I was going to hit the sack as I’ve been up all night but when I saw that Glenn Reynolds had been suspended by twitter it woke me up prompting a spake of tweets noting twitters double standards and the progressive increase in suspending conservatives from Stacy McCain to Milo to Him each one more prominent.
However Glenn Reynolds Instapundit did just fine before twitter and was set to do just fine after it so his initial reaction was rather amusing:
if Twitter doesn’t like me, I’m happy to stop providing them with free content.
It didn’t take long for Glenn’s banning to be picked up by conservatives all over. After all it isn’t every day that a prominent law professor, USA today columnist and one of the most prolific bloggers in history who inspired a ton of us. CNN Commentator Hugh Hewitt had him on his radio show where he said:
HH: And what would you say to those people who are urging that you be silenced and shut down and fired? This is a 1st Amendment that we’re talking about here. What would you say to them, Glenn Reynolds? GR: That’s a lot for three words, especially considering all the hyperbole we’ve heard in this election already. We’ve heard plenty of people talking about the desirability of the assassination of Donald Trump and other things. It seems to me that that’s kind of a double standard, isn’t it? HH: Have you read Ross Douthat’s column this morning, Hillary Clinton’s Samantha Bee Problem, about the cultural… GR: I have read that column. HH: What did you think of it? And do you fit into that narrative now? GR: Oh, I don’t know. You know, there is a big lefty cultural apparatus that tries to enforce its views on everything. And frankly, it is probably the thing that is keeping Donald Trump alive, and it may be the thing that gets him elected, as Ross Douthat says. I think that’s totally right. And I think it’s funny, because you know, I grew up in the Civil Rights era. My dad was a moderately well-known civil rights and Vietnam protestor. And to be honest, it seems to me that then, the left was really all on for free speech, and now that they feel like they have gathered all the reins in their hands, they’re not so big on tolerance anymore.
Shortly after that was posted Instapundit’s suspension was revoked.
I have no idea if any explanation was given, I joked it was because he knows a lot of lawyers but re-reading his post on the subject I think I have isolated the twelve words Glenn wrote that really caused the suspension to be lifted
Twitter can do without me, as I can certainly do without Twitter.
Glenn Reynolds is a traffic machine, anyone who has ever gotten an instalanche knows this to be true, The only real value that twitter has is the ability to provide advertisers access to the tens to hundreds of thousands of people who want to see the tweets of a traffic machine like Glenn.
The Day the various traffic machines decide, like Glenn did, that they can do without twitter they are finished. Twitter not only loses its purpose but it’s ability to generate profit, in fact it might even lead to celebs demanding twitter pay THEM a per follower fee annually for using their platform and generating the traffic & eyeballs they need to have any chance of being profitable.
Twitter could survive anger, outrage or even venom from a major traffic generator like Glenn, but it can’t survive indifference.
Update: Stacy McCain comments thusly from his still continuing twitter exile:
What are we permitted to say about marauding gangs of thieves and thugs? The owners of Twitter have evidently hired Democrat Party activists to control the narrative on their platform, effectively turning it into a propaganda platform for a violent anti-white terrorist organization (to call #BlackLivesMatter what it actually is). Twitter’s policy can be considered an “in-kind” political contribution to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, which is counting on #BlackLivesMatter to help her win key swing states like North Carolina, Florida, Virginia and Ohio. Do law-abiding citizens have no right to defend themselves against mob attacks? If a family is in their car on the highway and find themselves surrounded by a gang of criminals who have been roaming the streets committing violence, what are they supposed to do?
Why you are supposed to let yourself be killed of course
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If colleges are indeed training the nation’s future leaders, America is doomed. On Sunday, the Daily Caller reported that Rohini Sethi, a student government leader at the University of Houston, was suspended and ordered to diversity training for engaging in the heinous act of free speech. In this case, the offensive speech was a Facebook post that read, “Forget #BlackLivesMatter; more like AllLivesMatter.”
…concerning the University of Houston the first thing that came to my mind was this.
I can’t believe in an age when there are so many lawyers out of work that a University is willing to be this stupid.
Granted Universities have become rather insular in their thought to the point where actually educating people on thing that matter has become secondary but I suspect this is going to provide an education to those who attempted to put on this sanction.
Because this type of thing no longer takes place in a vacuum and because of this, the words of a political leader who I suspect is popular with the left, namely “GET IN THEIR FACES AND PUNCH BACK TWICE AS HARD:” will come into play here.
