There has been a real debate on if foreign born Terrorist Sayfullo Saipovv should be sent to Gitmo or not. The debate has been interesting because you have the sight of John McCain and Lindsey Graham, favorites of Democrats and the left, reminding said leftists why they are still republicans, namely they are in favor of treating the enemies of the United States as…enemies of the United States and that’s not allowed in the Democrat Party anymore (See Iran).

It is however a fair argument to make that he was a legal immigrant who committed a crime and thus should go to the justice system, and in other circumstances that would be a good argument, but unfortunately we are at war with ISIS and we have an excellent precedent for a situation like this in via one of the most crafty pols ever to hold a General’s Rank in the US Army. General Benjamin Butler.

At a time in the Civil War when Lincoln was not talking emancipation in order to hold the border states Benjamin Butler, who tended to do things his own way, decided that returning fugitive slaves only helped the enemy and decided against it declaring them “contraband of war”. At one point he was questioned over it by a fellow officer from Virginia if he didn’t feel obliged to return slaves under the Fugitive Slave Law. (Butler was known to be sympathetic to the south before the war but a vapid anti secessionist.) Butler answer was classic:

…the Fugitive Slave act did not effect a foreign country, which Virginia claimed to be! And she must reckon one the infelicities of her position that insofar at least she was taken at his word.

I think the same logic works here. If a CNN analyst argues that, as a legal immigrant, Sayfullo Saipovv retains the rights of any other person arrested in the United States, including the right to a civilian trial and is not subject to being sent to Gitmo, the answer I would give the rights of a legal immigrant do not apply to soldiers of ISIS taken in battle, which Mr. Saipovv claims to be and to paraphrase General Butler He must reckon one of the infelicities of his positions that insofar at least he is taken at his word.

If they counter that in this case as a prisoner of way Mr. Saipovv must be treated in accordance to the Geneva Convention we can reply that as the Islamic State is neither a signatory to the Geneva Convention in fact nor a practitioner of its rules in action any member of ISIS taken in battle is subject to be held as an enemy combatant and sent to Gitmo if the Army or the commander in chief should so desire.

And I’d bet real money that once, President Donald Trump, who know a winning issue when he see it, figures this out that this one is a gimmie, he will desire it pretty damn quick.

Closing thought: There was a time that I would have believed that the Harvey Weinstein Democrat Left would not be so tone deaf as to insist that a man who declares himself a woman must be treated as such but a man who declares himself a warrior for ISIS must not. But the last few years have been an education and I can’t wait to see Democrat Senate Candidates in Red States forced to make the choice between supporting sending Mr. Saipovv going to gitmo and upsetting the democrat base or opposing it and upsetting general election voters.

While the Senate releases a CIA report without talking to the CIA directors, Jonathan Gruber refuses to say how much government money he received, and John Kerry raises $5billion for Gaza, the U.S. released six Gitmo detainees to Uruguay.

In a country where polls show a majority of people oppose the transfer of the prisoners, and as other Latin American countries declined, lame-duck president José Mujica,

a former guerrilla who was imprisoned for 14 years—said that while he had long criticized the U.S. for its “interventions and abuses,” he couldn’t decline a request by Mr. Obama to accept the men.

Mujica is also allowing them to travel in and out of Uruguay.

It’s not clear what passports from what countries would the six use.

Who are the released men?

Four were members of the “Syrian Group;” all are connected to Abu Zubaydah; only one was deemed as “medium risk,” the other five were “high risk.”

Thomas Joscelyn writes that 6 Guantanamo detainees transferred to Uruguay were part of al Qaeda’s network, files allege

Interestingly, the intelligence contained in JTF-GTMO’s files linked all six transferred detainees to Abu Zubaydah, who has been the subject of much controversy. Zubaydah was captured in 2002 and subjected to harsh interrogation techniques. Some have claimed that Zubaydah was not really a senior al Qaeda leader at the time of his capture, but this argument is contradicted by dozens of pieces of intelligence contained in the JTF-GTMO files, among other evidence.

The dossiers compiled by the US government for each of the six transferred detainees include multiple pieces of evidence pointing to their ties to both Abu Zubaydah and al Qaeda. Four of the former detainees were members of the so-called “Syrian Group,” which was based at a guesthouse funded by Zubaydah. A fifth detainee was allegedly part of Zubaydah’s “Martyrs Brigade,” which sought to attack US forces in 2002. And the sixth was identified by Zubaydah as a trainee at the Khaldan camp, which was run by Zubaydah and his comrade in arms, Ibn Sheikh al Libi.

Joscelyn talked about the six in John Batchelor’s show, which you can listen here.

In addition to being able to fly in and out of the country, the six terrorists can also bring their families to Uruguay.

Uruguay’s defense minister, Eleuterio Fernández Huidobro, is Polyanna of the week, expecting the six to “live in peace, sit in the stadium grandstand and become fans of some soccer team.”

Considering their background, that’s high hopes indeed.

Elsewhere in Latin America, Colombia’s FARC is using al-Qaeda for European drug trade.

Fausta Rodriguez Wertz writes on U.S. and Latin American politics, news, and culture at Fausta’s Blog.

