The incest taboo can be destroyed only by destroying the nuclear family as the primary institution of the culture. The nuclear family is the school of values in a sexist, sexually repressed society.

Andrea Dworkin Woman hating 1974

Over the next few years you are going to be branded as bigots, hated and derided. You will be portrayed in every form of culture, plays, TV series and movies as people to be shunned and no member of the media fill fail to come after you for your offenses against the twin sacraments of Abortion & Gay Marriage.

DaTechGuy March 29th 2013

One of the most telling pieces I ever read came from Dave Weigel a few years ago:

Above, you’ll find a short video composed of the floor speeches some top Democrats made about SSM. At the time, Republicans wanted to block gay marriage in Massachusetts by amending the constitution with an official marriage definition. Democrats argued against that, but they didn’t argue in favor of gay marriage. They argued that DOMA made such an amendment unneccessary. They assured people like Rick Santorum that the slippery slope case for gay marriage was bogus.

The new Democratic advocates for SSM fall into two camps. The first consists of people who always liked the idea of this but worried about losing national elections. In his memoir, Democratic consultant Bob Shrum remembers John Kerry fretting that the Massachusetts Supreme Court had forced Democrats to talk about gay marriage before they were ready to. “Why couldn’t they just wait a year?” he asked Shrum, mournfully. The second camp consists of people who really do oppose the idea of gay people getting married. Republicans argued that this second camp was tiny, and that liberals were hiding behind it. They were right!

Now of course many of these same people are happy to argue that a person who thinks otherwise doesn’t deserve a job either as a fire chief or a tenured professor.

The ICK factor is moving, as I said seven years ago:

The Gay marriage movement has all the trimmings of both a pop fad and a political movement by a loud group of elite people with money and clout; no different than the eugenics movements in the last century. I suspect beyond the core set of true believers the support is actually very thin. It is what the “enlightened” and “right” type of people support to show how good and tolerant they are. It allows people to feel good about themselves without actually doing anything. It keep them safe from that most dreaded charge of bigotry. In short it is an exercise in narcissism.

This is why, in my opinion so much effort is being made to compel compliance because without such compulsion it will simply melt away.

But that’s not what I’m here to write about.

Three years ago a piece in Gawker defended those who desire sex with children, I noted how the argument mirrored those that were being made on gay marriage a few years back and said:

if I was a supporter of Gay Marriage with even the slightest knowledge of the history of the Gay Movement and I read the arguments in the Gawker article (you can almost hear the cry of “Bigot” to those would disagree with the author) I wouldn’t just be insulted, I’d be furious.

However no such argument came and the march of the ICK factor continued on unabated from teachers arguing for sex with students for the NYT just a few months back arguing for Pedophelia as a disorder and ending the exclusion of such people from the Americans with disability act

And even with the potential of a story involving the Royal family, Bill Clinton and underage girls,  the MSM hasn’t gone 24/7 on it as they did with Chris Christie and the closing of an exit off a highway.

What does all of this come down to?  Just this.

I submit and suggest that the lack of outrage here, just like in the Roman Polanski case, the Woody Allen case is because the media is quite aware of the scope of this within the ranks of the rich and powerful who support them with their campaign contribution and will stay as silent as possible.

And I further suggest that this is the same reason why, as Stacy McCain noted, Non Christian Clergy 

The liberal media generally ignore sex scandals unless they involve a Republican politician or a Catholic priest, so maybe you didn’t hear about Mohammad Abdullah Saleem, the Illinois imam who allegedly perpetrated “decades of assault and child sex abuse . . . within the community of Indian and Pakistani Muslim immigrants.”

Not only will our liberal media and democrats ignore these things I further predict that the same Democrats and liberals who pretended to be upset at the very idea that they supported Gay Marriage in 1995 will as soon as the culture allow will find creative and seemingly plausible reasons to argue for a change in how such cases are handled by the law, particularly if they get a chance to move the courts farther in that direction with another 4 to eight years in the White House.   Baring accident or infirmity I’m going to live to see this happen.

This prediction is going to insult a lot of people, but given the history of the last 30 years I can’t see how any rational person can conclude otherwise.

On the bright side If I live to see 90 I predict I’ll see all of this fall apart just as the eugenics movement died after a generation or two, and once this happens suddenly we’ll be told by those same people who led the charge that they were with us all the time.

Remember these words from eject eject eject

You see, I know something critical about this iceberg out in front of us, and that is this: that iceberg is hollow. It’s hollow.

Even the people who believe in it most strongly know it’s a lie. That’s why they have to lie to you about what they believe. They know, in their heart of hearts, that this philosophy has been the ruin of civilization in every one of the countless times it has been applied. They know – consciously or not – that in the last century alone their ideas have cost the lives of no less than 150 million people executed, or starved to death, to bring this paradise to earth.

 

Ick is just an argument about culture. It is the same argument that one would have heard concerning gay marriage less that 20 years ago.

DaTechGuy Richard Cohen Narcissist or Bigot 2008

Martin Rittenhome: Young man I sell over $14 million dollars a year worth of Geritol, Geritol, that’s the kind of businessman I am. That show twenty-one, cost me 3 1/2 million dollars year in and year out. Sales went up 50% when Van Doren was on. 50%! So the very idea that I was unaware of every detail or aspect of that show’s operation, well frankly it’s very insulting.

