Does anyone else remember back in the days of NH where despite his unchallenged talents as a father we concluded that Jon Huntsman’s by his appearances on Colbert or on this Week:

Let’s make it clear, Jon Huntsman is not running for the Republican nomination for president. He is running for a permanent place as the “goto former GOP presidential candidate” on every MSM show during the general election and beyond.

You will never go broke or lack face time on national television as a member of the GOP willing to hit republicans in general and the right in particular. Glenn Reynolds put it best:

Or Stacy McCain’s comments on him:

Huntsman was always every liberal’s favorite GOP candidate — the folks on MSNBC loved him — and that was demonstrated conclusively last week:

According to exit polls, Huntsman only won a handful of demographics in New Hampshire: Democrats, those who oppose the Tea Party, and voters who are generally satisfied with the Obama administration.

Well much to the surprise of nobody expect perhaps Doug Mataconis comes this news:

According to very credible sources, Huntsman has accepted a speaking slot at the Democrat convention in Charlotte next month.

and apparently he isn’t going alone

If the information is accurate, it does provide a telling context for Jon Huntsman Sr.’s out-of-the-blue attack today on Mitt Romney’s taxes and rumors that he is the “source” for Harry Reid’s wild allegation over those taxes. And let’s not forget that one of Huntsman’s daughters recently announced that she would switch to the Democrat party.

I presume if true he will be un-endorsing Romney and Endorsing Obama.

It’s an amazing sequence:

1. Create a faux republican as a candidate to try to pull Romney left

2. Create a faux image of said candidate as credible push him as a real contender in a state where democrats can vote in the GOP primary

3. Create a faux scandal concerning Mitt Romney’s taxes, taxes that the IRS has seen, taxes that nobody is calming.

4. Have said faux candidate condemn Romney over said scandal

5. Use said scandal to get speaking spot at the convention that no democrat in a tough race wants to appear at.

And if the con isn’t enough to pull down Romney then he can still be the goto “Republican” to critique the new president for the next four years.

All that’s let is for him to reveal dark secrets of Mormonism and the transformation will be complete.

Last thought, if John Huntsman is the best card the Obama campaign has, they’re worse off then I thought.

Update: Two Huntsman daughters are denying the speaking business, it would be nicer if it was the man himself, but I’ll take the ladies at their word. Are they also denying the report that he’s calling for Mitt to release more tax returns too, saying Romney:

“won’t be fair with the American people,”

Just asking.


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Let’s make it clear, Jon Huntsman is not running for the Republican nomination for president. He is running for a permanent place as the “goto former GOP presidential candidate” on every MSM show during the general election and beyond.

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I didn’t get into my house from Blogcon Charlotte until after 7 p.m. so I didn’t hear about this story from Buzzfeed until this morning:

Former Republican candidate Jon Huntsman took a battle axe to his own party, comparing it to China’s Communist Party and criticizing it’s standard bearer in a wide-ranging interview at the 92nd Street Y Sunday night.

Stacy McCain who was not at blogcon but is undoubtedly preparing for my proposed From Reporter to Blogger session for next year did see it and promptly posted this:

One might call Jon Huntsman a “useful idiot,” but this would immediately prompt the question, “What actual use did he serve?” He never had any “path to the nomination,” and his faux campaign existed only to garner glowing coverage from the liberal media, to hog up time in televised debates, and to enrich the ruthless campaign consultants who somehow managed to convince him he had a chance.

So here we are in April, three months after he endorsed Romney and pleaded for “party unity,” and Chumpsman is publicly trashing the GOP? Once more we must ask: “What the f–k was that all about?”

Stacy Stacy Stacy, what it was all about is what it was always all about for the MSM:   having a person with the title “Former GOP presidential candidate” before his name available to trash the GOP on cable television. He is to be what Dede Scozzafava was meant to be for the MSM if she won in NY:

The moment Dede votes with Pelosi that bill becomes “bi-partisan” by definition. The fact that it is only one republican will make no difference, the MSM will trumpet it as “bi-partisan”. When ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBCBET wants to talk to a republican on an issue SHE will be the one they call. She will become the face of the republican party that will be pushed and lionized. She will be the reason why “conservatives need to back off”.