This means that right about now tens of thousands of conservatives on social media are discovering this story, tweeting about this story and getting outraged over it, which will cause Rohini Sethi who meekly submitted, likely thinking that nobody was with her to realize she is not alone.
Of course that means that among those upset will be Police Unions around the nation will also be discovering this who will pass this along to their members.
Even better this is an issue ready made conservatives both in Texas and for the Donald Trump campaign, all he has to do is send out a single tweet and literally tens of millions will be hounding the University of Texas
And as the Student Government had to pass an “ex post facto” rule to allow her to be sanctioned and that such sanctions involve money this is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Which likely means that groups like FIRE will get involved and they tend to get results to wit:
Adams State University will settle a federal lawsuit brought by a former ASU professor who says the school violated his free speech and due process rights when it banned him from campus over blog posts criticizing the university’s pay practices.
The American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado announced in a press release yesterday that ASU agreed to rescind the “No Trespass Order” it enacted against Danny Ledonne and will pay $100,000 to settle the lawsuit the ACLU of Colorado brought on Ledonne’s behalf in February.
Ledonne was banned from campus in October 2015, two days after he began blogging critically about ASU administrators on his Watching Adams blog. Ledonne taught in the Mass Communication department and did media production work for ASU between 2011 and 2015. After ASU didn’t renew his contract in the spring of that year, he launched Watching Adams.
Now it’s very possible that despite all this potential Rohini Sethi might decide to continue to meekly submit in the hope it all goes away.
But I submit and suggest that it’s very likely that she might change her mind and fight and if she does she’ll discover that she has a juggernaut of opinion and law behind her and in the end the only power the University of Houston has is the hope of keeping her intimidated.
Personally If I ran the University of Houston I’d quietly reverse myself now before the storm comes and they get an education.
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You might have forgotten the swatting of Stacy McCain and the threats against his family but the law didn’t:
The FBI contacted me earlier this month to tell me that the guy responsible for targeting me in a March 2013 SWATting incident was scheduled for sentencing in federal court, but I couldn’t report anything about it until after the hearing. Because of last week’s Dallas attack, the hearing date Monday slipped my mind, but here’s the official statement:
Mir Islam is now in federal prison, but there are still guilty people who have yet to face justice, and they should be afraid — very afraid.
If Mr. Islam wanted to silence Stacy maybe he should have just gotten a job at Twitter then he could have done so without worrying about the law
Now we don’t know who those others might be but anyone who has been following the Kimberlin cases on Hogewash knows that the gears of the law grind very slowly, but they continue to move forward and I would not be surprised if some names readers of this site recognize get caught in them
Of course given that Stacy McCain supports Donald Trump and James Comey is in charge at the FBI who knows.
Closing thought, Why do I have a feeling that there is a job waiting for Mr Islam at Twitter as soon as he gets out?
Like many others they argued that the rule of law was paramount and that Davis’ civil disobedience could not stand against the judge’s order.
The couples appealed to Morehead Sheriff Matt Clark, the Washington Postreports, but he told them there was nothing he could do to enforce the Supreme Court’s decision.
“She will likely be found in contempt, as we know,” he said.
Davis faces fines or jail time if she doesn’t begin issuing the licenses Tuesday.
And in the comments sections their readers reacted with glee.
And Davis did go to jail but stood her ground, eventually being released and after a compromise crafted by the newly elected governor who ran in support of Davis remains free to do her job without damage to her conscience.
The irony of course is before Kim Davis was ever a news story Gawker was also very publicly disobeying a judge’s order
And while Kim Davis is still collecting her pay as an elected official it is Gawker’s turn to pay the piper:
Weighing free speech against privacy, a Florida jury has decided to uphold the sanctity of the latter by turning in a $115 million verdict against Gawker over its 2012 posting of a Hulk Hogan sex tape.
Hogan brought the case three years ago after Gawker, a 13-year-old digital news site founded by Nick Denton, an entrepreneur with an allergy to celebrity privacy, published a video the wrestler claimed was secretly recorded. The sex tape was sensational, showing Hogan — whose real name is Terry Bollea — engaged in sexual intercourse with Heather Cole, the then-wife of his best friend, Tampa-area radio shock jock Bubba the Love Sponge (real name: Todd Alan Clem). Gawker’s posting of the Hogan sex tape was accompanied by an essay from then–editor-in-chief A.J. Daulerio about celebrity sex and a vivid play-by-play of the encounter between Hogan and Cole.
