Every now and then Amnesty International notices the things that some of us have been highlighting for a while:

A leading international watchdog on Wednesday accused the militant Hamas group of abducting, torturing and killing Palestinians during the war in the Gaza Strip last year, saying some of the actions amount to war crimes.
Amnesty International detailed the abuses in a report entitled “Strangling Necks’: Abduction, torture and summary killings of Palestinians by Hamas forces during the 2014 Gaza/Israel conflict.”
According to the London-based human rights group, some 23 Palestinians were shot and killed and dozens more were arrested and tortured by Hamas, which rules Gaza. The Palestinians targeted were either political rivals of Hamas, including members of the Fatah party of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, or people the militant group had accused of cooperating with Israel, Amnesty said.

the report notes executions and beatings such as this:

While I was there Internal Security came to the house and knocked loudly at the door; a relative told them no one was home and the family was in Gaza City at their brother’s home. I went downstairs to see what was happening and two men took me into a Mitsubishi car. They said they were from Internal Security and I was wanted for questioning.

I sat in the back seat between two of them. They put a blindfold on me and a pistol to my head and told me not to raise my head. I don’t know where they took me; it seemed far away and they kept going around in circles with the car.

They asked if I knew why I had been taken. When I said I did not, they said, “Now you will find out”, and started
beating me. I was taken down steps to what seemed like a ground floor, where I was beaten for about half an hour while my hands were tied with rope. Someone else came and said I was to be brought upstairs, so I was taken to either the second or third floor, as we went up steps. Upstairs, I was hung by the legs and handcuffed and beaten.

Finally, someone said, “He does not want to confess, hang him up.” They hung my legs from the ceiling while I was handcuffed, then beaten with metal bars and pipes. I was accused of using and dealing the drug Tramal [a painkiller], and also of using and dealing in hashish and procuring women. I would not confess to any of the charges.

But while the report strongly and rightly hits Hamas, Amnesty being Amnesty reserves a strong critique of Israel in the 2nd & third paragraphs of the executive summary.

For a strange reason I suspect our friends in the press (you know the once who aren’t noticing the rockets being fired at Israel this week will be much more interested in reporting those paragraphs than the rest of the 40+ pages of the report, particularly since they need not fear for their physical safety for press attacks on Israel.

Elder of Ziyon sees Amnesty’s report as simply another means to make demands of Israel:

What does this have to do with the subject of the report?

Under the excuse of allowing any UN or international investigation into Hamas activity – investigations that simply will never happen – Amnesty is demanding that Israel open itself up to biased prosecutions, for example under the Rome Statute that includes text written specifically to damn Israel and no other country.

Amnesty isn’t interested in justice for Hamas. It wants to use Hamas as a fig-leaf to issue more ultimatums against Israel.

That sounds about right.

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See it?
See it?

By John Ruberry

“See it
For the same reason no one ever
Pointed a telescope at the sun”
The Clash, Red Angel Dragnet.

The last 100 years can safely be placed into the following eras. World War I (1914-1918), Interwar (1918-1939), World War II (1939-1945), the Cold War (1945-1991), and the present epoch, the Age of Islamic Terror (1991-present). Certainly there were Muslim-inspired terror acts before 1991, such as the assassination of Anwar Sadat ten years earlier by an Islamist. But the Cold War was the driving international political force then.

Now Islamic terror and the rest of the world’s response to it is the global impetus of change, for good or for ill.

And what has happened since 1991? Some of the atrocities include the first World Trade Center attack, Osama bin Laden’s two jihad fatwas, al Qaeda’s African embassy bombings and its bombing of the USS Cole, 9/11, the 2002 Bali bombings, the 3/11 bombings in Madrid, Hamas’ takeover of Gaza, Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear weapon, the 7/7 bombings in London, Hezbollah’s war with Israel, the 2008 Mumbai attacks, Fort Hood, thousands of sectarian murders in Iraq and Pakistan, the Boston Marathon bombings, the rise of Boko Haram in Nigeria, Benghazi, the ascent of the Islamic State in Syria and northern Iraq, and this month’s Charlie Hebdo slaughter in Paris. This rundown reads like a listing of the theaters of conflict during the Second World War.

Sometimes radical Islamists attacks other Muslims, such as last week’s removal from office of the president of Yemen by Iranian-backed Shi’ites.

For the most part world leaders ignore or obfuscate the reality that they are living in the Age of Islamic Terror. President Obama regularly refers to Islamic terror as “violent extremism,” a term that is broad enough to include gang-bang murders on Chicago’s South Side. Great Britain’s prime minister, David Cameron, says his nation is not at war with radical Islam, countering it’s “just a huge challenge our society faces.” But the war is there. Just as the sun is there as well–even if we don’t point a telescope at it.

