I didn’t cite Bob Owens as a reason to trust the debunking of the CNN tape that they still insist is accurate but after this post I think I ought to:

I asked Mr. Martin a series of questions about the video, including queries about the apparent inconsistencies in the timeline in various versions as told presented by CNN and Channel 4 as noted by Dan Riehl, and why the family was so adamant that an Israeli drone fired a missile that targeted the two boys playing on the rooftop. Did the family members directly witnessed a drone firing a missile, or did they hear the explosion, go to the roof, see a drone, and assume it was a drone that fired?

I also asked Martin, who is in the business of selling news footage, if CNN and Channel 4 were clients, and if so, if they purchased the edited versions of this Masharawi video, or if they purchased the raw footage to be made into a finished product by these news organizations.

Martin responded this evening via email that:

We plan to post the entire unedited videotape of the whole event, on our website, as soon as we can obtain the whole thing from Gaza… something which can happen when there is an end to hostilities.

There you have it, folks. CNN’s alibi hasn’t seen the unedited footage(emphasis mine dtg), and we can’t expect to have them even attempt to provide it until the conflict is over.

So a blogger who questions the accuracy of the video goes directly to the source and asks a series of probing but non hostile questions and gets a response saying we will post it after the war is over. Sounds a lot the the “Jenin massacrenonsense and the Haditha stuff to me, a lot of hand ringing and denouncing at the start and little coverage of the exposure of the fraud.

One of the reasons why I haven’t posted this stuff every day is because it is so common that its just not news. Kevin Libin at the National Post elaborates further:

On Saturday in Montreal a thousand or more protestors marched downtown chanting ‘The Jews are our dogs,’ and cheering not one, but two, banned Islamist terrorist groups — Hamas and Hezbollah — in the company of labour leaders and politicians. It didn’t make front-page news. Save one or two exceptions, it didn’t make back-page news. In Canada, this is, it seems, not news.

He points of the compromise of the media that this is and asks why?

For whatever reason, we are seeing rallies in major cities calling for genocide, celebrating terrorism and spouting hatred against a minority group — but the media is missing the story. Maybe calling out certain groups makes Canada’s media uncomfortable, or maybe they have become inured to the extreme radicalization of Palestinian supporters here.

I think Mr. Goldman might say the reason is they agree with them, or perhaps they are afraid of having their throats cut. After all its the same silence of the left that followed Theo Van Gogh’s murder.

Theo van Gogh was murdered for making a film about the abuse suffered by a Muslim woman at the hands of her husband. Yet liberal opinion has largely kept silent about this outrage. Bestselling author Douglas Murray argues that this is symptomatic of a wider refusal by opinion leaders – and European governments – to face up to growing threat of radical Islam.

Ezra Levant talks about the double standard

Imagine if hundreds of Canadians marched, some in KKK white sheets, calling blacks “our dogs”. You can make your own example — if it were any other group besides Jews being demonized.

Or, frankly, any other group other than radical Muslims doing the demonizing. If a thousand skinheads had marched, burning Stars of David, calling Jews “dogs”, and swearing a bloody death to Jews, you can imagine the response — starting with the SWAT team.

And how it will end:

Marches like this one, in the streets of Canada, are the bigger problem. Waving the terrorist flag of Hezbollah; singing praise for Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah; calling for the destruction of the Jewish state.

They didn’t have YouTube back in Germany in the 1930s, but I bet the S.A. marches looked a lot like this.

If this goes unchecked — if the Prime Minister, the Premier, the Mayor of Montreal don’t sharply rebuke this Lord of the Flies anti-Semitic flourish, this domestic recreation of the Durban hate-fest — then, as sure as night follows day, we’ll have our own Kristalnacht.

Because, really: how many steps is it from masked men waving terrorist flags, calling Jews dogs and burning the Star of David, to breaking some windows and torching some shops?

Montreal Jews can ask Parisian Jews how long it took. Not long.

This is why the Jews in Gaza are ignoring the UN and why they should.

Update: Tweaked the title.

The examples supporting Goldman keep piling up:

Calgery:

As Darcey at Dust My Broom notes, the 150 “anti-racists” who came out in force to protest an Aryan Guard march in downtown Calgary last year didn’t complain this time. In fact, they marched right along with the Aryans, united under the swastika: the Arabs and Communists labeling the Jewish State a “Nazi” regime; the skinheads hoping to resurrect the Real McCoy.