That number doesn’t isn’t the end of it either as that figure doesn’t include punitive damages
It also found Gawker founder Nick Denton and the ex-editor who posted the video, A.J. Daulerio, personally liable.
Jurors awarded Hogan $55 million in economic damages and another $60 million for emotional distress.
Under Florida state law, Gawker must post a $50 million bond about one month after jurors decide on punitive damages — which could have disastrous consequences for the company.
Strangely enough the end result of this defiance of a court order does not seem all that interesting to Gawker, while we have pictures of Kim Davis’ mug shot and several stories hitting her after the case was done, Gawker doesn’t seem to find the verdict in this case newsworthy at as 18 hours after the ruling we still don’t see a word about it on the site. This is quite a surprise as they took a very loud stand on the rule of law and obeying court ruling just a little while ago.
Perhaps they are waiting for the large protests in favor of Nick Denton, or the new Papal Nuncio to set up a meeting between the Pope and Denton before breaking the story.
Perhaps someone can convince Kim Davis to start a blog so she can provide the coverage of Gawker’s situation that the site is lacking?
Before there was Milo Yiannopoulos there was Robert Stacy McCain. A chain smoking, beer drinking, coffee guzzling hard nosed reporter who rather than simply going with the flow and repeating the conventional wisdom dared to go out into the field and actually see and report for himself.
And when he didn’t have a spot in the MSM to do it anymore on a regular basis he began his web site The Other McCain (named to differentiate himself from his distant cousin John in the Senate) and with funding provided by his readers (and sometimes without it going places on a wing and a prayer) he would travel the country from Alaska to New Hampshire from Nevada to New Orleans to cover stories that the MSM would not.
He has managed to do all of this while raising a family of six which now includes two grandchildren who are his joy (although they have considerably slowed down his travels, after all family comes first).
Bottom line though not a rich man Robert Stacy McCain is an American Success story he has built a nationwide, dare I say worldwide following presenting his viewpoint and highlighting the public viewpoints of others who would rather keep their actual words and opinions under the radar because Robert Stacy McCain is loyal to his family, his God, his friends and the Truth.
I know this because I’m proud to say he is my friend. I’ve learned an awful lot from him the most important thing being there is no substitute for actually being there, gathering factual evidence, seeing for yourself and reporting the truth.
I guess that’s why Twitter’s new Star Chamber has decided to Suspend him sometime yesterday evening:
The hashtag associated with McCain’s suspension (#FreeStacy) was actually allowed to trend, at one point, but as Mike Cernovich points out, now it won’t even autocomplete. That’s one of the tools Twitter has been using to slow down hashtags, as of late. GamerGate no longer autocompletes, either, even though several anti-GG hashtags do.
Now in fairness Twitter is a private company and they do have the right to run their business as they see fit.
But I submit and suggest to twitter & their investors that the way to success is not to alienate half of your potential customer base particularly in an election year, furthermore as anyone who knows anything about tech can tell you today’s popular site can become tomorrow’s AOL & Compuserve in a heartbeat.
As for myself I’m going to monitor Stacy’s account on the “quitter” platform, anything he tweets there I’m going to tweet on twitter until they get around to suspending me, I’ve also tweeted out to some of his friends in the MSM like Jake Tapper of CNN and Dave Weigel of the Washington post suggesting that this might be a story worth covering.
I would also remind our friends on the left who might be celebrating that trends tend to ebb and flow and the day may come when you might find yourself silenced by the heavy hand of government or industry. Perhaps you might be counting on us on the right to aid you due to our principles despite your silence or celebration today. I’ll let Amy Pond answer that one:
Either you’re for free speech or you’re not, it’s time to choose sides.
Update: From the latest post Stacy authored on his blog
My paratrooper son spends his days jumping out of C-130s and marching for miles with 70 pounds of gear on his back, but Rutgers students “broke down crying” and were “scared to walk around campus” because Milo gave a speech? Are there any sane students at Rutgers? Are there no responsible adults in the administration or faculty? Like every other university in America, Rutgers has been descending into decadent chaos for years,
I often joke that such people are screaming to HR people “don’t hire me” but perhaps they are just the type of people twitter is looking for.
They had better hope twitter still exists by the time they graduate.