Quiz show 1994

 

Any smart advertiser will tell you the secret of establishing brand loyalty starts at an early age.  For example the Radio Shack Ad at the Superbowl is effective because it brought a bunch of faces that people remembered that they enjoyed from their youth.  If you want to animate a person bring them thoughts from their youth and watch them light up.

As the years go by a familiar label, a particular taste will trigger the pocketbook more even that quality.  The fact that humans are creatures of habit builds on this.

Bottom line if you want to get a generation to like, want or accept something you want to get them to be thinking it at an early age and you’ve likely got them for their entire life.

The same is true with cultural changes creating heroes and villains.  Change comes slow.  If you want to move the ball of the culture or values, you have to get the ideas into kids heads when they are young.  Get em while they’re young and you’ve got em.

Which brings us to a rather disturbing trend in the pornography industry that favors Woody Allen. Continue reading “Woody Allen to the Porn Industry…Faster Please (Content Warning)”

Finally, if all else fails, you can persuade him, in defiance of conscience, to continue the new acquaintance on the ground that he is, in some unspecified way, doing these people ‘good’ by the mere fact of drinking their cocktails and laughing at their jokes, and that to cease to do so would be ‘priggish’, ‘intolerant’, and (of course) ‘Puritanical’.

C.S. Lewis The Screwtape letters X

Sir Humphrey Appleton: All that the press and the people and their elected leaders want to know is who are the goodies and who are the baddies.

Sir Richard Wharton: The problem is that the interests of Brittain nearly always involve doing deals with people that the public think are the baddies…

Sir Humphrey Appleton:…and not helping the goodies occasionally when it doesn’t help us.

Yes Prime Minister: A Victory for Democracy 1985

I was reading Roger Simon’s account of the debate between Dinish D’Sousa & Bill Ayers in Dartmouth when I saw this description of Mr. Ayers

Back in the thirties, Stephen Vincent Benet wrote a famous story about Dartmouth’s most well known (with the possible exception of Dr. Seuss) graduate, Daniel Webster — The Devil and Daniel Webster.  In that story, the devil is not portrayed as a scary figure in horns and a tail but as a more refined gentleman, ”a soft-spoken, dark-dressed stranger,” who “drove up in a handsome buggy.”   That’s Bill Ayers these days.

It brought me to mind of one of the truths of the culture wars that has not changed, how popular culture shapes the ICK factor.

Back in the 30’s and all the way to the early 60’s in the movies & TV of old, it used to be the black hats vs the white hats.

You knew who the good guys were because they wore the white hats and the black guys had the black hats and perhaps mustaches. They let you know that it was good to marry the girl or honorable to fight and that GOD was a fine thing. That families had to stick together, people had to be self reliant and respect for parental authority mattered.

It short they promoted the judeo-christian culture that served the country so well.

While movies makers will tell you this no longer happens because they’ve “grown” or “matured” the actual fact is the movie and TV industry does exactly the same thing they did before on a regular basis, but promoting a different set of values more subtlety.

The idea is to cloak the cultural norms and mores that they wish to advance and those who practice them in a positive way, at best creating an acceptance of behavior that on its face would normally be unacceptable or at least create enough moral ambiguity among others to keep them from objecting too loudly. Can’t be judgmental you know.

On the opposite end other behaviors and social norms, particularly Christian ones are to be subjected to ridicule and promoters of such beliefs are invariably villains. The goal is to establishing any belief or behavior that resists the cultural changes that Hollywood wants as beyond the pale to the point where even them most trivial actions like say: speaking to a catholic group that promotes Catholic values as something not done by polite society.

That’s why in my mind the story of the attempt to Keep Dana Loesch off the View. and the open letter of Dylan Farrow are one and the same.  In both cases you have strong women ready to publicly advance a position diametrically opposed to the elites who now run Hollywood.

Dana Loesch is well spoken, confident and unafraid.  The act of her making the pro-2nd Amendment case to a group of low information voters who never hear a contrary view is dangerous to the left,   particularly as she is a person they might identify with.

There is the real possibility of her causing some of those women to say to themselves: “If this woman can say this and believe this and appear the view then maybe there’s nothing wrong with believing the same.”

Even worse for the left Dana Loesch might actually inspire the same courage she practices in standing up to these type in another. That for a group like media matters would be too terrible to contemplate, thus the Horns must go on Dana Loesch’s head and must stay there.

On the other side Woody Allen who like Roman Everyone wants to f— young girls! Polanski is a darling of the elites. It’s the reason why so many were willing to go over lines I thought they never would to defend him.

When he married his stepdaughter it was creepy enough but our celebrity culture did not reject him. Instead they, as they do, excuses the most outrages acts as almost comical the act of an eccentric fellow and it combined with our fear of being considered “puritanical” gave the public and the press leave to excuse and continue to celebrate Allen & those like him.

When, however, Dylan Farrow wrote this piece which closes thus:

What if it had been your child, Cate Blanchett? Louis CK? Alec Baldwin? What if it had been you, Emma Stone? Or you, Scarlett Johansson? You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?

Woody Allen is a living testament to the way our society fails the survivors of sexual assault and abuse.

So imagine your seven-year-old daughter being led into an attic by Woody Allen. Imagine she spends a lifetime stricken with nausea at the mention of his name. Imagine a world that celebrates her tormenter.

Are you imagining that? Now, what’s your favorite Woody Allen movie?