John Ruberry regularly blogs at Marathon Pundit.

Basil Fawlty:Can’t we get you on Mastermind, Sybil? Next contestant: Mrs. Sybil Fawlty from Torquay. Specialist subject – the bleeding obvious.

Fawlty Towers  Basil the Rat 1979

The latest in our series of posts on subjects that should surprise nobody who is paying attention:

Today’s piece highlights the blog Israel Matzav and both Jeffrey Goldberg and Hamas & Fatah

At first glance it would seem that Jeffery Goldberg’s piece in the Atlantic this week concerning the attack on Jews at worship in Jerusalem would be our primary argument but a closer examination of it shows that he doesn’t quite get it.

One of the most shocking aspects of the murderous attack on a Jerusalem synagogue this morning by men with guns and axes is not the attack itself—we’ve seen, from time to time, this sort of sectarian barbarism take place in places like Jerusalem, and Hebron. The most shocking aspect is the wholesale endorsement of this slaughter by Hamas, a group that, during this summer’s war in Gaza, half-succeeded in convincing the world that it wasn’t what it actually is: a group with actual genocidal intentions.
There is an inherent contradiction in that paragraph, in the same sentence that he notes that Hamas is a bunch of murderous bastards, he expresses shock that said murderous bastards expressing the opinion expected of murderous bastards:
This is how a Hamas spokesman reacted to the massacre of Jews at prayer: “The new operation is heroic and a natural reaction to Zionist criminality against our people and our holy places. We have the full right to revenge for the blood of our martyrs in all possible means.”
I suspect  he is speaking in a PR sense.  He’s shocked they’re not playing the game that has fools his readers and friends in the media.  Yet he himself  is falling for that very same game when it comes to the Palestinian Authority:
The Palestinian Authority leader, the more moderate Mahmoud Abbas, has condemned the attack, but it is also fair to say that he helped create the atmosphere in which attacks like this one become more likely.
Goldberg implies that the PA & Abbas are moderates.  They would certainly would NEVER celebrate the massacre of Jews at prayer, and they certainly would never say one thing for western consumption & something different to their own people.
And above all they certainly wouldn’t post an explanation on Facebook to explain their condemnation are just for show , would they?

Following the Palestinian Authority’s condemnation of this morning’s terror attack in which 4 Jews were murdered while praying in a Jerusalem synagogue, Abbas’ Fatah showed on its official Facebook page that Abbas’ condemnation is not sincere.

Fatah explained Abbas’ condemnation of the murders by using Palestinian Media Watch documentation showing Arafat’s bodyguard explaining that Arafat would lie and condemn terror attacks due to international pressure to do so, but that “it wasn’t true.”

via Israel Maztav who notes:
Until Goldberg and his friends in the media are willing to be honest about all the ‘Palestinian’ leadership’s genocidal intentions, those who depend on the media for their news will not understand the true nature of the threat facing us. The Temple Mount is just a sideshow. If it weren’t that, it would be something else.
Goldberg willingness to continue to play this game while Fatah’s military continues to train for war costs lives.

Poole: Care to revise your statement, sir?

Guard: What?

Marshal Samuel Gerard: Do you want to change you bullshit story, sir?

The Fugitive 1993

You know when you live long enough you see just about everything.

For example I’m old enough to remember the days when people objected to Israel Blaming Hamas for the kidnapping and murder of those Israeli teens that was the prelude to the latest round of fighting in the Israel & Gaza.

Khaled Meshal, head of the Hamas political bureau, told Sky News in Arabic on Wednesday that his organization is not behind the kidnapping and murder of the three Israeli teens in the West Bank. According to the report, Khaled asked Turkey to intervene in the crisis with Israel and to convey a message that Hamas is interested in calming things down and avoiding further military conflict with Israel.

Furthermore

According to these sources, Hamas requested that Turkey convey messages to Israel to the effect that the organization has no connection to the kidnapping. Qatar also conveyed similar messages to Israel and the Palestinian Authority leadership.

And you could find attacks on Israel for blaming Hamas all over the net

If this ends with the missing teens being rescued, how will Netanyahu try to convince the world that Hamas was truly behind the kidnapping? If Netanyahu cannot prove his case against Hamas with solid and indisputable proof that the Palestinian organization was really behind the kidnapping this could very well be the last such hoax that Netanyahu pulls.