Update 2: A great quote from his old blog at the start of the Sparkman case really says what Stacy McCain is all about:
If it turns out that Sparkman was lynched by the Clay County Glenn Beck Palinista Wing Nut Militia, OK. If it turns out he was murdered by dope growers or ‘shiners, OK. If it turns out he was murdered for perverse motives by some toothless inbred banjo-picker who thought Sparkman bore a fetching resemblance to Ned Beatty, OK.
But if you’re not going to do any reporting, Andrew, your baseless speculation about the Sparkman murder is as far from actual journalism as your idiotic obstetric theorizing about Trig Palin.
Just the facts and it’s worth noting who he gave credit to for his ability to find them
I would never have been able to do that reporting without the generosity of the tip-jar hitters. When I got the wild notion of traveling to Kentucky to cover the Sparkman case, I wrote:
Figure 1,200 miles travel round-trip, at 25 cents per mile, that’s $300. Five meals at $5/each, that’s another $25. A carton of smokes, $50; ten cups of coffee, $20. If you add$125/night for a hotel room, I could make it a two-day trip for $500. . . . So if the tip jar contributions between now and Sunday evening reach $300, I’ll take it for granted that the rest will come through while I’m on the road. I could be filing reports with a Kentucky dateline by Monday noon.
That’s why Stacy will forever be hated, because the only person who owns him is you.
My politics are conservative, my economics are Austrian, my faith is Christian. It’s that simple — and certain people HATE me for it. But those people hate everybody who is not a Democrat. Fine. I understand that kind of hate, having once been a Democrat myself, but Democrats think of their personal hatred as “social justice.” And so I understand them better than they understand me…They do not fool me, nor should anyone else be deceived by their bogus hustle, and the fact that my @rsmccain account got suspended? Just further proof of what I keep saying: Feminism is a totalitarian movement, and the First Rule of Feminism is, “Shut up!” Sarkeesian and her crowd cannot sustain their arguments against well-informed criticism, and so they attempt to “win” the argument by silencing all criticism.
This is why you can’t even state FACTS about these people on Twitter without being accused of “harassment.” Facts are harassment and truth is hate
Glenn Reynolds says he’s losing patience with Twitter. Professor, I lost a whole lot more than patience with ’em last year when I was suspended based of lies from Brett Kimberlin. Twitter is clearly an untrustworthy business partner. The only reason I use their service is the lack of a viable competitor. As soon as one appears, I will be an early adopter.
This is what we free market capitalists calls a “business opportunity” Charlie Baker take note.
Update 6: Author Vox Day links, I’m sure he’s high on the Twitter kill list also now a reddit thread. I think Twitter’s plan is turning out to be less cunning than any of Baldrick’s
Update 7: Stacy finally officially weighs in at his site:
Unexpectedly, and without explanation, my @rsmccain Twitter account was suspended Friday evening. Based on past experiences, my guess would be that this resulted from a complaint by one of the leading “social justice warriors” (SJWs) who have been at war with #GamerGate since August 2014. However, there was no reason stated for the suspension, and who knows? So I’ve switched to the @SexTroubleBook account I created to promote my book and meanwhile, friends who are fed up with Twitter’s bias and censorship started the #FreeStacy hashtag.
and of course stacy has an Instalanche ensuring the story gets even bigger.
Why do I have the feeling people at twitter are running to their safe spaces?
Twitter isn’t merely targeting spammers. For weeks, users have been reporting that tweets from populist conservatives, members of the alternative right, cultural libertarians, and other anti-PC dissidents have disappeared from their timelines.
Twitter, as a private company, has every right to do what they want. However, if they are going to censor or ban on ideological grounds, they should be honest enough to put that in the TOS and let the market decide.
But Leftism and honesty are not well acquainted.
Update 9: Some things are so predictable, yet still disappointing
McCain is a conservative blogger who has keyed on the decline of campus culture generally and in particular due process for defendants in campus sexual assault allegations. He is also a vocal critic of Twitter’s de-verification of @Nero’s account.
Taken together this paints a concerning picture. The Trust and Safety Council is a dressed up censorship board and will provide cover if and when Twitter shutting down or diminishing disfavored accounts.
I’d like to say I expected stuff like this, but of course I did not think it could be so soon, or so overt. This was pretty quick.
It’s as if the grown-ups left for the weekend, and the SJW interns are in control. It was only supposed to be just in case the circuit breakers popped — it is a weekend, after all — but then those interns saw an injustice that needed to be fixed, and it couldn’t wait ’til Monday.
Twitter may or may not see this as a mistake. I assume they will adapt to the complaints.