…that’s a problem.  It’s one thing for Cory Feldman to talk about Pedophiles in Hollywood without naming names, it’s quite another for a young woman to declare that a Hollywood giant and high priest of the cultural left has been fighting his own war on woman since before they coined the term  in the bible of the cultural left (the NYT).   Suddenly good feminists who would have no problem rejecting Allen if he was a Catholic priest or a republican pol are saying things like:

I hope they find resolution and piece.

Because to reject the Hollywood giant is to reject the culture he thrives in.

Even worse if Ms Farrow is allowed to make such statements and be judged credible, then what other silent voices might speak up?  Might this damage the most effective tools the cultural left has to advance their cause?

If the ICK factor is to be moved in the direction our cultural elites which for it to be the horns must not be allowed to find themselves affixed irreverently on the head of Woody Allen least they spread to others of his ilk in the eyes of the public.  They are to be reserved for Dana Loesch, Sarah Palin or even Mike Huckabee

This is why I believe that the culture wars need to be fought and as long as I have a voice in the great debate I intend to fight it.

Update: Allen denies and CT says it’s too late to press charges.

No big deal after all it’s not like he’s a Catholic priest or something

Update 2:  Clarified that the bible of the cultural left is the NYT

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One of the things we have seen with the Kaitlyn Hunt case that has really struck me is how the gay rights movement has been used as suckers by her family.

As more and more facts continue to come out and the reactions of Ms. Hunt’s defenders become more vitriolic to the point where her father is making copyright claims on her pictures ,any assertion by any person not 100% behind gay marriage is to be ignored and if you are in fact Gay and don’t support Kate Hunt you become an unperson:

A gay couple on the Treasure Coast is afraid to show their faces because they say they’ve been attacked personally for their opinions opposing Kaitlyn Hunt. They fear backlash from the “Free Kate” campaign that is 52,000 members strong on Facebook as of Tuesday night.

“I’ve already been vilified for my opinion on social media.”

But this isn’t a low profile gay couple, up until a few days ago, both men held high ranking positions in a Treasure Coast LGBT advocacy group.

It all seems like something  is happening that I warned the Gay Community about back in September of last year.

That post concerned this article at Gawker on normalizing pedophilia.  The arguments  looked really familiar to me.

As you know I’m an opponent of Gay Marriage and would support a constitutional amendment to define marriage as one man one woman, but I’ll tell you this, if I was a supporter of Gay Marriage with even the slightest knowledge of the history of the Gay Movement and I read the arguments in the Gawker article (you can almost hear the cry of “Bigot” to those would disagree with the author) I wouldn’t just be insulted, I’d be furious.

I suggested the gay movement get in front of this business fast to head it off and not be associated with such a movement but as the game plan of the #freekate people becomes more plain it seems exactly the opposite is going on.  We are starting to see people using this as a “bigotry litmus test” and no amount of information to the contrary will be accepted.

This is already a trap that apparently with the exception of a few people such as Joan McCarter the left and their media allies foolishly didn’t avoid as Stacy McCain put it:

“To say that liberal media coverage of Hunt has been ‘favorable’ is to say that the Sistine Chapel ceiling depicts a favorable image of God.”

And that’s really what it’s about, y’know? Who gives a crap about a commonplace criminal procedure in Indian River County, Florida?

But the media said everybody should care about it: The Today show actually portrayed an accused sex offender as a sympathetic victim!

What was the name of the producer who approved that, huh? I would like that person to explain the half-assed background research that led them to believe that Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt (Booking #2013-00000708) was a plausible civil-rights martyr.

and that support isn’t confined to media

That kind of high-powered public-relations blitz is not cheap and does not happen by accident. Hunt’s supporters include the American Civil Liberties Union and the gay-rights group Equality Florida — the latter organization led by Nadine Smith, who met privately with President Obama two years ago — as well as the 501(c)3 non-profit Purpose Foundation, which receives funding through such philanthropic giants as the Ford Foundation.

And if these traps weren’t bad enough, with  June 1st coming the #FreeKate movement is in a position to set the biggest trap of all under 100 miles and 100 minutes away from the School where it all took place.

For those of you who don’t know June 1st annually is Gay Day at Disney World Florida and apparently has been for over two decades:

“Homosexuals will be celebrating the 23rd anniversary of Gay Day wearing matching Gay Day merchandise, such as T-shirts,” the One Million Moms website reads. “There will also be transvestites dressed in drag showing their support for the event.”

And for those who think it’s just a day where Gay people can enjoy the park in solidarity it appears it might be a little more …interesting:

I can’t help but think of, and feel sorry for – the unsuspecting family who saved for years for a once in a lifetime trip – only to arrive and find that Disney had in fact, been invaded by he-women and shaved down muscle boys. By itself that would not be a problem, but the sheer number of people who seem to go out of their way to rub their sexuality in everyones face during this ‘event’ is nothing short of disgraceful…

… I don’t like it when I hear pompous windbags telling me I’m going to burn in hell for being gay, and I’m sure most of the free world would appreciate a visit to Disney World that did not include the vision of grown men in go-go shorts, and ads for lubricant prominently displayed throughout the host hotel. Oh, and while we’re on the subject of ‘image’ at the host hotel (this year it was the Sheraton World on International Drive)– the line of beer trucks outside the resort was a nice touch, and the liquor kiosks and condom ads every 5 feet will certainly not further the image of us as a bunch of drunken sex fiends.

our proudly gay 42 year old man goes on.