The reality of all of these things will not matter, the media will push them as if it was true

That is and has from the start been why the Jon Huntsman candidacy took place. The MSM pushed (tricked?) him into the race, and lionized him for hitting his party (particularly social conservatives) they promoted him at every turn and included him in debates when he didn’t even meet their own criteria. Despite a “I’m a conservative” ad blitz the people who actually voted for him in NHwere Obama voters It was no accident that after his 3rd place in NH he ran to the left for fundraising.

That alone would seem to be a reason not to have him at a GOP fundraiser but there was a specific breaking point as Buzzfeed reports:

Huntsman, the former Utah governor and once President Barack Obama’s Ambassador to China, expressed disappointment that the Republican Party disinvited him from a Florida fundraiser in March after he publicly called for a third party.

And that prompted his “GOP=China” response.

Morning Joe pumped his line in the 6 p.m. hour and in the 8 p.m. hour and had Huntsman on live to be sure that no matter what hour you tuned into the show, you would get the full “Jon Huntsman hits the GOP” experience or as I put it: The GOP would be a great party if it wasn’t for all those damn republicans…

I’m an advocate of open primaries I think we have to do away with these exclusionary conventions and caucuses

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You know our national elections would be a lot less exclusionary if we let all foreigners living abroad vote too, for that matter MSNBC lineup would be more inclusive if they allowed the general public by vote to decide who gets a show and who doesn’t.

What Jon Huntsman forgets that the GOP was formed as an anti-slavery party, if you choose to join the GOP in 1856 you understood this was the case. Today the party stands for things, lower taxes, smaller government it also strongly opposes abortion. A party is not just a club remember the words of Grover Cleveland:

What’s the use of being elected or re-elected if you don’t stand for something?

If your only priority is power then it’s a different story. So as long as Huntsman is hitting the GOP he serves the purpose of the left and have a MSM platform available to him.

That’s what is going on, nothing more or less.

Word is that Jon Huntsman is pulling out of the race to endorse Mitt Romney today. I saw this re-tweet my Melissa Clouthier on the subject:

Ya think? The meme of Dede Scozzafava Jon Huntsman: candidate of the MSM. Has been out there for quite a while:

Let’s make it clear, Jon Huntsman is not running for the Republican nomination for president. He is running for a permanent place as the “goto former GOP presidential candidate” on every MSM show during the general election and beyond.

Remember back in October when he talked about his Colbert appearance:

Colbert is not even a pretend republican. His whole shtick is being what liberals think republicans and conservatives are.

As I’ve said before, Jon Huntsman is running to be the goto republican on ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC to critique the GOP after 2012.

now Colbert outpolls him.

While Huntsman’s overall record isn’t bad , he decided that the MSM and not the GOP base, would be the people he would play to. Somebody should have told him that just might be a problem in a GOP primary. As the poem goes:

Young Jon Huntsman, when his campaign first began,
Said: Those conservatives are crazy, man;

Then in New Hampshire, all the ads you could see,
Proclaimed: Nobodies more conservative than me!

Now he’s fundraising left, and Mitt’s voice you can hear:
“At least my flip-flops took a couple of years.”

Now if Jon Huntsman has an actual interest in running again in 2016 he will have to start mending fences with the conservatives he eschewed, but his withdrawal today is at least a nod to reality and in that sense he is at least one step up on governor Perry.

Exit question: What does it say about the State, South Carolina’s largest paper, when 24 hours after the they endorse a candidate he pulls out?

Update: Some commentary around the Net, Byron York:

As he began his campaign, Huntsman hired as his chief strategist John Weaver, the man who ran the 2000 John McCain presidential campaign in which McCain went almost out of his way to alienate Republican voters while trying to appeal to independents. It was an early sign Huntsman might have a problematic relationship with the Republican base.

Last summer, Huntsman invited photographer Annie Leibovitz to take pictures of him for a spread in Vogue, which accompanied a fawning profile by liberal journalist Jacob Weisberg. The article set out in large ways and small how Huntsman didn’t quite fit in on the Republican campaign trail. For example, this is how Weisberg described Huntsman visiting a diner in a small South Carolina town: “Surveying the motley crowd with an ironic expression, he begins, ‘All I can tell you is that I never thought I would be making an appearance at Mutt’s BBQ.'” Huntsman was never a candidate who could seem completely at home at Mutt’s, or with motley crowds.