Twitter is a private company, of course, and if it wants to outlaw strong language, it can. In fact, it’s well within its rights to have one set of rules for Robert Stacy McCain, and another set of rules for everyone else. It’s allowed to ban McCain for no reason other than its bosses don’t like him. If Twitter wants to take a side in the online culture war, it can. It can confiscate Milo Yiannopoulos’s blue checkmark. This is not about the First Amendment.
But if that’s what Twitter is doing, it’s certainly not being honest about it—and its many, many customers who value the ethos of free speech would certainly object. In constructing its Trust and Safety Council, the social media platform explicitly claimed it was trying to strike a balance between allowing free speech and prohibiting harassment and abuse. But its selections for this committee were entirely one-sided—there’s not a single uncompromising anti-censorship figure or group on the list. It looks like Twitter gave control of its harassment policy to a bunch of ideologues, and now their enemies are being excluded from the platform.
Update 14: Drudge has linked to Legal Insurrection’s post on the subject this likely means Limbaugh will be talking the story on Monday and yet Twitter has not reinstated Stacy. I’m wondering if they’ve decided to go all in.
Thug: I wouldn’t come down here if I was you. This is Limehouse and we don’t fancy you’re sort of bloke in these parts.
Dr. Watson: the fellow’s absolutely right shouldn’t we…
Sherlock Holmes: Quiet Watson,This is still a free country a man may walk where he pleases.
Sherlock Holmes and the Voice of Terror 1942
It’s a good thing that The Few Sacrificed so much to prevent the Nazi’s from conquering England and installing a government that would punish men for saying what they think. Perhaps they shouldn’t have bothered.
Police have arrested a 40-year old man in Scotland over a number of allegedly “offensive” Facebook posts about refugees.
Police in Scotland said that a man had been held under the Communications Act, which bans “grossly offensive” and “menacing” posts on online platforms.
Ahhh those quaint old days when England believed in personal freedoms. Pam Geller is right, the nation that gave us Magna Carta is dead. Perhaps we should strike the “Great” from Great Britain
That this happened in Scotland is even more interesting, Can you picture a Scotsman being arrested for speaking his mind? I’m sure Edward Longshanks would have approved. No wonder so many Scots came to America.
This is coming to America, have no doubt about it and don’t doubt for a second that there are people on the Supreme Court right now who would go along with it.
As anyone who has ever read this blog knows, I’m an implacable foe of Radical Islam. I am a supporter of Pam Geller and Robert Spencer and think they are two of the bravest and most honorable people I know. I think CAIR is a front group for radical Islam and I think everywhere it exists from Syria to Iraq it must be opposed and exposed and of course as a Catholic who has read the Koran It is my opinion that it is cheap rewrite of the Bible to and the religion based on it is to put it kindly full of holes.
Voters gave Abu Musa and Anam Miah another term in office. Saad Almasmari was elected for the first time. Now four of the six City Council members will be of Muslim faith.
It’s said to be the first majority Muslim City Council not only in Hamtramck but in the entire country.
Listen in America we have these things called elections, and if the majority of a city wants to elect Muslims to the city council it’s their call. Furthermore if a population of a city is majority Muslim and wants to celebrate their faith it’s their business.
If a local business in a majority Muslim area or has a large Muslim workforce and adjusts their schedules and even their paid holidays to accommodate their workforce I have no problem with that either.
And if a local Muslim speaker or even an Imam wants to disagree with US policy, even as it applies to radical Islam & ISIS they have the freedom to do so.
If I wish to have my religious rights protected as a Catholic or a Jew or a Protestant of any denomination I certainly can’t object to others wishing the same. If I think my religion is true I’m not going to be threatened by a Muslim else making the argument for their faith and trying to make their best case for what they believe.
Those are the rights of Americans and US muslims who live in it
That also being said rights come with responsibilities.
If a majority Muslim city council attempts to impose the jizya on Catholics, Protestants or Jews, if they want to restrict the rights of Christians or Jews to worship or even proselytize, in short if they attempt to enforce anything resembling Sharia Law, then I have a problem with it.
If a business decides they wish to accommodate their Muslim workforce, yet won’t make allowance for Catholic, Protestants or Jews then I have a problem with it.
If a local Muslim speaker or Imam chooses to offer material support to those we are fighting, if they choose to encourage their young men to fight against us, then I have a problem with it.
If Muslims wish to have their religious rights protected in America they had better not do anything to restrict the religious or non religious rights of others.