In tweets

In US Magazines:

It Turns Out Hamas May Not Have Kidnapped and Killed the 3 Israeli Teens After All

And with smug words

As in the case of Weapons of Mass Destruction, many observers and journalists never bought the Israeli story.

And “Smoking gun proof:”

Today, the whole world is recognizing and applauding Palestine’s new coalition government featuring the newly-reconciled PLA and Hamas. Israel is going crazy, screaming about the “evil Hamas terrorists.” Suddenly three Israeli teens are allegedly kidnapped. Israel blames Hamas, and initiates a brutal crackdown in the West Bank.

But Hamas had nothing to gain, and everything to lose, from pulling off this kind of kidnapping. The only beneficiary is Israel, which wants to delegitimize the Palestinian coalition government. The situation fairly screams “false flag!

Prompting smug remarks in comments

I am deeply ashamed over the falsehood of fanatic Jews in Israel.

Ah those halcyon days of my youth, I remember them well.

Alas how things change with the passage of time

A top Hamas official said members of his militant group kidnapped three Israeli teenagers whose deaths in June provoked a spiral of violence that led to the war in Gaza, the first acknowledgement of the movement’s involvement.

Hamas, which controls Gaza, has up to now refused to confirm or deny Israeli accusations that it masterminded the abduction and killing of the three young men, one of them a joint U.S.-Israeli citizen, in Hebron

but but False flag!

“There was much speculation about this operation, some said it was a conspiracy,” al-Arouri told delegates at the meeting of the International Union of Islamic Scholars on Wednesday, a recording of which was posted online by organisers.

“The popular will was exercised throughout our occupied land, and culminated in the heroic operation by the Qassam Brigades in imprisoning the three settlers in Hebron,” he said, referring to Hamas’s armed wing.

Amazing what you find out as time marches on. Why I remember those early denials of Hamas’s responsibility like they were only last month…

…come to think of it they were last month weren’t they?

 

Well maybe the various Jew haters out there will have better luck with this story from the US:

Temple University is investigating after a student reportedly attacked and made anti-Semitic remarks to another student at an event welcoming students to campus.

Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) is going long on denials

There was an incident today @ Templefest involving someone who is NOT a member of our organization, but accusations by right wing media are patently false. No Anti Semitic sentiments or slurs. We’re writing a statement w/ eyewitness testimony at the moment.

Temple has put out their own statement on their website:

Temple University is investigating a report of an attack against a student late Wednesday afternoon on main campus. The attack is alleged to have included physical violence and anti-Semitic statements and religious slurs. As part of its investigation, Temple asks that anyone with information about the incident contact Campus Safety Services immediately at 215-204-1234.

Temple University unequivocally condemns the disparagement or assault of any person based on religion or nationality. The university will not tolerate violence of any kind directed against members of the Temple community.

In addition, university officials Wednesday night reached out to leaders of the Temple Jewish and pro-Palestinian communities to discuss the incident and a best path for moving forward.

I wonder if those denials will hold up as long over the course of time as Hamas’ did?

The characteristic of Pains and Pleasures is that they are unmistakably real, and therefore, as far as they go, give the man who feels them a touchstone of reality. Thus if you had been trying to damn your man by the Romantic method…you would try to protect him at all costs from any real pain; because, of course, five minutes’ genuine toothache would reveal the romantic sorrows for the nonsense they were and unmask your whole stratagem.

C.S. Lewis Screwtape 13

Captain Hughes: In fairness to all of you I am honor bound to ask this question. Is there anyone here who doesn’t want to be a member of his majesty’s navy?

Seaman: ( Steps forward) Me Sir!

Captain Hugues: (Produces pistol and shoots the man. He drops dead with a groan & thud) Is there anyone else reluctant to serve

Yellowbeard 1983

One of the problems when you live by a lie or by propaganda sooner or later reality reasserts itself and the entire game is up.

That is the situation in Gaza and Iraq today.

Let’s start with Gaza, for the last several weeks we’ve been told all about Israel’s targeting of civilians as member after member of the press showed pictures of the dead spun Israel’s culpability.   (with the exception of some fellow by the name of Tapper) .

Well unfortunately for Hamas in Gaza when the cease fire started the reporters started leaving Gaza and once there were no longer within shooting distance of these guys…behold:

Israel has argued that that these rockets are fired from civilian areas, and this is why its retaliatory strikes can result in civilian casualties. 

