With all the hysterical and un-serious nonsense as to where president Bush ranks.  Here is a more sober ranking of my own.  Two things concerning i:

This is a ranking as president not as an American otherwise both Adams, Hoover and Jefferson would rank much higher.

I reserve the right to change my mind upon reflection as we are farther away and judgement can be made in a more sober manor.

I rank him easily better than

Carter, Nixon, Hoover, Harding, Wilson,  B. Harrison, Garfield, Grant, Buchanan, WH. Harrison, Van Buren, JQ Adams.

The first Harrison and Garfield can’t get a fair shake but you can’t beat something with nothing.  I think Wilson is the most overrated president in history with Jefferson close behind.  As time goes by the disaster that was Jimmy Carter becomes more and more apparent.

I rank him slightly better than

Clinton,GHW Bush, Ford, Johnson, Taft, Andrew Johnson, Pierce, Fillmore, Taylor.

Ford and Johnson might rank better Ford due to being the right man at the right time rather than as a great president, If it wasn’t for the civil rights Johnson would sink here.  Clinton was my toughest call; his failures helped setup the challenges of the W Bush presidency but he often doesn’t get credit for actual successes.  He is the only person on this list that has the potential to both rise and fall.

I rank him comperable to

Kennedy, Ike, Coolidge, Hays, Jackson, Tyler, Jefferson, John Adams

I give Adams and Taylor points here for dealing with unique situations both could and maybe should go lower.  Other than the Louisiana Purchase and the Barbary wars I didn’t care much for the Jefferson presidency but Louisiana was so huge in the history of the country that it raises him.  Kennedy might be too high but the space goal and preventing Nuclear War over Cuba are both huge.  This is an odd place since as president Bush’s place in history changes these men will move up or down based on it.

I rank him inferior to

Reagan, Truman, FDR, McKinley, Monroe, Madison

Madison might be too high here, and Reagan and Truman might both be too low, The new deal was functionally poor but psychologically important but even if it wasn’t so WW II nearly bumps him to the top section.

I rank him not in the same league as

TR, Cleveland, Lincoln, Polk, Washington

Polk and Cleveland were great presidents who have been forgotten.  I suggest studying them both since they both deserve to be known better.  People who object to them being so high don’t know them.

President Elect Obama has the potential to end up anywhere on his list.  The trick is not to under rate him due to unreal expectations or overrate him due to his unique place in history.  Lets hope he earns high ratings due to high performance.  As of today it will come down to the economy and the war on terror but who knows what tomorrow will bring?  If he is really bad then he has the potential to help propel GWB much higher on the list.

It will be fun to find out.

If you need a solid number as of today for President Bush we’ll say 14th or 15th but any spot from 12-20 wouldn’t phase me.  This number will remain fluid for at least a decade.

I’ve already mentioned Hollywood’s hollow presidential pledges and Andrew Breitbart’s superb answer (which you should read at once if you haven’t already).

Here is my pledge as one who held a McCain Palin sign at my polling place for hours on election day:

  • I pledge to support the president when I think he is right and oppose him when I think he is wrong.
  • I pledge to respect and support our troops, our country, its system and its honor in the same way I did during the Bush years.
  • I pledge to show the office of the presidency the respect it deserves.
  • I pledge to give Barak Obama the man the respect due to any man.
  • I pledge when his term is over to judge Obama place in history based on actual history not hysterics as our friends on the left are currently judging President Bush.

Any questions?

Update Huge Whoops dropped words in the sentence above now corrected it. Thanks to Renee for the catch, totally missed it. Must be the John Roberts in me.

We opined a couple of days ago about the hell and censorship and short sheeting of beds that the left suffered under the evil Bush-Hitler-Satan-Sauren et-al last week. You might remember this bit we quoted from the wall street journal:

As far as The Nation is concerned, just about every progressive bookstore, musician, theater troupe and mime is committed to fighting the stranglehold of censorship. Except, well, they don’t actually get censored

There was actually plenty of censorship going on during the Bush years, but not in America. I wrote about it often in the old HiWired blog before we went under. One example:

While the Net Neutrality debate continues in the USA, China shows the world how censorship is actually done:

On Monday authorities blocked the search engines of Sina.com and Sohu.com to try to upgrade their censorship capabilities, website staff said.

We all know how important upgrades are to a system.