That is the bargain that (Obama administration notwithstanding) all Americans make with each other in America and if American Muslims hold up their end of it, so will I.
This is hysterical, insane nonsense. Having the option of listening to a dissenting voice against the Left’s prevailing orthodoxy on gender roles in no way represents an imposition of harm, let alone “physical harm.” Such intolerant, sub-moronic delirium must be aggressively defied and mocked, not coddled and indulged. Event planners warned Venker that her upcoming address was “stirring a lot of angry reactions among students on campus,” prior to its eventual cancellation. Williams had “never experienced this kind of resistance” to a speaker, she was informed.
I don’t know enough about Venker to know whether her talk would have been particularly enlightening. But judging from the reaction of some Williams students to the mere prospect that she would speak on campus, it’s quite clear that enlightenment is something Williams desperately needs.
While these critiques and ridicule of Williams College are well deserved it doesn’t solve the problem of how to teach these students to think.
Fortunately there is a rather easy solution.
Williams College Uncomfortable Learning Department should sponsor a public screening of this week’s episode of South Park “Safe Space” and invite its creators to comment on it.
Now South park is a show that has been running or 19 years. It is a pop culture icon. I would be real money that at the very least a significant minority of the students on campus have seen it.
If the episode is shown either with or without the creators it will be a slap in the face to the politically correct on campus that banned Venker, but given songs in the episode like this…
…I suspect that the reaction of those who went absolutely crazy will be most gratifying. I would not be surprised to see them call for both the episode and the South Park creators to not be allowed on campus.
More importantly it’s a no lose situation. If the episode is shown on campus and the creators speak (and such an event is likely to draw huge attendance, it can’t help but bring important free speech issue to the forefront to a group of people who desperately need to hear it.
However if the episode and the creators of South Park are banned the reaction from people completely unaware of Venker but very familiar with South Park will produce a reaction so loud, so uniform and so embarrassing that it will do more good than a million posts by outraged bloggers or stories on the news.
If we’re going to defeat these people let’s fight back using the culture, Andrew Breitbart would
As I’ve been writing a lot about the Kim Davis situation I was very interested in how it would come up in the Presidential debate on Wednesday, however the subject didn’t so much point out the differences in the GOP position as it pointed out the seemingly contrary positions of both media and the selective enforcement of federal law and selective interpretation of the constitution depending on who it involves.
Jake Tapper:I want to turn back to Governor Huckabee. Governor Huckabee, last week, you held a rally for a county clerk in Kentucky who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, as I don’t need to tell you. You’ve called what happened to Kim Davis, that clerk, “an example of the criminalization of Christianity.” There are several people on the stage who disagree with you. Governor Bush, for example, says that that clerk is sworn to uphold the law. Is Governor Bush on the wrong side of the criminalization of Christianity?
Gov Mike Huckabee: No, I don’t think he’s on the wrong side of such an issue. Jeb is a friend. I’m not up here to fight with Jeb or to fight with anybody else. But I am here to fight for somebody who is a county clerk elected under the Kentucky constitution that 75 percent of the people of that state had voted for that said that marriage was between a man and a woman. The Supreme Court in a very, very divided decision decided out of thin air that they were just going to redefine marriage. It’s a decision that the other justices in dissent said they didn’t have and there wasn’t a constitutional shred of capacity for them to do it. I thought that everybody here passed ninth-grade civics. The courts cannot legislate. That’s what Roberts said. But heck, it’s what we learned in civics. The courts can’t make a law. They can interpret one. They can review one. They can’t implement it. They can’t force it. But here’s what happened: Because the courts just decided that something was going to be and people relinquished it and the other two branches of government sat by silently — I thought we had three branches of government, they were all equal to each other, we have separation of powers, and we have checks and balances. If the court can just make a decision and we just all surrender to it, we have what Jefferson said was judicial tyranny. The reason that this is a real issue that we need to think about…
Jake Tapper:Thank you, Governor.
Gov Mike Huckabee: No, no. Let me finish this one thought, Jake. I haven’t gotten that much time, so I’m going to take just what little I can here. We made accommodation to the Fort Hood shooter to let him grow a beard. We made accommodations to the detainees at Gitmo — I’ve been to Gitmo, and I’ve seen the accommodations that we made to the Muslim detainees who killed Americans. You’re telling me that you cannot make an accommodation for an elected Democrat county clerk from Rowan County, Kentucky? What else is it other than the criminalization of her faith and the exaltation of the faith of everyone else who might be a Fort Hood shooter or a detainee at Gitmo?
