You know If I’m the democrats and I really believed that this bill was a great idea and would work; I’d be thrilled.

I’d be thinking that I can take full credit, when the solution comes New Deal 2 earn the love of the country. This will keep us in power for decades and be written in the history books as a triumph!

I wonder my that isn’t the case? Actually I don’t wonder. If you do re-read my posts here and here.

Update: Rush backs me up.

Well the stimulus passed with NO republican votes and missing 10 democrats as well.

Obama and the Democrats now own it.

There is, in my opinion, a million to one shot that it works. And if it does then the Democrats will deserve all the credit and rightly so.

However if it falls flat on his face it will be totally owned by the Democrats and congress is going to absolutely LOVE it in 2010.

Round up: (Will be updated as I find stuff)

Hotair: Either way, for good or ill, this is entirely the Democrats’ baby now.

Brutally Honest: I remind each of you… when you hear hope and change…Think smoke and mirrors. The hard left agenda is being enacted. We may never recover.

Michelle Malkin: Dems who voted NAY: Griffith, Peterson, Boyd, Bright, Kanjorski, Kratovil, Cooper, Taylor, Ellsworth, Minnick, and Shuler. Now, that’s bipartisanship we can believe in!

The Corner: Rep. Virginia Foxx (R., N.C.): “I am glad that this vote demonstrated bipartisan opposition to the bill, instead of bipartisan support.”

Neoavatara: Clearly, Mr. Obama isn’t responsible for what happens in the economy tomorrow, or the next month, or even the next six months. But he has now firmly taken the helm of the sinking ship. And once taking command, the captain either sails off into the sunset, or goes down with the ship.

Gay Conservative: Republicans in the House appear to be heading in the right direction. I seriously hope this continues.

Gateway Pundit: Pelosi and democrats celebrate historic trillion dollar spending binge before the votes were even counted.

The Other McCain: Kazart! Republicans grow a pair!

Three steps Forward: I have come to firmly believe that the Republican Party is trying to ruin the country.

World News of Interest: Welcome to the New Deal 2.0 – and let’s wish all of us the same success the first one brought us. Without that FDR’s bold approach, we’d be a much weaker nation even today.

The Irascible Chef: So, why are the current solutions to the current financial disaster any different? If we don’t act now, the end of the world will be thrust upon us! And then after the appeasement happens… I want more!

Talk Left: The House just passed the stimulus bill by a vote of 244-188. I think 2 NO Republicans voted for the bill.

Sister Toldjah: Show of hands how many think McCain will provide much resistance on this bill?

Moderate in the Middle
: if you believe in the program and have enough votes in your party, pass it without the GOP, take the political hit….and hey dont beee saaaaddd cause two out of three ain’t baaaaddddd….

Joint Effort: Not One Vote!

America’s Watchtower: President Obama is poised to pull off the greatest and most expensive fraud ever perpetrated on the American people. This fraud will even dwarf the global warming swindle legislation that he will also try to pass.

Powerline: Congratulations to the House Republicans: all 177 voted against the Democrats’ pork-fest bill. Eleven Democrats joined the Republicans in rejecting Nancy Pelosi’s fiscal insanity, which, the Congressional Budget Office confirmed yesterday, would actually cost $1.1 trillion.

A Time for Change: Republicans have suddenly come to Jesus and think of themselves as fiscally conservative after they have spent like wildfire for 8 years. Now when we need spending most, and a lot of it, they decide to conserve, which is the last thing that we need.

Wizbang: The House has passed Obama’s Stimulus Package, and you won’t believe some of the dead weight thrown in which has nothing to do with “stimulating” anything, least of all the economy.

Flopping Aces: When you consider that all federal spending for budget year 2008 was less than $3 trillion you quickly realize that we are embarking on the most massive big government spending spree of all time

Oliver Willis: No Republicans on board, but as we know… elections have consequences. The party of no can party along as the rest of us do work.