But this morning, NDTV witnessed one such rocket silo being created under a tent right next to the hotel where our team was staying.  

the key bit:

This report is being aired on NDTV and published on ndtv.com after our team left the Gaza strip 

And now we have news organizations complaining about their treatment by Hamas

The FPA protests in the strongest terms the blatant, incessant, forceful and unorthodox methods employed by the Hamas authorities and their representatives against visiting international journalists in Gaza over the past month. 


The international media are not advocacy organisations and cannot be prevented from reporting by means of threats or pressure, thereby denying their readers and viewers an objective picture from the ground.
In several cases, foreign reporters working in Gaza have been harassed, threatened or questioned over stories or information they have reported through their news media or by means of social media. 


We are also aware that Hamas is trying to put in place a “vetting” procedure that would, in effect, allow for the blacklisting of specific journalists. Such a procedure is vehemently opposed by the FPA.

Michael Totten who has some experience reporting from the area states the obvious:

Of course this happened. Gaza is ruled by a dictatorship and a terrorist army, and this is what dictators and terrorists do. I’d flatly refuse to believe any report that said otherwise. Hezbollah pulled the same crap with me in Lebanon, and that was during peace time, not war time. I also told my readers about it and refused to be censored. And Hezbollah, at least in some ways, is less oppressive and controlling than Hamas.

Alan Johnson published a round-up of first-person reports in The Telegraph if you want to know the nuts-and-bolts of how this actually works.

 
All of this is bad news for Hamas but what’s happening in Iraq is worse, much worse for their PR war vs Israel.

Hamas has been maintaining that Israel is strangling their people, that they have been targeting civilians, they have described Israel as an apartheid state etc etc etc.

And then comes Isis in Iraq actually demonstrating what mass murder, targeting civilians and repression look like, forced conversions, mass murder, beheadings, targeting civilians and exclusions based on religion in an environment where the press dares not go.

All in the name of Allah.

It’s one thing to use an example from 95 years to demonstrate the absurdity of the charges against Israel. It’s another to be able to say: “You want to see actual repression & murder? Just head to Gaza city and bang a right.”

It’s not a good week for Hamas at all.

Exit Question: Did I miss the mass marches of Muslims in Paris, London and the rest of Europe condemning Isis for perverting Islam?

Update: This report on Gazans critique of Hamas is the icing on the cake

“We do not want to be bombarded every two or three years. We want to lead a good life: Sleep well, drink well and eat well,”

That doesn’t seem like much a critique to me yet to the author is it an act of courage:

It is impossible to say how widespread such discontent is among Gaza’s 1.8 million residents. Under Hamas rule, it’s rare and dangerous to share even as much as a hint of criticism of the government with outsiders.

Still, the men’s boldness in voicing their opinions could be a telling sign that some Gazans see Hamas as weakened.

If that’s considered boldness on the part of Hamas what follows from Hamza Hendawi is downright courageous:

Hamas has ruled with an iron fist since it took over Gaza, expelling the Western-backed Palestinian Authority. It does not tolerate dissent, detains critics and carries out extrajudicial executions of alleged spies for Israel. It has filled government departments with loyalists and is particularly intolerant of any criticism of its handling of the conflict with Israel. It seeks to block unauthorized media coverage of its military wing.

Even one story like this from a reporter based in that area is a watershed moment.

Mr. Potter:You’re worth more dead than alive

It’s a Wonderful Life 1946

Batman: No Joker you’re playing the Wrong game, the Old game. Tonight you’re taking no Hostages. Tonight I’m taking no prisoners .

Batman the Dark Knight #3 1986

Any person who deals in commodities and the current owners of the Market Basket Chain can tell you that value is a fragile thing all dependent on time and circumstances.

For example: If a company might develop a drug for carpel tunnel syndrome and you make a compound used for that drug you would have a small niche market. If it turned out a side effect was to grow hair in men and remove body fat suddenly your compound would not only be more valuable but you likely couldn’t produce enough of it. If it turned out another side effect was impotence and an increased chance of stroke suddenly your product would not only be without value, but would be a liability.

This is basically what has happened to Lt. Hadar Goldin and is the reason why if he wasn’t dead on Friday he certainly is now.

It was a long established fact that a captured Israeli soldier was of great value to the various Palestinian terror groups. it not only demonstrated combat skill against the vaunted Israeli army but such a soldier as a hostage not only restrained Israel but was tradable for hundreds of their fellow terrorists. The last such solder was redeemed for 1000 enemies which is why Israel put such a premium of not getting captured.

Such was seemingly the case when Hadar Goldin was taken 90 minutes into the cease fire, Hamas was delighted at first to announce the capture

But suddenly the narrative changed.