It is widely known throughout the gay community in Orlando that if you want good drugs and great sex, the first week of June is a great time to visit. So much so, that the Orange County Sheriff’s office found it necessary to station deputies and drug sniffing dogs in the lobby of the host hotel. And before the oppression chorus starts warming up, just get real – we all know that it goes on in droves during gay week – and it’s not ‘oppression’ if it’s justified. I don’t mean to imply that every person attending gay days is a drug crazed lunatic – the vast majority are not – but no one in the gay community can deny how pervasive this problem is, and the problem travels with us.

Now given that clientele and event and more importantly given this map with Disney under 100 miles and 100 minutes away…


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…I would bet real money that the Hunt family will decide this is the perfect day to pack up the family and head to Disney World.

And therein lies the trap.

The Hunt family’s efforts have been hampered by the release of facts, facts which show not a person persecuted due to sexual orientation but an indulged young lady pursuing a very underage girl after repeated attempts by her parents to warn her off, that story has been slowing getting out online but what if they find an audience that hasn’t heard that side of the story?

Picture it, what do you think will happen if the young Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt and her parents come to Disney world and tell the story of the struggle of their young blond attractive 18-year-old girl who, according to the Media, activists and her supporters is being persecuted by the family of her lover simply because she is a lesbian to the crowd Pete Werner is describing?

They will hoist the entire family on their shoulders, and open up their wallets.

As of the moment of this writing the Free Kate site has raised what, $24,000? You get them down to Disney on June 1st with a smart phone and a credit card reader and it will be the most money a phony blond has raised since Tina Brown talked people into buying Newsweek for her.

It will be great news for the Hunt family, it will be great news for the Free Katie Crowd.

But for the Gay Community that is starting to win more and more votes and arguments the whole Kaitlyn Hunt = Rosa Parks business simply makes them pawns not only in the Hunt’s family quest to avoid any consequences for her daughter but for the same crowd that has looked at the reactions to that Gawker piece with great interest.

You have been warned.

Update This guy nails it:

If the #FreeKate movement wants all LGBT persons to be treated equally, that equality isn’t just limited to legal privileges. Legal responsibilities are just as important, and that includes punishments for the commission of crimes.

In this case, true LGBT equality under the law would ensure Kate sees her day in court.

Does the LGBT movement want equality or power? That is the question and this case will provide the answer.

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But… f—ing, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f— young girls. Juries want to f— young girls. Everyone wants to f— young girls!”

Roman Polanski to Martin Amis 1979

First there was the defense of Polanski and the media hesitated

Then there were the psychiatrists advocating pedophilia as a sexual orientation and the media ignored it

then there was the the articles defending Donkey Sex

And advocating for Polygamy in the Guardian

And now we have come to this:

The case involves Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt, an 18-year-old in Sebastian, Florida, who was arrested in February after admitting that she had a lesbian affair with a 14-year high-school freshman. (Click here to read the affidavit in Hunt’s arrest.) It is a felony in Florida to have sex with 14-year-olds. Hunt was expelled from Sebastian High School — where she and the younger girl had sex in a restroom stall — and charged with two counts of “felony lewd and lascivious battery on a child.” The charges could put Hunt in prison for up to 15 years. Prosecutors have offered Hunt a plea bargain that would spare her jail time, but her supporters have organized an online crusade to have her let off scot-free — in effect, nullifying Florida’s law, which sets the age of consent at 16.

Yes you read that right

Using the slogan “Stop the Hate, Free Kate” (the Twitter hashtag is #FreeKate) this social-media campaign has attracted the support of liberals including Chris Hayes of MSNBC, Daily Kos, Think Progress and the gay-rights group Equality Florida. Undoubtedly, part of the appeal of the case is that Hunt is a petite attractive green-eyed blonde. One critic wondered on Twitter how long activists have “been waiting for a properly photogenic poster child of the correct gender to come along?”

Yes those are sites on the left, and an actual TV prime time television show making the case that if anyone objects to an adult having sex with a 14 year old they are simply haters, but as Stacy McCain points out:

let me remind you sick freaks that if you were to download photos or videos of what Kaitlyn Hunt is charged with doing to a 14-year-old girl, that would be a federal crime.

Yes a federal crime like this one:

A Fitchburg man was sentenced today in U.S. District Court in Worcester for possessing child pornography.

Roy Parry, 49, was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Timothy S. Hillman to 10 years in prison, followed by 10 years of supervised release. In January 2013, Parry pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography.

Now I’m sure that MSNBC agrees with this verdict and that confuses me.  I don’t see MSNBC rushing to promote a “free Roy” site.  Why would ten years be a proper sentence for downloading the image of what Katie did be just but the actual acts of Ms. Hunt be worthy of a national campaign on a Comcast Owned network?

Because it was “a consensual, same-sex relationship,” that’s why!

 

Now we have the anchor of a national cable network defending it. Then again it’s not like the Today show is portraying this sympathetically too..

Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

This has only taken five years and it is going to get a lot worse before it’s better.

Oh and the parents of the 14 year old, they’re now targets.

Closing thought, Now that apparently underage sex is socially acceptable if you work for MSNBC (and apparently it’s owner Comcast) perhaps the Boy Scouts will remove the section of their mandatory training manual on now that the Boy Scouts have hanged their rules will they have to change this manual too, specifically page 7?

Sexual Molestation by Peers

Approximately one-third of sexual molestation occurs at the hands of other children. If your child tells you about club initiations in which sexual activity is included, or if your child tells you about inappropriate or tricked, pressured, or forced sexual activity by other children, this is a form of sexual abuse and you need to take steps to stop the activity. This kind of sexual misconduct is serious and should not be ignored.