She refused to specify what aspects of the search engine had been inspected. But on Tuesday Sina staff said the government was seeking to enhance the censorship capabilities to better preempt “unhealthy” content.

Yup; got to make sure those nasty words like Democracy and freedom are blocked properly…

…Back in the 80’s I had a co-worker whose family had been able to get out of the Soviet Union during the cold war. He had the gift of perspective that some lack.

Well we are still 15 hours away from the start of the Obama era and we are already seeing interesting stuff:

Exhibit A: Rap lyrics suddenly cleaned up can’t say boo to the CIA when it belongs to the one:

This politic bit of self-censorship is another, although I admit, I didn’t expect the agency that plays Snidely Whiplash in so many lefty fantasies to be absolved so soon. Then again, even by the standards of most Obama cultists, will.i.am’s always been unusually devout; if the avatar of Change asks you to suspend your criticism of the government in the interests of Hope, how do you tell him no

Not to worry commenter Scott explains all:

Has it occurred to anyone that will.i.am simply had the common sense to realize that under the circumstances, he needed to tone the song down? Or do people just assume he’s not that smart?

Posted By: Scott | January 19, 2009 at 04:59 PM

Right we all know how the left practiced decorum during the Bush years. Wasn’t there a disruption of a Rick Warren’s Martin Luther King Day Sermon just today?

Exhibit B Controversial items dropped from broadcasts and “speaker malfunctions“:

It turns out, Obama and his transition team didn’t want Robinson in the broadcast. His invocation was specifically referred to as part of the “pre-show” not included in the broadcast, which was again sold to HBO limiting the audience of it from the beginning.

That doesn’t even mention the fact that a large portion of the audience in attendance didn’t even hear the prayer because of a “speaker malfunction.” (From GetReligion.org contributer and Gannett reporter in Washington Mollie Ziegler: Friends who went down to the Lincoln Memorial reported that the microphone cut out just as Robinson began his prayer and only came back on as he said “Amen.”)

After all middle America that was fed pablum from the mainstream press is now paying attention. Can’t have them see his supporters saying the real stuff.

Exhibit C: Comedians can’t find anything funny about Obama:

Dan Gregor, the screenwriter, volunteered for the Obama campaign, working on phone banks with many comedians. “We felt, like, actual ownership of the political process in some way,” he said. “This felt like the right way to cap that off.”

That sounds awfully sincere. “It’s the death of comedy,” Mr. Gregor said. “We’ve entered the era of sincerity. That’s unfortunate because sincerity is pretty bland. But if it makes the world better, I’ll give up sarcasm.”

After all can’t bite the hand that they supported. Self censorship for political reasons. So much for the truth to power theory. After all they are too busy suddenly deciding that we are all Americans now and pledging to do all those good thing that they just couldn’t bring themselves to do with Bush in Office.

Andrew Breitbart answers them bluntly:

Remember this video: It is a instructive relic of the era of celebrity decadence and boutique anti-Republican activism under President Bush. It is a sickening display that they want fast and easy absolution for having comported themselves like ill-behaved children for eight difficult and war-torn years.

Good luck, President Obama. The rest of you can go to hell.

Exhibit D: The real thing officially announced by authorities:

Mason school officials said they are taking a proactive educational approach in advance of next week’s planned Inauguration Day activities.

“Inappropriate comments that may make other students, staff or families feel unwelcome or uncomfortable in school or on the bus will not be tolerated,” Superintendent Kevin Bright said in an e-mail sent to parents Monday, Jan. 12.

After all this is the one, not a conservative president or candidate. Was it only just 4 months ago that my son and I saw a school superintendent standing with students at a Palin appearance in NH as they screamed she was a bad mother because her daughter was unmarried and pregnant?

I suspect we will be seeing a lot of this stuff. And the media will entourage us conservatives to be quiet and go along.

Like Hell!

This post from Glenn Reynolds is a short but telling.:

MCCAIN ON OBAMA APPOINTMENTS: “Many of these appointments he would have made himself.”

One might say that this explains why so many conservatives stayed home. I didn’t.

However if one actually reads the article there is this very important point:

He added, “Obama does not want to be the guy who lost Iraq when it is close to being won.”

That is the thing that may redeem this presidency. It is inevitable that liberals would get power sooner or later as much as it was inevitable that the power of the purse would corrupt conservatives. That’s the nature of the world. The primary reason why I supported McCain was the war. The primary reason why I held a sign at a polling place in the bluest of blue states on Election Day was Sarah Palin as I support her positions considerably more than Sen McCain’s.