Sounds so Basil Faulty, we’d have a great hotel if only for these guests.

Ed Morrissey at Hotair:

Jon Huntsman wasn’t a “pragmatic centrist who could reach out to Democrats.” He governed in Utah as a conservative in a state controlled by the GOP, but talked like a centrist who despised conservatives. Huntsman’s expensive and embarrassing flop really isn’t much more complicated than that.


Republicans got the clear message from Huntsman and the campaign that the candidate really didn’t like Republicans. Huntsman didn’t hide his disdain during the debates, and Weaver made that an explicit message for the campaign:

I get the real feeling Ed doesn’t care for John Weaver

Doug Mataconis

As I’ve noted in other posts. I think it’s likely true that his campaign made a mistake in failing to adequately reach out to conservative pundits who may have been sympathetic to him. At the same time, of course, it’s fairly clear that many conservatives rejected Huntsman merely because he accepted an Ambassadorial position under a Democratic President,

That’s a fair point, he was hit for serving which was a false issue. The American Spectator’s W James Antle III expands on it.

They didn’t seem to understand that serving as ambassador to China was a less compelling “country first” storyline than John McCain’s war record or that the president for whom Huntsman was ambassador — one Barack Obama — raised the bar for Huntsman in proving his conservative credentials.

The first rule of Boxing is Never lead with your left. Jon Huntsman did and was knocked out before the 3rd round.

Camp of the Saints

The only thing I will miss are his lovely looking daughters.

His daughter are wonderful ladies, the type of girls I hope my sons take home (if they were Catholic and Italian they would be PERFECT!)

and of course Stacy McCain who nailed it long ago:

Blitzer would never question the legitimacy of Huntsman’s candidacy for the simple reason that CNN anchor is a leading member of Huntsman’s most important constituency, the media. . . .

Huntsman was always every liberal’s favorite GOP candidate — the folks on MSNBC loved him — and that was demonstrated conclusively last week:

According to exit polls, Huntsman only won a handful of demographics in New Hampshire: Democrats, those who oppose the Tea Party, and voters who are generally satisfied with the Obama administration.

Update 2: More commentary Granite Grok

Here in NH, Huntsman’s early attempts to cast himself as a redneck man of the people, and a Harley enthusiast, came over as hopelessly fake, especially after a scheduled ride at Manchester Harley Davidson was abandoned due to light rain.

You better believe that hurt

The Western Experience:

After the New Hampshire primary, Huntsman had two choices to make, stay or go. His third place finished was spun as an accomplishment but as a strategy, it was a failure. Huntsman staked all in New Hampshire and still finished third far behind Romney and short of Paul’s second place finish. Huntsman felt he had nothing to lose by seeing if a third place finish was enough to add a jolt to his chances in South Carolina. A very unlikely prospect as he discovered. If the more moderate voters of New Hampshire rejected him there was very little chance that the more conservative voters of South Carolina would consider him.

Yeah I only know one Massachusetts resident who recently moved to SC

If you missed my interview with Abby Huntsman it’s here:

What a fine young lady! Huntsman may have failed as a presidential candidate this time but he certainly measures up as a father.

Might I be so bold as to suggest to those supporting Huntsman as he withdraws that Rick Santorum is a more principled choice than Mitt Romney?

11:24 a.m. It’s official campaign is suspended, Romney endorsed. Why not end the campaign rather than suspend if you are endorsing?

Wasn’t it just 1 week ago that we were seeing ad after ad in NH telling us how Conservative Jon Huntsman was:

Joseph Bentivegna, an ophthalmologist and moderate, expressed some surprise at the relatively high quotient of former Democratic donors at the Republican presidential fundraiser. “I know there are a lot of Democrats here, and I don’t understand that,” he said before taking out an envelope full of copies of an article headlined “Catastrophic Health Care, For All.” He said the Republicans were nuts for wanting to repeal what they call “Obamacare.”

I’ve heard of turning on a dime, this is turning FOR a dime. Huntsman is running in the wrong primary.