Apparently there are 140,000 people who signed a petition who would say otherwise and some of them are primetime hosts on a network owned by Comcast.

Update: Stacy McCain reports that, advice from the Today Show not withstanding Kaitlyn Hunt has turned down the plea bargain

Kaitlyn Hunt, the Florida 18-year-old who admitted a sexual affair with a 14-year-old girl, has rejected a plea-bargain offer from prosecutors in Indian River County and will face trial June 20 on charges of lewd and lascivious batter

I have a funny feeling the 140k petition signers and the knowledge that win or lose she as the face of a cause célèbre with all the think tank and speaking circuit implications thereof was the driving force behind this roll of the dice.

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Beverley:   Oh, that is fascinating. I’m noticing an immediate lowering of my inhibitions. For example, I’m seriously considering asking that busboy to ravish me in the alleyway while I eat cheesecake. What do you think?

Penny:   Well, we are known for our cheesecake.

The Big Bang Theory The Maternal Congruence 2009

John Adams (sung): Mr. Jefferson, dear Mr. Jefferson, I’m only 41 I still have my virility. And I can romp through Cupid’s grove with great agility, but life is more than sexual combustibility.

Song “But Mr. Adams” 1776 (1972)

Both Viral Read and Stacy McCain have written about Elizabeth Leigh Garner the 42 former Tennessee Titans cheerleader and her arrest for drunken advances on a twelve-year-old boy.

Stacy has already addressed the “Where were these sexually aggressive NFL cheerleaders back when I was an adolescent fantasizing about them?” meme but there is another cultural change factor that absolutely gobsmacks me when I see this story.

It is axiomatic that a NFL cheerleader is going to be attractive and sexually desirable and Ms Garner while 42 is only four years removed from her NFL cheerleading days. It is as Stacy would put it a neutral objective fact (I’m an old married man, not dead) that she is a good looking woman and would be sexually desirable to most men.

It is also axiomatic that men seek and desire sex to the point of idiocy as Mark “I would rather get laid than be president” Sanford proved four years ago. His namesake Mr. Twain put it best:

Of the delights of this world, man cares most for sexual intercourse. He will go to any length for it-risk fortune, character, reputation, life itself

And therein lies my confusion.

You have a clearly attractive and sexually desirable woman, you have a vast male population that desires sex living in a culture that promotes sex, advertises sex and pushes sex to the point where an alien coming to this planet would think we do nothing else with our time.

Additionally you have cultural norms that have shifted in my lifetime from: “Sex belongs in marriage.”, to “If you object to a Married Man getting a BJ from an intern 20 years younger in the White House you’re a prude.”, to the March 21, 2013 edition of the NY post article titled:

I slept with everyone (and it led to true love) Forget about playing hard to get. Ophira Eisenberg says she had as much sex as she liked – and still found the man of her dreams

Given these facts I suggest the odds of Elisabeth Leigh Garner being unable to find any desired combination of men or women aged 22 to 62 to satisfy her sexually at any time are less than the odds of the 1962 Mets sweeping a four game set from the 1998 Yankees.

I’d go a step further, given the odd acceptance of prostitution and paid sexual favors on a high level these days, if she was willing to move to Nevada people would not only pay thousands of dollars for a chance to be one or more of Ms. Garner’s sexual partners but she might even get an HBO or Showtime special willing to pay her to film it happen.

Yet given all of these possibilities her sexual partner of choice, drink not withstanding, was a 12-year-old boy. What does that say about our culture?

Well one thing it says is Eliabeth Leigh Garner really liked Nicole Kidman in “Birth“:

The award for Most Unsettling, however, must go to 2004’s “Birth,” where Academy Award winner Nicole Kidman stars as a widow convinced her dead husband has returned in the form of a 10 year-old boy. If watching a near-forty year-old woman exchange longing looks with a little kid isn’t creepy enough, wait till they end up naked in a bathtub together.

This is how far we have come, or dropped as a society; from a point where the desire for sex by men was motivation to achieve in order to attract a wife to where women in the top tiers of sexual desirability are checking out pre-teens to satisfy their sexual needs.

I suspect it will be half a century or more before demographics and reality catches up with us enough to return to sanity, It’s doubtful either I or my sons will live to see that day.

I DO expect to live to see the day when the ICK factor shifts to the point where Ms. Garner’s behavior will be considered just another sexual orientation and those who object to it will be considered bigots worthy of scorn.

Opus: Penguin lust is not Immoral and Wicked and anyone who says so is an old prude. It’s beautiful and natural, and I for one fully support penguin lust.

Phil Donohue: That’s great, caller, but today’s topic is “Nun Beating.”

Opus: Good Lord, man, I can’t support that!

Bloom County

One of the first pieces long pieces I wrote as a blogger  was a critique of Gay Marriage and Richard Cohen attack on Rick Warren:

I will go as far as to say that it would have been an impossibility to have a clergyman who publicly SUPPORTED gay marriage give the invocation before the year 2000 and in 2004 if John Kerry had won it would have been an incredibly controversial decision.

But 8 years later the word “bigot” is thrown around at all who dare say otherwise.

3 years later came this story from the daily caller

If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)

and I asked this question:

My point? I’m not surprised one bit and nor should anyone who has been paying attention over the last 3-4 decades. The question is will this be the final trigger for the latest Great Awakening or in the final decline of American/Western society?