San Francisco:

Another repeat offender showed up: a protester who claims to be Jewish yet who inevitably displays the most blatantly anti-Semitic handwritten signs. On this day, his placards declared, “Every Zionazi Is a Legitimate Military Target” and “Target All Zionist Businesses.” I wouldn’t want to be that guy’s therapist.

Denmark:

On the other side of Rådhusplatsen there was a pro-arabic demonstration. The message coming from them was something quite different. Instead of advocating for peace the arabs shouted only about hatred and death! They mainly chanted in arabic, but some parts were in Danish and then you can clearly hear their wish to kill all the Jews.

Good thing its against the law to advocate that stuff. Isn’t it?

I asked the commanding officer of the Danish police if it is legal in Denmark to incite hatred and murder towards Jews. He answered:

No, but we are not going to do anything about it…

The other police officers said the same thing.

Antwerp:

The situation truly got out of hand when the demonstration disbanded at about 3:15pm. A group of protesters then marched towards the Jewish neighborhood in Antwerp. The police had completely closed off the neighborhood upon which started a cat-and-mouse game. The situation threatened to get out of hand and at about 3:25pm the police arrived with more manpower in order to drive out the protesters. At about 4pm the riots moved again to Borgerhout, in the area of the Turnhoutsebaan.

The protesters caused much damage, in particular to car windows but also trams and basses were attacked. The De Lijn bus company is diverting all buses and trums on the Turnhoutsebaan-Carnotstraat-Rooseveltplaats route.

Many Jews don’t dare anymore to go out on the streets in the area of the demonstrators. They fear vandalism and violence. An internal SMS service of the Jewish community of Antwerp warns Jews to avoid the areas of the Turnhoutsebaan and the Diamantwijk, reports Michael Freilich of the Jewish newspaper Joods Actueel.

Well its not like Muslims are assaulting people in America over this, oh wait:

Two people standing on the street took photos of our attack and said they would email us with the photos to identity the criminals. We then walked back across the street to our building and were followed by a pack of Muslims – about 8 or 10 – who continued to threaten, mock and scream at us. They seemed surprised at our ferocious counter verbal attack. However, they came right within 6 inches of us saying they would kill us. One of the men was about to attack me when my boyfriend saw the assault about to begin and said, “If you touch her, I swear I’ll kill you.” At that point the original traffic control cop came over and a second traffic agent joined him and forced the crowd to disperse. They asked us to go into the apartment building lobby which we did.

We immediately called the police and asked to make a police report. Two NYC policemen came to the apartment about an hour later hour and took the information. They were very courteous and said they will file the report and a detective is to contact us tomorrow. They apologized for taking so long to come by but explained that there were many incidents of a similar nature that were taking place as the Muslim rally broke up. They also shared that 2 NYC police officers had been attacked at the rally and that the Muslims are ‘out of control.

‘Without the photos, it will be near impossible to find the Muslims involved. Even with the photos, I am not sure if the police can find the assailant or make an arrest. I am told by an attorney friend, that just the act of following and threatening is a crime in and of itself. Whatever it takes, we’ll take it as far as possible to prosecute.

And of course there is the popular response to knocking on the roof:

Israeli intelligence learned that a family’s house in Gaza was being used to manufacture rockets. The Israeli military gave the residents 30 minutes to leave. Instead, the owner called Hamas, which sent mothers carrying babies to the house.

This in itself shows Hamas believes in the superiority of Israel morally. Hamas knows Israel will try to avoid killing children while they hide behind their own and cry foul when they are hit.

I could go on and on and on but to save everyone time, go to Meryl Yourish, and Atlas Shrugs and just keep scrolling.

Dr Helen asks the question of the media that I’ve been asking of the left:

I find it ironic that so many people/the media are concerned with whether or not Prince Harry is a bigot for calling a Muslim comrade a “Paki” (in a video from years ago) and show so little concern when protesters in Florida called for Jews “to go back to the oven” and held signs stating “Nuke Israel.

The world is making Goldman’s argument for him.

Slept late today due to gamenight (Played the new version of Britannia game) from Fantasy Flight Games. Pretty solid game.) so I’ve come late to Morning Joe today.

I thought that Mikia’s, Pat & Tom’s Brokaw’s heads were going to blow up when Tom Freedman stated and Mike Barnicle agreed that its a war and the notion of proportionate response was nonsense. Mika then complained that so many more Palestinians have been killed than Israeli no difference given between civilian and military.

She quickly changed the subject to “torture”. I haven’t seen the article in question but the methods described don’t sound like torture to me.