Jake Tapper: Well, I’m not telling you that, Governor. But Governor Bush is, because he — because he disagrees. He thinks that Kim Davis swore to uphold the law. You disagree? You’re not — you don’t…
Gov Jeb Bush: I don’t think — you’re not stating my views right.
Jake Tapper:OK. Please do.
Gov Jeb Bush: I think there needs to be accommodation for someone acting on faith. Religious conscience is — is — is a first freedom. It’s — it’s a powerful part of our — of our Bill of Rights. And, in a big, tolerant country, we should respect the rule of law, allow people in — in — in this country — I’m a — I was opposed to the decision, but we — you can’t just say, “well, they — gays can’t get married now.” But this woman, there should be some accommodation for her conscience, just as there should be for people that are florists that don’t want to participate in weddings, or bakers. A great country like us should find a way to have accommodations for people so that we can solve the problem in the right way. This should be solved at the local level…
Jake Tapper:You did…
Gov Jeb Bush: And so we do agree, Mike.
Gov Chris Christie:I was —
Jake Tapper:Governor, you said, quote, “she is sworn to uphold the law.”
Gov Chris Christie:She is, and so if she, based on conscience, can’t sign that — that marriage license, then there should be someone in her office to be able to do it, and if the law needs to be changed in the state of Kentucky, which is what she’s advocating, it should be changed.
Ok so we have a question of “she’s sworn to uphold the law” and “there needs to be an accommodation based on faith” presumably based on the 1st amendment but oddly enough when Mr. Tapper asked this question on federal drug laws
Jake Tapper:Senator Paul, Governor Christie recently said, quote, “if you’re getting high in Colorado today,” where marijuana has been legalized, “enjoy it until January 2017, because I will enforce the federal laws against marijuana.” Will you?
The arguments on enforcement suddenly changed. While Senator Paul invoked the 10th amendment suggesting the feds had crossed into a state issue. During his answer he mentioned a person on stage who used pot at one time. It turned out to be Jeb who had this to say. (all emphasis mine)
Gov Jeb Bush:So, 40 years ago, I smoked marijuana, and I admit it. I’m sure that other people might have done it and may not want to say it in front of 25 million people. My mom’s not happy that I just did. That’s true. And here’s the deal. Here’s the deal. We have — we have a serious epidemic of drugs that goes way beyond marijuana. What goes on in Colorado, as far as I’m concerned, that should be a state decision. But if you look at the problem of drugs in this — in this society today, it’s a serious problem. Rand, you know this because you’re campaigning in New Hampshire like all of us, and you see the epidemic of heroin, the overdoses of heroin that’s taking place. People’s families are — are being torn apart. It is appropriate for the government to play a consistent role to be able to provide more treatment, more prevention — we’re the state that has the most drug courts across every circuit in — in — in Florida, there are drug courts to give people a second chance. That’s the best way to do this.
Hold on a second. The laws concerning drugs are Federal laws, laws actually passed by the congress and signed by the president as opposed to the reinterpretation of a constitutional amendment. How is it that Kim Davis a county clerk is “sworn to uphold the law” but public servants in the state of Colorado who are not claiming this has anything to do with religion, are not?
As the exchange continued. It got worse, after Jeb bush was pressed by Sen Paul on medical marijuana: again emphasis mine
Sen Rand Paul:Well, you vote — you oppose medical marijuana…
Gov Jeb Bush:Here’s the deal. No, I did not oppose when the legislature passed the bill to deal with that very issue. That’s the way to solve this problem. Medical marijuana on the ballot was opened up, there was a huge loophole, it was the first step to getting to a (inaudible) place. And as a citizen of Florida, I voted no.
So Jeb Bush believes Kim Davis “Is sworn to uphold the law” but didn’t oppose the state legislature in Florida passing a bill directly contradicting established federal law and apparently he’s not alone here. (again emphasis mine)
Gov Chris Christie:And Senator Paul knows that that’s simply not the truth. In New Jersey, we have medical marijuana laws, which I supported and implemented. This is not medical marijuana. There’s goes as much — a further step beyond. This is recreational use of marijuana. This is much different. And so, while he would like to use a sympathetic story to back up his point, it doesn’t work. I’m not against medical marijuana. We do it in New Jersey. But I’m against the recreational use against marijuana. If he wants to change the federal law, get Congress to pass the law to change it, and get a president to sign it.