Ann Althouse: “[S]ome news organizations have been less than diligent in telling you that other respectable economists are deeply skeptical of the idea, flatly oppose it or favor competing proposals such as additional tax relief. The University of Chicago’s Gary Becker, another Nobel laureate, warns that ‘the true value of these government programs may be limited because they will be put together hastily, and are likely to contain a lot of political pork and other inefficiencies.'”

Talking Points Memo: Guess that dinner at the White House didn’t go so well.

Gay Patriot: Let’s hope that the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell can hold his caucus together to filibuster the stimulus. The longer it takes Democrats to pass the “stimulus,” the more time people will have to see that it contains billions of dollars for to Democratic constituencies and interest groups. They’ll ask their representatives whey we are increasing government spending when the federal government is running record deficits.


Matthew Mundy
: if Obama was going to get nothing from the GOP in return for including their ideologically charged, economically inefficient stimulus suggestions, he shouldn’t have included them in the first place.

Spreading the Word: After the President listened and tweaked, not one Republican voted for the stimulus in the House. Not one. The measure of their impotence, though, is that it passed anyway.

Nathan Hale’s Ghost: Not even one caved to the Democrats. I’m actually impressed. They need at least two of them to cave in the Senate to get this passed. We will wait and see.

Confederate Yankee: Congratulations, Mr. President. But also keep in mind that your leadership also saddles you with executive responsibility for the very first time in your life, and history will not likely be kind to the memory of an arrogant neophyte that attempted to spend his way out of debt.

Toby Harnden: Obama said yesterday he did not feel he had ownership of the bill. Be that as it may, if it goes through the Senate in similar fashion and is signed into law then – the efforts of Pelosio and Senator Harry Reid notwithstanding – it will be his and his alone.

Some pre- passing commentary:

The Anchoress: The package does not seem to create many jobs at all – but it does keep shoveling money at the people who waste it while producing nothing and creating few jobs.

Reason: Even as President Obama promises that the federal government will spend the $1 trillion or so contemplated in the stimulus legislation in a utterly open, totally transparent, and absolutely accountable way, he demands that members of Congress vote for the 647-page monstrosity before they can possibly have time to read and digest it.

The Bivouac youtube’s Dennis Kucinich on the bill.

Jane Q. Republican: “It’s official: the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that the congressional Democrats’ legislation is the trillion dollar spending bill that we all feared it would be.”

Marc Ambinder explains why Republicans who are in trouble should vote for the stimulus bill:

Now – President Obama’s approval rating is about 70%;

Congressional approval is still around 20%;

After the election, Democrats still have a 9 point lead in generic identification.

The public approves of the stimulus plan by a very large margin – the numbers vary with the wording of the poll question, but it’s at least a plus 40%.

Obama is the most talented political figure of our generation – Boehner and McConnell are, uh, less talented.

Obama’s got the megaphone, they’ve got…

Two points both like the article on strictly political grounds:

Does anyone remember the approval ratings for President Bush after 9/11 and before the votes on the Iraq war? That sure worked out for house members at the time didn’t it?

This is the same advice that might have been given to republicans in the first two years of the Clinton administration. Not taking it gave them control of the house for the first time in 40 years.

Anyone who thinks a vulnerable republican congressman who goes along with this plan will survive a primary challenge is silly. Remember our democrat friends were the same ones who told us McCain was the man to win with.

Bold prediction time: Anyone who thinks Obama will have approval ratings in the 60’s in two years is dead wrong. They will not be above 50%. It would not surprise me to see his ratings in the low 40’s.

Tim Blair notes that art for arts sake has now been replaced by Show me the money:

As the Obama administration tackles the challenge of shoring up the economy through infusions of capital and job creation, cultural leaders are urging the president not to forget arts institutions, which are also reeling from the market downturn.

“We wanted to make sure arts were not left out of the recovery,” said Robert L. Lynch, president of Americans for the Arts, a national lobbying group. “The artist’s paycheck is every bit as important as the steelworker’s paycheck or the autoworker’s paycheck.”

Read the whole thing, nobody does a comedy fisking like Blair

DaTechGuy Jan 24th:

here is what I think the government should do outside of the normal functions of controlling the money supply and interest rates:

Do nothing.