There was a famous Civil war poem concerning Lincoln that I think deserves a re-write for Huntsman:

Young Jon Huntsman, when his campaign first began,
Said: Those conservatives are crazy, man;

Then in New Hampshire, all the ads you could see,
Proclaimed: Nobodies more conservative than me!

Now he’s fundraising left, and Mitt’s voice you can hear:
“At least my flip-flops took a couple of years.”

After finally ending my Gonzo period at 12 noon with 3 hours of sleep (during which fingers Mallow said I only snored for 15 minutes) I grabbed Stacy McCann back in Hollis and we are now at the Derryfield Restaurant where the Rick Santorum “party” etc is going on.

I’ve parked myself in the filing area along with Stacy where I’ve talked to the Owner, he says the guests are polarized either far left or right. I asked if anyone has been talking about Huntsman, and you would think I was talking about Emmanuel Kant at a football game.

In my Under the fedora piece I’ve already predicted the line 1. Romney, Paul, Huntsman, Santorum but things I’ve seen since convince me that Santorum might move up a spot, in fact I’ve actually made a bet with Michael Graham on 96.9 that will involve me winning a dinner if Santorum manages to finish 3rd or better.

Expect updates after I eat some of this first-rate food!

Update: Captain Ed is next to me along with two charming young reporters from CBS and the Washington Post the mood in the place is cautiously upbeat. In the TV reporter area all are awaiting more solid news and chowing on the buffet laid out, a mistake since the primary menu is just so damn tasty.

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With 7% in the order is Romney, Paul Huntsman Gingrich and Santorum thus far per USA today. Would love to see where those numbers are coming from.

Update 2: Romney wins, to nobody’s surprise but consider this. the media market for NH is Boston. Only Massachusetts residents know Mitt better than New Hampshire voters and with that knowledge less than 2 in 5 GOP voters were willing to support him if these numbers hold up.

Update 3: Exit polls show Romney winning all demographics except for Democrats (Huntsman 41%) Independents (Paul 31%) and 17-29 (Paul 46%) One important point. A significant point that will make a huge difference in Republican Primaries that involve….Republicans. Santorum and Paul tie for second actual republicans.

Update 4: Further coverage on twitter by Ed Morrissey and Stacy McCain

Update 5: Santorum just spoke repeating this themes of manufacturing and faith. As the numbers continue to come as I watch Rick and Newt continue to trade 4th & 5th place I can’t help but think that his position on SOPA was the difference between a solid 4th and a long night waiting for the count to finish.

Update 6: Roxeanne comments on her site:

Having learned absolutely nothing about nominating electable moderates to represent the conservatives of America in the general election, the people of New Hampshire have happily handed a second primary win to Mitt Romney.

Of all the people I spoke to who supported Mitt Romney in the state only two did not give the “best chance to beat Obama” reason for their vote.

One of the themes we have seen pushed by the MSM in general and Morning Joe in particular has been the candidacy of Jon Huntsman. All day on Morning Joe they highlighted polls that suggested a surge for Jon Huntsman.

As I have discovered from first hand experience, if the election was based on one’s offspring, Gov Huntsman would be right up there as his daughters that I met are a credit to him as women of character and poise.

And there are reasons why Jon Huntsman should do better, Huntsman has made it a point to do a lot of media with the MSM (he didn’t neglect talk radio row here either) and Governor Chris Christie made it a point to hit him (with a shot I thought was uncalled for) suggesting that Mitt Romeny’s team felt the need to throw an elbow his way.

Polls are a source of data but independent of them there is a simple measure to see how a candidate is doing, the media.

As all the various polls are available to all the media, naturally all the media would be aware of the situation and act accordingly. So lets look at the two events:

When Governor Huntsman arrived at the Pub he greeted various voters.

He was popular with the crowd and many of the democrats there expressed an interest in his candidacy. I was sitting near a family of 4 who declared themselves Huntsmen fans.

When the interview was done he worked the room, and seemed well received by the Morning Joe squad.

In the final 45 minutes of the show Rick Santorum arrived.

A panel was prepared to meet him

This was may initial take

And I managed to score a question as he left.

Looking at the two interviews both were substantive with Senator Santorum’s perhaps slightly more difficult but looking at the appearances as a whole there were two critical differences that stood out.