[Post corrected]

Hey if you are on the left and you think that Gitmo is unjust don’t worry about the news about about keeping it open

The just-passed National Defense Authorization Act includes language that forbids using Department of Defense money to transfer Guantanamo detainees stateside, even for a trial. National security staff have been trying to figure out whether to try accused terrorists–most notably Khalid Sheikh Mohammed–in civilian court or a military tribunal, but the defense bill makes tribunals the only option.

* Plus, Obama Will Issue an Executive Order Calling for Indefinite Detention

Hey folks on the left don’t worry you KNOW that this eyewitness testimony is sure to win people over:

The strangest things kept happening to Walid Muhammad Hajj during his years as a prisoner in Guantanamo Bay. “Once, when I was sleeping – on the floor, not on a bed – I suddenly felt that a cat was trying to penetrate me”, he told al-Jazeera in a recent interview. “It tried to penetrate me again and again.”

Then there was that “incident with a guy who sat next to me in the morning. When they brought the milk, he began to urinate into the milk.” “That’s when we knew that he was under a spell,” Mr Hajj recalled. “After he had recovered a little, after we read Koranic verses to him, he said to me: ‘The birds on the barbed wire would talk to me, and tell me to urinate in the milk.’”

Jewish staff in Guantanamo Bay, Mr Hajj concluded, practiced witchcraft on the inmates.

You can’t get more credible than that can you? I guess Gitmo is radicalizing people isn’t it?

Hey with all that Witchcraft being practiced by the Jews at Gitmo no wonder Seattle was going to put anti-Jewish stuff on their buses, that is until my show 4 guest Pam Geller decided to buy counter ads and then guess what:

two days after my organization, the American Freedom Defense Initiative, announced that we would be running king-sized pro-Israel ads on Seattle buses to counter their hate ads, King County Metro Transit folded: Transit officials issued a statement Thursday saying that they would be refusing the anti-Israel, antisemitic ads. They were “changing their policy.”

I always thought the best answer to speech is more speech but apparently Seattle thinks otherwise, but Pam being Pam isn’t going to stop there:

The Jew-hating, anti-Israel ad didn’t “pose an unacceptable risk of harm, disruption and interference with the transportation system and other breaches of the public safety, peace and order” until we responded with fierce truth. And then they said, never mind. But they won’t get off so easy. This is actionable. Legally actionable.

We will pursue this battle legally and roll out the pro-Israel bus ads elsewhere. My life-saving bus ads for Muslim apostates were banned in Detroit. We had to sue to get them up in Miami. We had to sue New York transit to get Ground Zero bus ads up.

Speech is free as long as you demonize Jews or Christians.

But we will not stand for it. And you shouldn’t, either.

Hey, whose side are you going to take, some Jewish Woman from New York or that sage of Islamic rationalism Walid Muhammad Hajj?

Stacy McCain’s great grandfather became a prisoner of war of the United states of America.

He was not given Hatal foods, or elliptical trainers and didn’t have the money of Bin Laden nor a large left wing infrastructure interested in his rights.

Somehow when released he didn’t spend the rest of his life trying to kill northerners or teach his children. Yet because of his fight (for a cause I think stunk) many of our friends on the left hold him and his decedents is a lower regard then people who are currently trying to kill us.

There is a lesson there for our friends on the left.

…Joe Scarborough gives the best summery of the costs changing the intelligence tactics out there. He directly explains the cost of not holding and interrogating suspect and the moves to prosecute those who apprehend them is that we will not get the information needed to protect us from attack. He declares that it is a trade off that will cost American lives. He doesn’t judge it, but says we as a society need to understand this as we make that decision.

The video is not yet available but it should be watched by everyone and anyone who offers an opinion on Gitmo et/al.

That’s why this show is just drives you nuts sometimes.

He wrote the op-ed demolishing the fallacious John Adams analogy that the left has been using concerning Gitmo etc when I just thinking about writing about it:

For starters, Adams was a British subject at the time he took up their representation. The Declaration of Independence had not yet been signed, and there was no United States of America. The British soldiers were Adams’ fellow countrymen — not foreign enemies of the state at war with his country.

as for the 6th amendment argument

the Sixth Amendment “guarantees the accused — that means somebody who has been indicted or otherwise charged with a crime — a right to counsel. But that right only exists if you are accused, which means you are someone the government has brought into the civilian criminal justice system (emphasis mine) and lodged charges against.”

Or to put it another way, during the war when not in formal negotiation with England John Adams actions when in the presence of officers of the crown consisted of shooting his musket at them and convincing others to do the same. It doesn’t surprise me that the left twists Adams to their own ends, then again I suspect John Adams would not recognize the contortions that the Massachusetts supreme court has put the Constitution he wrote for our state through either.

Let hope Lawrence O’Donnell was not near any sharp objects when he read Marc’s piece.

…isn’t this kind of a weird story:

Iranian regime President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lashed out at President Barack Obama for not closing down Gitmo as he had promised.

You know once there was a day when murderous despots had to make up promises broken by American presidents. It’s pretty odd when a guy like Ahmadinejad can say something like this and be accurate.

Of course, I approve of breaking this promise but it should never have been made. That is actually a bit of Lincoln in him to quote:

As to sustaining it, my promise is out, as before stated. But, as bad promises are better broken than kept, I shall treat this as a bad promise, and break it, whenever I shall be convinced that keeping it is adverse to the public interest.

In the words of the 10th doctor, the world is very strange.