Trapper John. No blaming Bush. A straight out do the right thing. Wonderful!

I can’t say the same for Marc Ambinder.

He is very sensitive to public opinion, and his public image has taken a major beating. He was portrayed emphasis mine as a tax delinquent, a guy who lived by a different set of standards.

This is opposed to what it turned out he actually was: A tax delinquent, a guy who lived by a different set of standards.

Via Jules Crittenden who is having an awful lot of fun with this.

verb: derived from the Red Dwarf episode Beyond a Joke where the concept of Lister wanting Ketchup served with his Lobster causes his head to explode as shown here.

1. The state caused when an event is so shocking to the system that it causes the head to spontaneously explode.

2. The act of one’s head exploding over events that can’t be processed.

3. The current state of Obama supporters who might now be realizing that he had less experience and legislative ability than Dan Quayle; by a LOT.

Update: found an embed

Had to drop off the wife to work and her car to the garage so late to Morning Joe. Ironically on Imus today Doris Kearns Goodwin was echoing Andrea Mitchell in the its no big deal business. She has no excuse she grew up in a working class house.

8:01 a.m. Calling William Henry Harrison’s start as worse than the president is unfair. He lasted a month before dying and didn’t make the same mistakes that this president had.

8:06 a.m. Tell me since ball clubs stadiums are often paid for with public funds are we going to get a pay limit on players. I guess Manny might have been wrong turning down that 20 million

8:09 a.m. Would Ronald Reagan say to Tip that “I won”? Noonan After 6 p.m. with some wine in him.

8:12 a.m. Isn’t the money that Wells Fargo was going to spend on their employees money that provides stimulus to the economy?

8:15 a.m. There is a time for profits? What is the point of being in business if you are not trying to make profits? A business that is not trying to be profitable isn’t a business, it is a hobby or a charity.

8:23 a.m It’s amazing how once the poll numbers on the package tanked and the thought that the emperor might not have clothes how people like Huffington suddenly will come up against it.

8:29 a.m. You know the small local banks in town here are doing fine.

8:31 a.m. Back to back commercials,

Then this:

The standard MSNBC viewer’s heads are going to blow up on this one.

8:36 a.m. Mark Haynes: Get people on who know what they are talking about…”Ariana doesn’t know what she is saying”

8:39 a.m. Edited the 8:31 entry to replace the descriptions of the ads with the ads themselves. Since our friends on the left reflexively believe both of these sources as gospel they are likely to go Kryten.

8:41 a.m. Only in America are the poor fat. Who said that last week?

8:42 a.m. Mentioning that the Army has fat camps for recruits.

8:43 a.m. The ethics of the octuplets. They are all crying foul. I wonder if they would be crying if she aborted them. At game night the cry was jail the mother and take the kids away. I thought that liberals decided that a woman’s right to control reproduction is absolute?

8:46 a.m. Avoid dying? You can put it off but you can’t avoid it.

8:56 a.m. This is the age of Blago, and Mika is still rather fetching in those black boots. (Does anyone say fetching anymore?)

I mentioned this morning while Morning Joe blogging that I didn’t care for Andrea Mitchell. Its for reasons like this:

During MSNBC’s live coverage on Tuesday of the sudden resignation of Health and Human Services nominee Tom Daschle, reporter Andrea Mitchell suggested to Republican Senator Jim DeMint that the American public will see this as the GOP having “brought him [Daschle] down.” The Democratic nominee resigned over a growing controversy which revealed that the former Senate majority leader owed $140,000 in back taxes. (He has since paid them.) Mitchell sympathetically described talking to the ex-senator: “I just got off the phone with Tom Daschle. And it was an emotional conversation. He was clearly- it sounded as though he were tearful, overwrought.”

So let me get this straight. Tom “Tax cheats should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law” Daschle didn’t pay 140k in back taxes. The GOP objects and he ends up withdrawing and this is a BAD thing?

I certainly hope the GOP gets blamed for this.

Update: Added the missing “l” and Doris Kearns Goodwin is in that turf today.

tonight is game night and its my choices of games. Did Napaleon in Europe last time and I got slaughtered.

I’m torn between Age of Empires the boardgame or Talisman. I haven’t played Age in a long time while Talisman has a new expansion that I haven’t given a shot to.

Well after a full family dinner of NY Sirloin, Brishole, Spinach and green salad, Fresh chicken breast Patties, baked potatoes , sauteed onions and peas I’ve settled on Age of Empires