Hamas which is pretty much fighting a a PR war with their own dead as props discovered that the media found violating a cease fire that was meant to allow the very relief that they demanded for their people, didn’t play well.

Suddenly the very people who were insisting Israel needed to honor the cease fire were all over Hamas, additionally Israel was incensed after giving into pressure for a cease fire the country already overwhelmingly in favor of the war promised an incredible prices for these actions. Israel’s attitude could be summed up in this teet via Legal Insurrection:

Hamas and their Palestinian mouthpieces were taken totally off guard and found themselves in full spin mode. Suddenly they had no idea what happened, they didn’t have any soldier and never captured him, and even if he WAS captured it was before the ceasefire and hey maybe these guys didn’t know about the cease fire.

Lt. Hadar Golden suddenly went from a captive that could be displayed as a triumph of Arab arms to a liability that had to be eliminated, at once.

Meanwhile the capture of Lt. Golden put Israel in an untenable position as well.

For all of the critique that Israel had taken they had pretty much succeeded in their primary objectives of taking out Hamas Tunnels and making it clear that neither the use of civilian homes, nor UN compounds were going to restrain Israel from taking out arms, munitions and those who use them.

But if you have the parents of a solder on TV holding up his picture, if you give the far left the argument that peace is necessary, not to save the Arabs but to rescue a brave young Jewish man serving his country suddenly you have an argument that not only might turn public opinion in the long run, but might stifle the offensive when they are on the verge of finishing the job.

That is the reality if Lt. Golden is a prisoner, how do you get around this problem? Like this:

At the news conference, Netanyahu answered questions about the missing soldier, 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin, saying he intended to speak to his family later.

A few hours later, about 2 a.m. Sunday, the Israeli military announced that the missing soldier had been killed in action. Goldin was posthumously promoted to lieutenant, Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said in a series of Twitter posts.

As a military decision declaring Lt. Golden dead publicly makes perfect sense. Suddenly the Israeli left and even his family do not have a lever to use to try to move the Israeli government. Meanwhile Hamas potential hold on Israel is gone, moreover even if Hamas actually has Lt. Golden this declaration sends a message to them that Israel isn’t playing the old game anymore, they’ve gone from the campy 60’s Batman, to the Dark Knight.

That’s the irony here,  Golden alive is a liability for Hamas and a problem for Israel, but if he is dead the problems for both are solved.

That’s why I think even if Lt. Golden was alive on Friday he isn’t anymore.

If you want a perfect illustration of the insanity that war produces, this is it.

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As I’ve already said Joe Scarborough has been a friend to this blog and to DaTechGuy on DaRadio and if anyone expects me to throw him under the bus it’s simply not going to happen, Sicilians don’t do that.

That being said when it comes to his statements on Israel the last few days I think Joe is very wrong on several levels.  Allow me to explain in some detail the fallacies:

1.  The blame game:

Kay:There’s always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet

Men in Black 1997

Joe’s initial comments concerning Israel came before the latest Hamas violation of the cease-fire but the problem he runs into is beyond that:

The United States of America — we cannot be associated with this if this continues. This is so bad, not only for the Israeli people, but for us.

The argument here is that it hurts the United States to be associated with Israel because of these actions but  However it doesn’t matter what Israel does o how far they go they are to blame.

If they invade to take out the tunnels they are to blame for invading.

If they shell or use airstrikes to stop the rockets they are to blamed for the shelling

If they do not shell but merely cut off the cement used to make the tunnels 

And if they do nothing and simply take Rocket fire then they are to blame because they don’t’ allow Hamas to pass the checkpoints into Israel.

Simply ask yourself if anyone internationally cares that Russia has been supporting Assad what kind of condemnation did they receive for this?

The bottom line is this:  It doesn’t matter what Israel does or doesn’t do the left & the arab world will consider it a criminal state and will attack the US for supporting it. 

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2.  The poor innocents:

Balton: If you love your brother, you must shelter him, hide him, protect him from the Mentiads. Remember what happened to your father.
Mula: My father didn’t fall into the hands of the Mentiads.
Balton: No
Mula: He was shot by the Captain’s guards.
Balaton: To save him from the Mentiads. At least he died a clean death. It was an act of mercy by the Captain.
Kimus: Oh well, thank you, O merciful Captain, for so kindly having Mula’s father shot down in the street like a dog.
Balaton: Listen, Kimus, let me tell you this. I would cheerfully strangle Pralix with my own hands to save him from those, those

Doctor Who: The Pirate Planet 1978

The second bit of nonsense in his argument involves  civilian casualties

“This continued killing of women and children in a way that appears to be indiscriminate is asinine. . . .