So Christie, like Bush is willing to support and implement laws that contradict existing federal law, laws that he is sworn to uphold, and is willing to do this without claiming a religious or constitutional reason. It sounds to me like “being sworn to uphold the law” apparently doesn’t apply if the law is supported by yuppies on the left or the MSM who are both widely in favor of legalizing medical marijuana.
Now let’s take a look at another subject. The Question of the 14th amendment and birthright citizenship came up, Mr. Trump (backed up by Senator Rand Paul) said scholars said no but when asked by Jake Tapper, Carly Fiorina (after making a great point concerning the Democrat’ desire to have this as an issue & not solve the problem said this: again emphasis mine
Carly Fiorina:…the truth is, you can’t just wave your hands and say “the 14th Amendment is gonna go away.” It will take an extremely arduous vote in Congress, followed by two-thirds of the states, and if that doesn’t work to amend the constitution, then it is a long, arduous process in court. And meanwhile, what will continue to go on is what has gone on for 25 years. With all due respect, Mr. Trump, we’ve been talking about illegal immigration for 25 years. San Francisco has been a sanctuary city since 1989. There are 300 of them. And meanwhile, what has happened? Nothing. The border remains insecure. The legal immigration system remains broken. Look, we know what it takes to secure a border. We’ve heard a lot of great ideas here. Money, manpower, technology…
So Mrs. Fiorina says that “you can’t just wave your hands and say “the 14th Amendment is going to go away, and an awful lot of media pundits and people like Jeb Bush are with her on this. But lets take a look at the text of it The 14th Amendment specifically section 1 which states:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Yet five members of the Supreme Court found a right to gay marriage that every other justice who ever served on the Supreme Court did not, one that overrode every single state constitution that said otherwise.
So my question is this? If justices can magically reinterpret the 14th Amendment to find a right to Gay Marriage in a document that doesn’t mention marriage, and the media claims it is legit how is it that one can’t interpret that same 14th amendment to say it doesn’t grant citizenship to people born here if their parents came illegally not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.
Bottom line, apparently some in the GOP believe, with the media that when it comes to Kim Davis, the 14th Amendment is flexible and the enforcement of federal law is not, but some of those same people believe with the media, that when it comes to birthright citizenship and federal drug laws. The 14th Amendment is rigid and the enforcement of federal law is flexible.
You might have noticed lately a rush to remove the Confederate Flag from public & private spaces on the grounds that Charleston Shooter Dylann Roof was shown in photo waving the Confederate flag.
The argument is removing of the Confederate flag from any place of honor becomes a simple matter of honoring those murdered at a Charleston Bible study by a man who visibly waved it.
Well one of those who vocally supported said removal Mr. DeRay McKesson was at a protest in Charleston lately. WISTV covered it:
Images of a flag burning incident at Marion Square in downtown Charleston over the weekend has ignited controversy across social media platforms.
DeRay McKesson, a civil rights activist with WeTheProtesters.org, posted photos and video on his Twitter page Sunday showing a group of people in Marion Square burning the American and Confederate flags.
WeTheProtesters lists McKesson as a member of its planning team, and the Founder and Co-Editor of the Ferguson Protester Newsletter.
I found that photo fascinating because apparently not only does Mr. McKesson’s group seems to not only have the same opinion of the US flag as Mr. Roof
But they apparently believe in directly mimicking his actions:
So I have a question for all of those on TV that have been self righteously telling us that because Young Mr. Roof waved the Confederate flag that flag must go, Gone with the Wind must go, and even games about the civil war must all go to honor those he murdered.
Since Mr. Roof’s mass murder suddenly made any association with the Confederate Flag beyond the pale of respectability should we not also consider the group We the Protesters and Mr. McKesson also beyond the pale since they not only copied the exact actions of this mass murder but did so proudly and in public just outside the building where one of the victims was lying in state?
Because their actions suggest this observation from Sweetness & light is exactly correct:
Well, we know that Dylann Roof would have approved of the burning of the American flag. (Since he did so himself.) But that’s probably just one of the many similarities he shares with Mr. Mckesson.
I’d love to see the media members who have given Mr. McKesson credibility answer that question and have all those who have expressed support for his group answer this question but I suspect that will not happen anywhere this side of the 2nd coming.
Update: It goes without saying that those actions are protected by the first amendment the question isn’t if said actions should be illegal, it’s if said actions mean the group should be embraced by the media and the left.