Four months ago came (and nine months after Rick Santorum said it was coming came the Polygamy argument out of the Guardian and the marriage of three people:

Why shouldn’t three people get married?

As three Brazilians are legally joined as a ‘thruple’ it starts to look illiberal to insist that marriage must be between two people

and I said:

That this is advanced in the Guardian is interesting, even more interesting is the comments, tons of people agreeing after all one does not want to be “Judgmental.”

Now we have this in Salon:

A legal defense of donkey sex
A man accused of feeling up a farm animal argues an anti-bestiality law is unconstitutional. Does he have a point?
By Tracy Clark-Flory

With apologies to easily offended readers, this story brings new meaning to the word “jackass” but I’ll say this for Tracy Clark-Flory, she didn’t wait 32 years into her journalistic career to jump on board a movement after it became popular.

Lisa Graas is not amused:

It is not Rick Santorum who came up with the idea that “gay rights” would lead to the acceptance of bestiality. The slippery slope of immorality leading to more and more immorality is just a fact of human nature. It surprises no one who is educated about human nature in the conservative (Aquinas) tradition that Salon is now defending bestiality just as it surprised no one in the pro-life movement that Jack Kevorkian ended up with his day in the sun in the aftermath of Roe v. Wade. Though assisted suicide has not taken hold, “passive euthanasia” is common practice now in hospitals. The slippery slope is real.

That we have reached a point where a major online publication feels comfortable with this speaks volumes, because it tells people it’s OK to think about it, that there is a legitimate debate. It is the same dynamic as the Gay Marriage argument:

I suspect beyond the core set of true believers the support is actually very thin. It is what the “enlightened” and “right” type of people support to show how good and tolerant they are. It allows people to feel good about themselves without actually doing anything. It keep them safe from that most dreaded charge of bigotry. In short it is an exercise in narcissism.

This principle is going to continue to be used on all types of things that just a few years ago people would have been ashamed to advance, but it makes sense. After all it’s a lot easier to re-define what is acceptable behavior than actually changing behavior your behavior.

And PLEASE don’t give me the “ick” factor argument about these other things being accepted. Ick is just an argument about culture. It is the same argument that one would have heard concerning gay marriage less that 20 years ago. It is particularly galling when gay people are subject to state sponsored murder in places like Iran and ick is invoked beside Islam.

And once the ICK factor moves the definition of acceptable will move as well and then Opus the Penguin will find his opposition to “Nun Beating” doesn’t makes him a prude, it will make him a bigot.

It takes courage to stand up to this, I suspect that is why the left considers faithful Christianity in general and faithful Catholicism in particular its greatest obstacle and enemy. For it provides to the courage to stand up and say “Enough!”

Wasn’t it only 48 hours ago that I wrote this?

I submit that in a generation, when both all the parents and the children and the teachers have had access to the web links I’ve shown above the ICK factor will have shifted and you will have not a principal apologizing for an incestual pep rally we will instead have radio hosts excoriating the Star Tribune for reporting on it and calling those who object puritanical and intolerant.

And now Stacy McCain links to this story

A new study has found that one in 13 girls aged 14 to 20 have engaged in ‘multi-person sex’ (MPS).

A total of 328 girls who had visited health clinics in Boston, U.S, took part in the study and 7.3 per cent of them said they had group sex.

This must have been what Barney Frank was complaining about when he talked about Republicans getting into people’s bedrooms on ABC this weekend. After all who are we to say if our daughters are doing it with a bunch of guys?

The next line is the story is classic:

Worryingly, among the girls in that group, 45 per cent said at least one male participant had not used a condom.

Because we all know that there is nothing wrong if the average age of girls having group sex with guys is 15.6 as long as all the guys have a rubber on.

You know I thought the sexual revolution was all about empowering women? I might suggest that it is not the girls getting empowered around here. (I can’t wait to see what Roxeanne has to say about this.)

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On a non-religious level it seems to me you can not rationally say that gay marriage is ok and should be legal without also allowing either polygamy and incest between consenting adults. Both have a longer and more accepted cultural history worldwide.

And PLEASE don’t give me the “ick” factor argument about these other things being accepted. Ick is just an argument about culture. It is the same argument that one would have heard concerning gay marriage less that 20 years ago.

  DaTechGuy: Dec 23rd 2008 Richard Cohen, Narcissist or Bigot

That was another little goof of mine, shame. I don’t know why I thought we needed shame

George Burns as God.  Oh God 1977

Without God everything is  permitted

Fyodor Dostoevsky

On Friday the Star Tribune published a story concerning a prank at a high school rally that was …”interesting”:

A prank on some blindfolded Rosemount High School athletes — they were unknowingly and at times amorously kissed by their parents during a recent pep fest — is collecting YouTube views by the tens of thousands and has the principal apologizing for what happened.

Here’s how the practical joke, originated by school staff members, played out during the assembly on Dec. 8:

The captains of the school’s winter sports teams — boys and girls — were lined up and blindfolded. They were told they would be kissed and then asked to guess who was on the other side of their lips.

Some of the parents during the 59-second YouTube video are seen holding the kisses for several seconds, cupping their child’s faces or embracing and swaying.

Deacon Greg is nauseated, The Anchoress is shocked.

I’d like to say I’m surprised but I’m not. I’ve been paying attention. It’s been just one year since the Swiss started talking the repeal of incest laws. It is only four months since psychologists met in DC to discuss “normalizing” pedophilia as a mental illness.