Via Jonah another great question concerning the west’s treatment of Islam vs the Jews:

After the 9/11 terror attacks we were told that we must not condemn Islam and Muslims when we express our anger at the acts of terror. The government bent over backwards to call Islam a “religion of peace” and the media went so far as to embark on a multi-year, gratis public relations campaign to put a positive face on Islam and Muslims (see, e.g., the New York Times).

So I’m just waiting for all of these entities to condemn anyone who would say negative things about Jews in connection with protests against Israel.

Personally I think that its because those same politically correct people of the left consider the Muslims inferior and thus don’t expect better. Either that or they are afraid of getting their throat cut.

In the book Ship of the Line C.S. Forester’s Hornblower has this thought:

As part of the programme for training his men into fighting machine it would be invaluable to give them firing practice while actually under fire from the enemy—no one knew better than Hornblower the difference between being fired at and not being fired at. He found himself in the act of thinking that one or two unimportant casualties might be worth receiving in these circumstances as part of the crew’s necessary experience

When you look at the US Army and those who say it is wounded and battered there is one thing that is completely overlooked. As of today the Department of Defense has confirmed 4858 deaths in the 7 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is about 700 a year or just over 2 a day. In terms of war that’s pretty low.

To give you an idea at Cold Harbor the US army lost 1700 men dead in 15 minutes on one day. Or a better example in Korea with 480,000 Americans engaged we lost 36,000 men dead in 3 years.

The end result for the Army? We now have an army with solid fighting experience. Urban warfare, insurgent warfare, desert warfare, in mountain warfare etc etc etc. We have a huge core of troops who have preformed under fire magnificently. That experience and esprit can’t be purchased. I pity any enemy who has to face they men and women. They will be outclassed. No army on the planet can compare to this.

In addition these men and women will be the teachers of our children who will serve, hopefully in peacetime. It is their experience that will not only make them better soldiers but will help keep them alive. Our foes will think twice before facing them and us. This will save many thousands of lives and will likely preempt actions against us and our friends saving tens of thousands.

That result will be the finest tribute to the fallen that can be made.

You might remember this concerning the war from some weeks ago:

This is a strategic move by Iran and a smart one…

…Unfortunately no matter what happens even a total Israeli victory the winner here is Iran. As long as the world is talking about Gaza and rocket attacks and responses they are not touching the ongoing building of Nukes by Iran. I think this is all a sucker punch to keep the heat elsewhere. If Israel is hitting Gaza and or Lebanon they are not hitting Iranian nuke sites. They are buying time with Arab rather than Persian lives.

Today Hot air has this post linking to this story from the from the Jerusalem Post:

Iran is exerting heavy pressure on Hamas not to accept the Egyptian proposal for a cease-fire with Israel, an Egyptian government official said on Sunday.

The official told The Jerusalem Post by phone that two senior Iranian officials who visited Damascus recently warned Hamas leaders against accepting the proposal.

I wonder why? The Captain has an answer:

Why do they want Hamas to keep provoking Israel? The Egyptian official speaking with the Post believes they want to distract the world from their nuclear program, but I’d bet the Iranians have Israel specifically in mind. The rest of the world won’t stop Iran from producing nuclear weapons, but Israel probably will, if given the chance. Iran wants Hamas to fight an open war with Israel to keep the IDF from attacking its nuclear sites in the near term.

What does that mean for Iranian nukes? It suggests that the Iranians are closer to actual production than people have estimated prior to now. Hamas’ sudden desire to lift the cease-fire in late December, using a November 4th incident as the supposed provokation for their rationalization, makes a lot of sense in that context. The Iranians would worry most about covert strikes as they near completion of their effort, and they need Israel tied up for months, not weeks, to keep them distracted.

I’d say he’s likely spot on. I wouldn’t want to be the leader of Israel who has to make that decision. It’s not going to be a lot of fun for the president elect either. There will be a big party in 8 days but in 9 days the party will be over and Joe Biden’s prediction will come true in a hurry.

UPDATE if you came here from the Dissenting Justice link it was wrong. The actual post you want is here but this post does have some background on the subject.

I’ll have to find the podcast but it looks like this was something heated and full of passion. I saw only the tail end and it was something.

Here is my personal take, there are two sides to this a legal and a moral one: Continue reading “I missed the great Morning Joe “Torture” debate”

The list of people questioning the CNN story we mentioned here and here are growing.

The Volokh Conspiracy:

Indeed, not only is there no crater in the roof, but lawn furniture and clothes hanging out to dry on a line are right there in the background, undisturbed. Given that CNN’s own staff can’t vouch for the video first-hand, and that very serious questions have been raised about its credibility, I don’t see why CNN would want to double-down on this one.