One favored Huntsman, the crowd was clearly more favorable to him, both by their reaction and by my speaking with them. There is no question that in a two man race consisting of this room, Huntsman had it won. Considering their partisan mix of the room that was no surprise

There is an even more pronounced partisan split in the media, but even with said split there was quite a difference in coverage. While Rick Santorum arrival’s was preceded by a bunch of additional press and pressed by that same media when he left Jon Huntsman’s comings and goings were unimpeded by flocks of extra media.

Now maybe it’s just me but if Jon Huntsman was surging to the point where he might possibility pass Ron Paul, let alone Rick Santorum, wouldn’t you expect at least one media outlet to dispatch a crew to be there to cover him? Wouldn’t they want to be the guys with the shows that everyone else missed?

I would think they would, but they didn’t.

Polls are a useful tool, but when you want to judge the reality of a proposition, always watch behavior first.

Although I had picked Huntsman to finish 3rd and Santorum 4th I’ve made a bet with Michael Graham last night. If Santorum finishes 3rd, he owes me a dinner at the Border. If he doesn’t I how him dinner at Ken’s steak house.

One never knows for sure but I’m feeling pretty good about that bet after seeing the press difference today.

Update: Here is exactly what I’m talking about from PJ media:

THIRD HUNTSMAN SUPPORTER: He can’t…appeal to the evangelicals and that’s like a significant voter bloc. Because he’s not like a Bible-thumping Christian, you know.

SECOND HUNTSMAN SUPPORTER: I get some Democrats who ask me, you know, why isn’t Huntsman a Democrat?

THIRD HUNTSMAN SUPPORTER: Yeah, like he practically is, almost.

The prosecution rests.

That was the line from Rick Santorum as he was absolutely swarmed by press, and voters at the Hillsborough county event at the Crowne Plaza Hotel.

After the Ron Paul event Stacy & I headed to the Hotel which was loaded with local republicans,

Stacy McCain always seems to find tables like this


The press swarms Newt

And some familiar faces

Michael Graham at the Hillsborough county event

The absolute change in the fortunes in fortunes for Rick Santorum meant that when he came in, he was absolutely mobbed to the point where he almost couldn’t move.

santorum swarmed at the Hillsborough county event

But he made time for the Granite Grok folks who had made time for him when other reporters weren’t interested

Santorum signs an autograph while appearing on Granite Grok

In addition to local republicans several candidates took the stage, the first was Newt who’s appearance was brief as he had a town hall later that evening

There were no shortage of Newt Fans in attendence

Buddy Roemer was the Next presidential candidate to take the stage

Buddy Romer gives his stump speech

He made a spirited attack on big money in politics but didn’t seem to get a lot of traction with the crowd. However in my opinion even less was gained by former governor Sununu speaking for Mitt

Fmr Gov Sununu for Mitt Romney

I never saw a sitting governor more ignored, the crowd kept talking as if he wasn’t there, then again considering he claimed Romney fought Gay Marriage in Massachusetts perhaps such mendacity received its proper reward.

Meanwhile Stacy as usual got some attention from the ladies or was it the other way around?

That reaction to Santorum was what I’d been hearing a lot in the last few days.

Rand Paul spoke for his father and spoke well.

He was kind enough to give me some of his time:

He’s a lot shorter than I’d thought he’d be but he stands tall on ideas and principles

Rand Paul makes the case for his father

and made a strong case for the Paul candidacy.

Jon Huntsman’s daughters were also present,

Not only beauty but fine young ladies as well

Stacy McCain who advised them to not become Megan McCain introduced me to them and Abby was kind enough to allow an interview

Jon Huntsman may not impress me as a candidate much but seeing the way his daughters carry themselves he has certainly impressed me as a father. These are young women to be proud of, the type of women I want my sons to bring home.

For a press junkie of course part of the fun is seeing and meeting folks and today was the day

Grok, Graham and Stacy

I met Mark Steyn for the first time.

He talked to me just before I spoke to the Huntsman girls, it turned into an impromptu coffee klatch

What political fan would not want to be here? And if you weren’t here the Granite Grok crew were livestreaming.