I think they both missed the most important line of the piece (all emphasis mine):

“There is no question that people were offended,” Wollersheim told the Star Tribune. “I apologize to those who were offended, and we won’t do it again.

“Anything that happens at this school is the principal’s responsibility. I take full responsibility. … There shouldn’t be an event in a school that we offend people with.

Note what is said. He is sorry that people were offended. Not that it was wrong, not that it was creepy, but that people were offended.

The implication that if people were NOT offended it would have been OK.

That more than anything else is the take away here, if it wasn’t for those puritanical prudes who were offended this would be no big deal and we could all have our fun.

The above can stand on it’s own but I’m about to make a VERY uncomfortable point, if you don’t want to see it then don’t click the continue button

Update: Wouldn’t you know that just as I finish this post I’ve worked hours on to schedule for tonight Darleen Click uses the Ick Factor line in a great post at Protein Wisdom!

Update 2: That’s Click not Glick, my bad, thanks Joy.

Update 3: Stacy at Accepting Abundance links quoting applicable law.
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Lisa Graas has links to a story at the Daily Caller that has to be read to be believed:

If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)

Lisa as you might guess is not amused and says this in part:

The collective conscience of a society is not, by itself, a “standard”. Rather, it is “mob rule” that has no basis in any standard.

Or as I have called it often here, the ICK factor.

I first mentioned the ICK factor in the early days of the blog in an attack on Richard Cohen :

And PLEASE don’t give me the “ick” factor argument about these other things being accepted. Ick is just an argument about culture. It is the same argument that one would have heard concerning gay marriage less that 20 years ago.

Then came the Polanski case:

If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… f—ing, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f— young girls. Juries want to f— young girls. Everyone wants to f— young girls!”

…This is all about trying to normalize behavior by an elite group of people who do not want to be judged.

We then saw the press reaction to Polanski:

in Hollywood I am not sure a 13-year-old is really a 13-year-old. Here I thought I was making an Ironic Joke and the Washington Post shows otherwise…

…Will the last blogger out the door pick up Patterico’s jaw from the floor?

Followed by John Nolte talking about how Hollywood works:

And this is how cinematic propaganda works. Whether the filmmaker’s motivations are good or evil, the idea is to get decent and thoughtful people to start second guessing themselves as they’re enveloped in the dark and held captive by the powerful sound and fury of the moving picture. First we’re led to identify and sympathize with a particular character, then that character does something designed to challenge our belief structure. This can range from, “If John Wayne opposes racism, maybe I should,” to, “Well, if a loving mother is okay with it, maybe I need to get a little more nuanced and tolerant about this whole child-rape thing.”

On its face, that may sound laughable, and maybe it is, but that doesn’t mean our eyes are lying to us. Last year merely topped off a campaign targeted at our children that began some time ago.

In that post I didn’t include his examples, but in this post I will.

In 2006’s “Notes on a Scandal,” Academy Award winner Cate Blanchett plays a school teacher engaged in a steamy sexual affair with one of her students. Like “The Reader,” the sex scenes between a mature woman and her student strive for the erotic and never once does the story stop to examine how such a destructive affair might psychologically affect a teen-aged boy. That same year, in “Little Children,” Jackie Earle Haley was Oscar-nominated for his support work as a molester just released from prison who’s the victim of that favorite Hollywood whipping boy, suburban hypocrisy. Just two years earlier, Kevin Bacon’s heroic molester in “The Woodsman” not only saves the day and wins the pretty girl, but in his valiant struggle to “reform” he’s presented as a kind of “civil rights” metaphor as policemen and “intolerant” co-workers torment him.

The award for Most Unsettling, however, must go to 2004’s “Birth,” where Academy Award winner Nicole Kidman stars as a widow convinced her dead husband has returned in the form of a 10 year-old boy. If watching a near-forty year-old woman exchange longing looks with a little kid isn’t creepy enough, wait till they end up naked in a bathtub together.

And now we see yet another attempt to move the ICK factor goal posts by the elites of the nation:

Researchers from Harvard University, the Johns Hopkins University, the University of Louisville, and the University of Illinois will be among the panelists at the conference.

My point? I’m not surprised one bit and nor should anyone who has been paying attention over the last 3-4 decades. The question is will this be the final trigger for the latest Great Awakening or in the final decline of American/Western society?

I tend to be an optimist and I believe we will see the former over the latter.

Update: I’m surprised that the conference has not gotten much media coverage, and neither has this:

“I can tell you that the No. 1 problem in Hollywood was and is and always will be pedophilia. That’s the biggest problem for children in this industry. … It’s the big secret,” Feldman said.

The “casting couch,” which is the old Hollywood reference to actors being expected to offer sex for roles, applied to children, Feldman said. “Oh, yeah. Not in the same way. It’s all done under the radar,” he said.

“I was surrounded by [pedophiles] when I was 14 years old. … Didn’t even know it. It wasn’t until I was old enough to realize what they were and what they wanted … till I went, Oh, my God. They were everywhere,” Feldman, 40, said.

Now I’d think this would be a pretty big story, wouldn’t you, yet it is going nowhere. Why? Dave Piere has one answer

So here is a claim of massive abuse and cover-ups happening in Hollywood. Where is the major media on this?

Nearly a week after the episode aired, the response to Feldman’s alarming claims has been almost non-existent in the major media. While the Boston Globe and the New York Times have hyperventilated over decades-old allegations of abuse by Catholic priests (many of which were all-too-true), neither paper dedicated even a drop of ink to Feldman’s shocker.