Note the point being made, the reality that if Israel was targeting civilians there wouldn’t be 1500 dead but 150,000 dead by now, but we are not supposed to react based on the reality but what “appears” to be reality.

If you want to see reality take this quote from Hillel Neuer via Yid with Lid:

If in the past year you didn’t cry out when thousands of protesters were killed and injured by Turkey, Egypt and Libya, when more victims than ever were hanged by Iran, women and children in Afghanistan were bombed, whole communities were massacred in South Sudan, 1800 Palestinians were starved and murdered by Assad in Syria, hundreds in Pakistan were killed by jihadist terror attacks, 10,000 Iraqis were killed by terrorists, villagers were slaughtered in Nigeria, but you only cry out for Gaza, then you are not pro human rights, you are only anti-Israel.

Now in fairness Joe has in fact talked about the deaths in Egypt, and in Syria and in Afghanistan but a large chunk of the people currently all over Israel have not, as far as they are concerning the hundreds killed in Syria, the Christians expelled by ISIS and the woman stoned to death and even the shooting of “collaborators” is a non-story.

In fact the #1 target of the various Islamic groups have always been their fellow Muslims and/or arabs who simply aren’t the right type of arab or muslim.

This leads to another logical conclusion:

The left and the Arab worlds concern for the dead innocents in directly proportional to their ability to blame Israel and/or the west for said deaths.

3.  Oh what comes next:

Jacob Woodling:  Quiet! Brigham Young has twenty seven wives and he hasn’t had half the trouble with them that I’ve had with the two of you!
Elizabeth: Then simplify your life, Jacob. Sell me.
Jacob Woodling: But Elizabeth: you don’t know what you’ll get.
Elizabeth:  
I know what I’ve had.

Paint Your Wagon  1969

Joe’s other point is the fear of what comes next:

As much as we all hate Hamas, what is going to replace Hamas is going to be much worse. It is going to be a radical Islamist group instead of just power-hungry, corrupt people that despise Israel. 

AllahPundit (via Stacy) made dismisses Joe’s argument thus:

If you take the “whatever comes next will be worse” logic to its ultimate conclusion, though, you’re forever left defending whichever bunch of degenerates is in charge at the time. Israel can’t oust Hamas because then Al Qaeda might take over; if Al Qaeda takes over, Israel can’t oust them or else ISIS might move in. If ISIS moves in, Israel can’t oust them or else a portal to hell will open in the ground and Hitler and Bin Laden will emerge from the earth to rule Gaza together.

It’s not a bad as far as it goes but given what we’ve seen in Egypt, Syria & Libya over the last couple of years I find it an insufficient counter Joe Scarborough’s point.  One could credibly make the case the world would be better if there had been no revolts in any of those three states.

The actual error in Joe’s reasoning is actually illustrated by this seemingly unrelated post from Elder of Zion noting that the world (and Israel) is pretty much ignoring the rockets currently being shot from the West Bank:

The Abu Nidal Brigades of Fatah’s Al Asqa Martyrs Brigades helpfully gives us a tally: 

34 N103 missiles .
173 107 missiles .
32 Grad rockets.
53 120 mm mortar rounds
23 80 mm mortar rounds
14 60 mm mortar rounds
One RPG-7 .
Moltka anti-missile shields.


At least three other Fatah terror groups have also fired rockets at Israel.

Why is Fatah doing this,  because of a simple fact:

A senior Fatah official told me earlier this week in Ramallah that Fatah has felt obliged to fire some rockets against Israel, lest it be seen as collaborating with the Jewish state.

This is Fatah’s defense for war crimes – because they don’t want to look too peaceful to their own people!

Think about that for a second, the supposedly moderate Fatah, the people who are simply interested in living large off of their own corruption and the foreign aid that pours in feels obliged to attempt to attack Israel to prove to their people that they are interested in killing Jews.

That’s the dirty little secret, if there was an election in the west bank, in Gaza on peace or war with Israel, the vote would be overwhelmingly for war.

The same would be true if such a vote took place in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran Libya  and even Iraq.  The people are overwhelmingly in favor of destroying the Jewish state.

And let not forget what protesters across Europe are saying:

 Residents of Frankfurt and Dortmund were horrified in mid-July to see neo-Nazi groups join hands with left-wing Islamists in a grim chant: “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas.” The center of London was blocked on July 19 by thousands who gathered in front of the Israeli embassy in Kensington to shout their hatred for Jews.