If the president elect prosecutes the war to victory then I will consider his presidency a success since that is the president’s primary job. There is always 2012 or 2016 for Mrs. Palin and social and economic issues but the war comes first, survival is trumps. That’s why this stuff was and is smoke. Despite the nonsense we have been hearing this week he has a tough act to follow.

I don’t have a lot of use for Bob Herbert but this column on Zimbabwe is required reading:

Most of the world is ignoring the agony of Zimbabwe, a once prosperous and medically advanced nation in southern Africa that is suffering from political and economic turmoil — and the brutality of Mugabe’s long and tyrannical reign.

Zimbabwe mess is even worse since it was done by Zimbabwe’s dictator and his supporters with no opposition from African leaders who might have made a difference. Totally avoidable

It brings to mind this Wondermark Cartoon.

Well Obama will be president tomorrow so it will be ok. Right?

Update: Here is the Comic Proper used with permission and don’t forget to check out Wondermark twice a week available from our permalink:

Liberalism defined!
Liberalism defined!

Via Hotair it looks like the bus ads have spread to Italy, not:

The city was targeted because it is home to the head of the Italian Catholic Bishops Conference Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, an outspoken opponent of artificial insemination and gay marriage.

Cardinal Bagnasco was said to be ‘furious’ about the plans and had his assistants write to the bus company and the advertising firm in charge of the £13,000 campaign to express their opposition.

At the last minute the campaign was cancelled. A source said the cardinal was ‘delighted’.

I disagree with this move. Christianity is more than strong enough to compete in the marketplace of ideas. It has hundreds of centuries of experience in delivering its message and it has the added advantage of being true. As always speech should be answered by more speech. If the church with the power of Christ behind it can’t compete with this message then you need different people delivering that message.

As a purely free speech move lets cut to the chase:

The Bus company has a perfect right to accept these ads and take the cash.

The Cardinal has a perfect right to object to these ads loudly.

And the customers of the bus company have the perfect right to give or not give their business to them accordingly.

That’s how it should work. In my mind you can’t argue for Churches in Arabia and argue to repress this speech.

Woke up early and saw everyone fawning about the HBO party and Tom, “your un-American” Hanks. I’m almost getting diabetic listening to it.

6:34 a.m. Spike Lee has come on and once the founding fathers were mentioned Lee started attacking them. For those of you who voted for Barak Obama for the hope of absolution, forget it.

6:38 a.m. At least answering Lee has stopped the sugar. Scarborough makes a great point that kids going to school in say 1st grade will remember Obama as their first president and will not think anything of having a Black President. The importance of this can’t be overstated.

6:40 a.m. The pretense that Obama didn’t run as a black candidate is very funny. His only qualification was that he was a black candidate, but in fairness the media was the one who pushed the “history”.

6:42 a.m. The sight of Pat Buchanan and Spike Lee sitting three chairs from each other and discussing the founding of the county and MLK is something. The shot of it I think would make Charles Johnson’s head explode like Kryten over Ketchup on Lobster.

6:47 a.m. Now Lee is complaining about the lack of black coaches. He must have taken Frederick Douglas’ advice post emancipation, agitate agitate agitate.

Let it not be forgotten today that if it wasn’t for George W Bush and the security he brought to the country the public celebrations of yesterday and today might have been conducted in an atmosphere of fear and cowering rather than celebration. Those who are celebrating have forgotten it, I won’t.

7:02 a.m. Spike Lee says it had to be ordained by God. Apparently when republicans believe this we are fools, if democrats believe this it is celebrated.

7:05 a.m. Barnicle compares the last 8 years to domestic abuse. Oh c’mon!

7:07 a.m. Andrea Mitchell has replaced Pat. Should have mentioned it 4 min ago.

7:10 a.m. Spike Lee leaves saying he is glad to be an American. That’s a great close.

Update: fixed a sentence that had dropped its end.

Today is the last full day of the presidency of George W. Bush. Personally it has been a good 8 years with a few stumps in the road such as my current employment situation but it has been quite a time. I want to say thank you to a good and decent man who did despite the nonsense of people who don’t know better was a fine president.