Reihl World View:

At the very least it seems it might be an attempt by someone to alter the time-line of events and that a Channel 4 report actually pointed out that the family stayed home for some time and waited for the camera man / brother before taking the boy to the hospital.

In the third video (bottom) – of CNN’s full report – it claims the boy was taken home after the hospital – see 47 seconds in.

But in the second version posted from the UK’s channel 4, they use the same footage to suggest the boy “might” already be dead. That would mean the living room video was shot before taking the boy to the hospital – see 55 seconds in of that video. And at 2:20 in, the video actually says they drove from the hospital directly to the cemetery. That supports the living room video being shot after waiting for the cameraman to come off the road to the home. Why wouldn’t they have taken the boy to the hospital immediately?

Also in the first edited CNN video posted by Charles it clearly states that after the hospital the boy was “taken home” – possibly the same footage but it drives home the point. See 1 minute in of the top video at lgf link. And that language goes with the very same footage from the living room also in the other videos.

This is likely going to keep up until something gives.

Cnn now insists that the footage from Gaza mentioned here is genuine:

There’s no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer’s brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team’s employer.

and has re-posted it.

Ed Morrissey isn’t buying it. His evaluation of the video:

It’s not only a fake, it’s an absurd fake. It’s not even done well, and Gilbert’s dramatic headshake at the end of the supposed CPR — in which Doctor #2’s hands keep coming off the body — is only the cheesy coup de grace. Why did CNN republish this?

His evaluation of CNN’s Explanation:

Maybe Martin can explain how a missile hits a roof and kills two boys but does no more damage to the roof than what a pickaxe could do in five minutes — and how the furniture didn’t get disturbed.

The Confederate Yankee isn’t buying it either:

Premium clients can commission the writing filming, and broadcast of specific stories. Commissioned news, sold at a premium. Isn’t that another name for mercenary propaganda?

If so, I wonder who commissioned these… or if they were done pro bono.

HAMAS ALLIES PREPARE FOR RENEWED CONFLICT

ROCKET MEN OF GAZA

DYING TO SMASH ISRAEL WALL SAYS HAMAS

RESIST, SAYS HAMAS ARMED WING

Martin is trusted by Hamas on at least a professional level, and has a financial stake in the credibility of his employee’s story. Neither of these conflicts of interest were disclosed by CNN, for the rather obvious reasons it undermines their claim of the story’s credibility.

Charles Johnson not only isn’t buying it but does some the basic research that CNN might do if it decided to bother:

The company that provided this video story to CNN and several other news outlets is World News & Features, as we pointed out yesterday after CNN published their defense of the piece.

At the lower right of the World News & Features front page, we find a link to Nepras.net as the designer of the site.

A WHOIS lookup for worldnf.tv reveals that the domain is hosted by Nepras.net:

(who is info follows)

…And the primary contact and general manager for Nepras.net is none other than the “freelance photographer” who filmed that staged hospital scene, Ashraf Mashharawi.

How about that.

I’ve interviewed Ed Morrissey, for the HiWired podcast a couple of years ago. He is a very good guy. I’ve been reading Charles Johnson for almost 8 years. He has a record of exposing fake news and its a good record. Neither pretend to not have the biases they have.

Meanwhile we have CNN the network that didn’t report on the Eason Jordan scandal until he resigned. And who can forget the famous article in the New York Times The News we kept to ourselves? If you don’t remember it read Bill Hobbs rundown on it an excerpt:

By keeping its bureau open and its mouth shut, CNN sent Saddam a powerful message: do what you want, we won’t tell anyone.

What should CNN have done? Stopped hiring locals, for one. And if that wasn’t possible, CNN should have closed its Baghdad bureau and stopped putting Iraqis at risk by being there. But mostly, CNN should have told the world what is going on. CNN Iraqi staffers were tortured while CNN stayed silent. It’s ludicrous after-the-fact corporate ass-covering to suggest the speaking out would have put its Iraqi staffers in danger. They already were in danger. Reporting that to the world might well have pressured the regime to change its ways. But we’ll never know because CNN was more interested in keeping its prestigious Baghdad bureau open than in fully reporting the horrors of the regime that hosted them there.

Given that history the choice between believing Ed and Charles (and Bob who I’m not as familiar) or CNN it is no contest. In fact what evidence do we have that CNN hasn’t changed its ways. Remember it wasn’t until 2 years after Jordan’s admission that he had to resign over false statements that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd called him on.

I’d say they are full of it.