Not to mention Amsterdam, the city of Spinoza, Europe’s capital of tolerance, where in certain neighborhoods it has become practically impossible to wear a yarmulke in public without running the risk of being insulted or assaulted.

At the Tablet they really nail it:

Rahman Azzam Pasha, the head of the newly formed Arab League, spoke for his “honor group” when he threatened that “if the Zionists dare establish a state, the massacres we would unleash would dwarf anything which Genghis Khan and Hitler perpetrated.” As the Armenians had discovered a generation earlier, the mere suspicion of rebellion could engender massacres.
Instead a group of Jews who survived Hitler’s ovens not only were not massacred but defeated the arabs again and again from 1948 all the way to 1973 (notwithstanding Egypt’s self-delusion celebration of their “victory” in that last war.  For a culture based on honor or saving face that is intolerable which is why 70 years later these people are still considered “refugees” )
 If the refugees from this Zionist aggression disappeared, absorbed by their brethren in the lands to which they fled, this would acknowledge the intolerable: that Israel had won. And so, driven by rage and denial, the Arab honor group redoubled the catastrophe of its own refugees: They made them suffer in camps, frozen in time at the moment of the humiliation, waiting and fighting to reverse that Zionist victory that could be acknowledged. The continued suffering of these sacrificial victims on the altar of Arab pride called out to the Arab world for vengeance against the Jews. In the meantime, wherever Muslims held power, they drove their Jews out as a preliminary act of revenge.
 It’s no accident that arab nations are pretty much Judenrein and remains the explanation for every problem in every arab state to wit:
Ahmed Sheikh, editor in chief of Al Jazeera,blames Israel for the lack of democracy in the Arab world:

The day when Israel was founded created the basis for our problems. … It’s because we always lose to Israel. It gnaws at the people in the Middle East that such a small country as Israel, with only about 7 million inhabitants, can defeat the Arab nation with its 350 million. That hurts our collective ego. The Palestinian problem is in the genes of every Arab. The West’s problem is that it does not understand this.

Sheikh’s conclusion is not that ending the fight with Israel might lead to democracy, but rather that once the West lets the Arabs win against Israel, then they’ll build democracies.
Note that phrase, “letting them win”, as if they would have destroyed Israel if it wasn’t for the west, let’s not forget that during the 1967 war Egypt & Jordan openly debated if they would claim their air forces were decimated by US & British troops because it could not be conceded that they were crushed by mere jews.
And let’s top of this point with from this quote from Commentary via  Carl from Jerusalem:
The M-75 is a technological marvel–a homemade medium-range rocket capable of striking Tel Aviv, developed despite stringent Israeli import restrictions aimed at preventing Hamas from doing just that. It’s a purely offensive weapon with no defensive purpose, and Palestinians love it. An enterprising Gaza merchant even named a perfume after it two years ago, when it was first deployed, and Reuters reported that sales promptly soared.
It all adds up to this bottom line:  No matter who is in charge in Gaza their ultimate goal will be the destruction of Israel and the death of the Jews and anyone who doesn’t understand this is deluding themselves.
Joe’s primary worry is a Hamas victory in the PR department but that really can’t be helped due to the simple fact that Israel given the choice of destroying their enemies or containing them has chosen the more difficult containment option which does occasionally involves  destroying the arabs  ability to shoot at them and that Hamas given the choice between live Palestinians and dead ones that harm Israel’s reputation will choose dead ones every single time.
Until Palestinian and islamic culture changes that’s simply how it is.

Royal Forester Well our duty doesn’t included getting ourselves killed.

The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Coming of Robin Hood 1955

Mr. Spock: It was far easier for you as civilised men to behave like barbarians, than it was for them to behave like civilised men.

Star Trek:  Mirror Mirror 1067

You know how the foes of “religion” have no problem hitting Christianity via parody, in film or TV,  but pee their pants at the hint of offending Islam because they are afraid of getting their throats cut?

Same thing in Gaza with Hamas

What is disturbing is that foreign journalists did not bother (or dare) to ask any of the Hamas leaders and self-proclaimed spokesmen whether they were hiding inside the hospital, regardless of what the answer would doubtless be. They apparently did not even ask themselves this question. .

One foreign journalist explained that asking such a question would have “endangered my life.” Another admitted over coffee that he and his colleagues were too scared to report news that would anger Hamas and other radical groups.

“We know that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields,” the reporter, who asked not to be identified, said. “But why would you report this when you are sitting in the middle of the Gaza Strip, surrounded by Hamas gunmen?”