I want to say that I am grateful for your actions. During the recount mess at the start of your presidency you showed class and restraint. In the most trying of times you have remained steady and have not wavered due to political pressure nor forgotten your primary duty to your country. Even when you have failed such as with the attempts to rein in Fanny and Freddie and reform Social Security your attempts to do what others have failed showed the political courage that you have.

As I would with any other man they’re have been things I have disagreed with. I object to the following

The Steel Tariffs
McCain Feingold
The Bailouts
The Amnesty Bill

These positions that I disagree with. The early steel tariffs was political payback, it can be expected but was not wise. As for the others although i disagree with them all strongly I accept that your support was on principle though I disagree with them strongly.

I thank you strongly for your decisions on Stem Cells, Judges Alito and Roberts, Abortion and Life, Kyoto and drilling. These things particularly on Alito and Roberts will mold the country for years to come.

And most of all for the willingness to stand up and lead, first in the days after September 11th, next the 14th on a pile of rubble

On the speech on the 20th:

Finally in the lead-up to Afghanistan and the long slow advance into Iraq. I remember those days. Not withstanding the lack of memory by many of your foes I recall the long debate, the slow build up and the deliberation. The going to the UN and to the congress. The quick victories and most importantly the long slow slog leading to the surge and final victory. When many even who supported you were willing to lose for political reasons you were not. You promised to remember, you promised to remember your duty even if the country forgot; and you did.

You were steady in the hardest of time. It was a tough time for you and the stress of it shows on your face, but so does your resolve and your faith. You humbly acknowledged the prayers said for you and partook of their strength. Most of all you have kept our country in general and my children in particular safe. For some that is a debt they refuse to acknowledge for myself it is a debt I can never repay.

Thank you so much. May God bless you in your retirement as he has blessed us by your work.

Update: Apparently the Dali Lama likes him too, another Kryten head exploding moment, but for the left this time.

Update 2: Sissy Willis looks at the other side’s thoughts.

Drudge and Michelle Malkin have noticed the Pelosi tough talk about trials:

“I think you look at each item and see what is a violation of the law and do we even have a right to ignore it,” the California Democrat said. “And other things that are maybe time that is spent better looking to the future rather than to the past.”

Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, announced Friday he wants to set up a commission to look into whether the Bush administration broke the law by taking the nation to war against Iraq and instituting aggressive anti-terror initiatives. The Michigan Democrat called for an “independent criminal probe into whether any laws were broken in connection with these activities.”

Patterico suggests a preemptive move:

Pardon anyone and everyone in your Administration who participated in wiretapping, interrogations, detentions, and related efforts. Don’t depend on the vague, indecisive words of Barack Obama and his surrogates. Just as you depended on them, the people who helped you combat terrorism are depending on you.

I disagree. Not only is it a bad idea but it is a politically foolish idea. The democrats are all talk and smoke on this subject. They will try to go though some motions to mollify their guys but there is no way at all they will pursue this. It is a high risk move at a time or crisis with the only upside being among fanatics.

My explanation is here, my money quotes:

You can take this to the bank: Any successful attack on American soil during an Obama administration is going to be wholly owned by not only that administration but the Democratic party…

…Any kind of trials will be drawn out affairs and would likely be still going on during a successful attack. How much worse will it be for those who failed to protect the country if those who succeeded in protecting the nation are on trial during their failure?

It was my opinion at the time that the President would offer the pardons as he cares not what the press think. From what I’ve seen about the way the press and the news has been treating not only the incoming president but the outgoing crew even in his last days, I think the smirk is going to win. He is savvy enough to know what this would do to the Democrats they will be forced to either engage their far left base or take the risk I said above. These people won’t do it and it they did it would destroy them. It will be his final victory against them.

Not necessary. Not gonna happen.

Update: Talkleft gives a reasonable view on this from the left.

Was at Circuit City yesterday. The store was packed. The discounts however was unimpressive expect for the 30% off cables that unfortunately I don’t need.

In my disappointment in seeing that I could do better online for everything I might need I looked at the various associates working. Every single person there will be out of a job within 2 months without exception. They must be worrying their buts off and yet there they were dealing with people in a hurry to take advantage of their situation.

Multiply that by every US store. It must be awful!

These people could use your prayers. For Catholics you can dedicate a decade of the rosary to them (i’d suggest the Visitation or perhaps the Carrying of the Cross) if your not Catholic pick an approprate prayer. I’m sure they’ll take it.

At least they aren’t going through hell like Gloria Reuben.