That’s it, no stimulus, no bailouts, no directed loans. Let the business cycle work itself out.

The Politico Jan 28th:

In fact, government stimulus plans have a long history of failure. Remember last February’s $168 billion economic stimulus package? President Bush called it “a booster shot for our economy” and promised that it was large enough to have an effect. It wasn’t, and it didn’t work.

This time around, the Do-Nothing Crowd argues that the new spending — which dwarfs last year’s effort — is probably insufficient and definitely unwise. It is largely an economic argument. But there is also a cultural dimension. Many of the Do-Nothings argue that a painful recession is the best way to destroy America’s runaway culture of irresponsibility and debt. Economic turmoil, after all, has a way of grounding Americans.

Via Glenn who makes this statement of fact:

when it’s prudence vs. pork, prudence usually comes in a poor second.

I’d say when it prudence vs. almost anything it comes in a poor second.

…because we don’t have to rely on talking heads and the government to know what’s in the stimulus bill. We can just check online at ReadTheStimulus.com.

Not only can we read the bill but we can search it to find particular things that are hidden within it.

This means we have no excuse for ignorance and puts the blame for inaction on our part squarely on us.

Peter Robinson notes something:

Although I thought I’d already grown numb to the statistics, this one very nearly brought a fresh tear to my eye: In its present form, the bill, which contemplates spending about $825 billion, runs to 940 pages. That comes to about $877 million per page.

Hey we’re paying for this bill.

Yesterday commenting on the economic plan and what was being proposed and how it was done I had this to say:

This is what is happening , the ground is being prepared not for the recovery of the county’s economy but for the retention of power. If the economy recovers all well and good but if not they are going to be damn sure that they keep their majorities.

First things first after all.

Well it looks like someone a whole lot more knowledgeable than me on this has something to say about this:

Put simply, I believe his stimulus is aimed at re-establishing “eternal” power for the Democrat Party rather than stimulating the economy because anyone with a brain knows this is NOT how you stimulate the economy. If I can be made to serve as a distraction, then there is that much less time debating the merits of this TRILLION dollar debacle.

I don’t claim to have the experience of Rush Limbaugh but remember first and foremost this is what it going on. Anyone who thinks it isn’t the case isn’t paying attention. economy

In my little blog post about bi-partianship I talked about the recovery not coming for at least 2 years and probably longer. Here is what I think concerning the economy, here is what I think the government should do outside of the normal functions of controlling the money supply and interest rates:

Do nothing.

That’s it, no stimulus, no bailouts, no directed loans. Let the business cycle work itself out.

This will of course not happen, there was (and is) an awful lot of money given by an awful lot of people in the hopes of getting a piece of government pie as Glenn Reynolds put it:

This is not so much a stimulus, as a massive transfer of wealth from the politically unconnected to the politically connected.

Given time the business cycle will work itself out. In fact if all we did was wait on the business cycle I suspect the recovery would come a whole lot sooner. One could if necessary one can provide some relief to individuals by extending unemployment and or increasing the earned income tax credit. (not my favorite choices but it would get money the people most likely to spend it to survive.) but large dough dumps to political friends when we don’t even know where the money goes aren’t going to do it.

If the Obama team was really smart they would make a much smaller bill with maybe the provisions listed above. If they absolutely HAVE to spend it on something a full going over of bridges and dams would be a good move followed by grants to state and local government for any needed repairs since the work needs doing anyway. Combine that with the unemployment and earned income tax thing and then stand pat. In under 4 years the business cycle would heal itself and he could rightly take full credit! Sometimes the smartest thing to do is nothing more than to keep a calm head.

Politically the instinct to do something dramatic is strong, the instinct to reward contributors is even stronger. (Particularly those contributors let in via the campaigns interesting use of credit cards) Given the president’s history of avoiding political risk it seems unlikely that he would resist these instincts assuming that he wanted to.

Well if one is going to offer criticism one should also offer a solution. This is mine.