Of course Hamas would claim that this is almost as unlikely as them summarily executing people without trial

Palestinian sources have confirmed that Hamas has executed at least 13 Palestinians on suspicion of “collaboration” with Israel. None of the suspects was brought to trial, and the executions were reportedly carried out in the most brutal manner, with torture that included severe beating and breaking arms and legs. 

According to the sources, Hamas has also been shooting suspected “collaborators” in the legs to prevent them from moving around. Many others, including Fatah activists, have been placed under house arrest by Hamas

For those of you who doubt this let me quote Cosmic X who reminds us of a fellow at CNN named Eason Jordan

Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN’s Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard — awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff.

Via Yid with Lid who also notes when John Reed of the Financial Times tweeted this:

was answered with this:

In response, @Saritah_91 tweeted: “We’ll hold you responsible if Israel uses your tweet to bomb the hospital & then justify it.”

Yeah these guys are going to be all nice about that.

If anyone thinks a CNN or NBC name is going to risk getting himself shot over  report that annoys Hamas you’re out of your mind.

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We can’t change the hearts of these people of the south but we can make war so terrible … [and] make them so sick of war that generations would pass away before they would again appeal to it.

General William T Sherman

Over the last several days all kinds of pressure has been put on Israel to agree to a cease fire with Hamas. In the Washington Post Michael Oren has made the case against.

Allowed to fight for several weeks, at most, Israel was eventually condemned and hamstrung by cease-fires. The terrorists, by contrast, could emerge from their hideouts and begin to replenish and enhance their stockpiles. That is precisely the pattern established in the second Lebanon War and repeated in Operations Cast Lead and Pillar of Defense in Gaza. Hezbollah and Hamas sustained losses but, rescued and immunized by international diplomacy, they remained in power and became more powerful still. Israel, on the other hand, was forced to defend its right to defend itself. Jihadist organizations no different from the Islamic State and al-Qaeda gained regional legitimacy, while Israel lost it in the world.

Oren argues that a cease fire only helps Hamas allowing them to hold on to what they have and then re-arm to fight again. To let them do this would be the equivalent of the allied powers in World War 2 allowing a cease fire in 1945 due to civilian casualties in WW 2 or the North giving the South a cease fire in the civil war. in December of 1864. Given the time to re-arm, re-intrench and rally not only would their military regenerate (Imagine a Germany with 6 months to develop their Jets & Rockets or a Confederacy with the Union blockade lifted for half a year) but their culture would not change.

That is what is at stake here, to give Hamas a cease fire is to have an operation and leave part of the cancerous tissue in place or to take an antibiotic for half the time then stop.

Eventually the disease will come back and kill you, and judging by the violence of the protests by arabs in Europe and the US that infection is just dying to spread.

Israel understands this but the west that has forgotten its history does not.

Last week I asked the question: Where are the Gaza Bomb Shelters

Where is the siren system? Where are the shelters purchased with either western aid or Arab oil money?

For 10 years Hamas has owned the Gaza strip, they have had complete control of the area and while they’ve managed to acquire rockets to shoot at Israel and tunnels to get into Israel for kidnapping and bomb setting they haven’t taken the time to build bomb shelters.

Why not? If they are actually concerned about their people under Israeli attack surely they would invest in shelters for their women and children to take cover in during an Israeli attack? Surely the great humanitarians of Hamas would take the time and the foreign money to make sure their sons and daughters are protected?

Well Jonathan Tobin manages to figure it all out:

The assumption is that the Hamas-run strip is too poor to afford building shelters and safe rooms for its civilians, a point that adds to the impression that the Palestinians are helpless victims who deserve the sympathy if not the help of the world in fending off Israel’s assault on Hamas’s arsenal.

But the assumption is utterly false. Gaza’s tyrants have plenty of money and material to build shelters. And they have built plenty of them. They’re just not for the people of Gaza.

The tunnel system is must too valuable to waste on the mere citizens of Gaza but those unhappy people do manage to serve a purpose above ground.

But lowering casualties isn’t part of Hamas’s action plan that is predicated on sacrificing as many of their own people as possible in order to generate foreign sympathy. Instead, they cower behind the civilians, shooting missiles next to schools, storing ammunition in mosques (as today’s explosion in Gazaillustrated) and, as I previously noted, are actually urging civilians to act as human shields against Israeli fire on Hamas strongholds. Indeed, they have enlisted the people of Gaza as part of their misinformation campaign in which they attempt to conceal the presence of missile launching or masked, armed Hamas fighters in civilian neighborhoods.

The arabs of Gaza love their women & children because without their dead or maimed bodies how would they draw sympathy or dollars from a gullible west.