Could it be that major media folks do not wish to dig too deep into this story and upset one of their largest sources of income?

But the Catholic League has the right answer:

So we have professionals who seek to normalize pedophilia, and a Hollywood milieu in which it thrives, and few seem to care. In other words, when the secular elite promote, or otherwise engage in, child molestation, it really doesn’t matter. It only matters if the sicko is Fr. Murphy.

That’s pretty much it.

Via the AP and headlines at HotAir yet another twist to the Polanski saga:

Mitterrand’s 2005 book, “La mauvaise vie” or “The Bad Life,” describes painful periods in his childhood and his homosexuality. One passage describes his “bad habit of paying for boys” in Thailand. Mitterrand later denied he was a pedophile, saying on France-3 television that he uses the term “boys” loosely.

Mitterrand was a television personality when the book came out but not in the government. President Nicolas Sarkozy named Mitterrand culture minister in June this year.

Concern about the book resurfaced in French political circles after Mitterrand’s impassioned defense of Roman Polanski last week. The director was arrested in Switzerland on U.S. charges of having sex with a 13-year-old girl in 1977 in Los Angeles.

Oh it’s a bad habit well that’s different, that certainly drops the Ick Factor, I’m Sure Tom Shales will think so too.

Then again if we could only get Hollywood to treat this bad habit like smoking then we might see change.

I’m with John Noltie it’s all about moving the ick goalposts:

And this is how cinematic propaganda works. Whether the filmmaker’s motivations are good or evil, the idea is to get decent and thoughtful people to start second guessing themselves as they’re enveloped in the dark and held captive by the powerful sound and fury of the moving picture. First we’re led to identify and sympathize with a particular character, then that character does something designed to challenge our belief structure. This can range from, “If John Wayne opposes racism, maybe I should,” to, “Well, if a loving mother is okay with it, maybe I need to get a little more nuanced and tolerant about this whole child-rape thing.”

On its face, that may sound laughable, and maybe it is, but that doesn’t mean our eyes are lying to us. Last year merely topped off a campaign targeted at our children that began some time ago.

It is my opinion that the culture wars in general and the war on Christianity in particular is all about legitimizing sin and removing guilt from it. Once it becomes unacceptable to call sin “sin” then everything changes. That way this case matters; it exposes in sharp relief the contradictions that this involves, and we will as a culture have a choice to make. Is this unacceptable or a bad habit?

Update: Of course some uses of the Ick factor are simply brilliant.

Update 2: Don Surber notices

Hey, maybe there is an opening in the Obama administration. Consider the safe schools czar.

This telegram story says a lot deletion of the ick factor.

I reread an extraordinary interview Polanski gave to the novelist Martin Amis in 1979, the year after Polanski went on the run.

The interview originally appeared in Tatler and is collected in Amis’s excellent book Visiting Mrs Nabokov.

Here’s a section of the first quote it contains from Polanski.

“If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… f—ing, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f— young girls. Juries want to f— young girls. Everyone wants to f— young girls!”

I have always maintained that the war on Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular is all about justifying one’s own sins. Andrew Sullivan doesn’t leave the Church for one that accepts gay marriage because deep down as a Catholic he still has the grace to KNOW what sin is and needs to have it justified by the Church.

This is all about trying to normalize behavior by an elite group of people who do not want to be judged.

“But DaTechGuy how can you possibly suggest this could happen?” Let me remind you of a post back near the start of my blogging days here:

Personally on a religious level I can’t support gay marriage but this is not a valid argument for a non-religious person. On a non-religious level it seems to me you can not rationally say that gay marriage is ok and should be legal without also allowing either polygamy and incest between consenting adults. Both have a longer and more accepted cultural history worldwide.

And PLEASE don’t give me the “ick” factor argument about these other things being accepted. Ick is just an argument about culture. It is the same argument that one would have heard concerning gay marriage less that 20 years ago.

Anyone familiar with the vast cultural change promulgated over the last decade and a half can’t be surprised by the elites reaction to the Polanski stuff without considerable idiocy. After all:

The idea that when you can’t always live up to your values you drop the values is the path of the coward and the fool. As the saying goes:

“Christianity has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found difficult and left untried.”

I’m sure the author would like to leave it untried. A lot easier to do what you want when there are no rules, isn’t it?

It’s all about allowing the sin. And nobody described sin better than Warren in his interview with Curry last year:

Mark my words this case and the elites reaction to it and the media’s reaction to the elites will be either a turning point or a breaking point in the culture wars, and No I’m not surprised we have reached this point, I just didn’t think it would happen this fast.

Update: Mark Stein on the Polanski comment:

What’s that from? The Mullah Omar Guide To Healthy Relationships? Personally, I prefer ’em a little older than 13, but no doubt that explains why I’m not as “grown-up” (in Polanski’s word) about this as his pals.

More interestingly how many of the people on the list that signed are women under the age of 21? That would be an interesting stat.

Update 2 Michelle and Driscoll comment. This is going to explode in a lot of people’s faces.

Special UPDATE: With the return of Gay Marriage as a big issue I’m bumping this post from my first month of blogging to the top. I think the points within concerning Gay Marriage are just as valid two years later and as the blog was only a month old it got very little play. So I present my blast from the past, my very first post on the subject of Gay Marriage.

I’m am constantly amazed at the lack of memory in this country, it might have to do with the lack of knowledge of history in this country. As evidence I quote Richard Cohen today:
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