I will follow up this post with interviews and speeches that I simply don’t have time to throw in now later in the day or in a new post, and for those Ron Paul fans out there, I do have more interviews from the Nashua event that I will be posting on as soon as I can.

Of course we will be playing some of this on DaTechGuy on Daradio today at 10 a.m. on WCRN with Stacy McCain, Granite Grok and Roxeanne Deluca listen live at or tweet #daradio

OK we’ve gone through months of debate and speculation today we find out exactly what the people in Iowa think.

The polls suggest a good finish for my candidate and I’d love to predict a win for him, but I would not be surprised if he finished anywhere in the top 3.

What will happen? At the risk of looking a fool here is what I think:

1. Paul: I think Ron Paul’s time has actually come, his message of fiscal conservatism has been a “voice crying out in the wilderness” has now moved into the mainstream, and he has built an organization for a decade and this is paying off now. No amount of bad weather will slow them down. I don’t care much for his message of 1930’s isolationism but there are those who do. I don’t think the newsletters will hurt him as much as his son the senator will help him in this state and no matter what you think of him nobody can doubt he means what he says.

2. Romney: A caucus is all about organization and Romney has the organization in spades. His campaign is well-funded and organized and with a large payroll. Like Ron Paul his people are going to show but for a different reason. When all is said and done and the candidates are gone the Romney organization will be in a position to reward friends and oppose foes. It’s like having a Union steward making sure that members show up to an event, or else. Romney is playing a game of attrition and Iowa is step one. It will all be a question on how his finish is spun and believe me his team spin for any finish has already been written.

3. Santorum: He has risen at exactly the right time and if the surge continues he could finish higher. He has a strong record but also the wisdom that comes from defeat and seeing where the people are. His quiet old-fashioned campaign is naturally appealing and his surge is late enough that attacks on him not only won’t have time to get traction but the attacks of his dead child as they mocked his crying daughter six years ago are going to backfire spectacularly. As Stacy McCain notes:

Yeah, it’s her: The Santorum kid who gave me that quote was the same girl who cried so helplessly on national TV that night in 2006 during her dad’s concession speech. I’d forgotten all about that, until I saw the picture. Then I remembered how the video clip had been played over and over on the news, and also on late-night comedy shows while people mocked the way Sarah and her family cried. And I remembered my wife saying how bad she felt while watching that little girl, hugging her doll, and crying for the whole world to see.

Conservatives are in a fighting mood and the memory of late night liberal comics hitting Santorum’s little girl will get them rolling up their sleeves.

4. Gingrich: Newt remains a powerful symbol of GOP success, he has taken the second beating of this campaign and is still standing. He is the single best talker and debater in the party and his telephone town halls are not only creative but effective. People have hit him for saying “I’m not going to win” but I think this year speaking realistically pays off.

5. Perry: His best sound bite came 72 hours too late to make a difference but he still has money and is the sitting governor of a state that is doing great in a bad economy. His main problems are #1 The initial snub of Iowa, #2 Those awful debate performances #3 And the suspicion that he was behind attacks that finished Cain. Unlike other candidates a 5th place finish won’t harm him because as the Governor of Texas people will still need to be on his good side and he strikes me as a man who remembers who was with him and who was not.

6. Bachmann: She deserves better than this but the reality is she has crashed and burned since winning the NH debate several months ago and the defections of both her superpac and her lead man in Iowa are devastating. A break here or there and she and Rick Santorum would be in the opposite positions. I would not be surprised to see her on a Romney Ticket if he wins the nomination and I would approve of such a choice.

7. Huntsman: Only the most loyal Iowans will take time out from picking corn to choose this candidate but in fairness he hasn’t tried to attract them. The irony is if he didn’t come out of the box hitting conservatives he might have done a bit better.

The big question is: Will Bachmann drop out? I doubt it for two reasons:

1. There is a NH debate Saturday and she will want to use it as a last chance.

2. It is in Mitt Romney’s interest for her to still be in play till at least Florida, particularly if Santorum does very well so expect Romney’s people to make sure she has to money to maintain life support to take votes away from Perry and Santorum if he really grows.

The biggest winner of all? Cokie Roberts of ABC who predicted a Santorum win back in November.

Update: Eye of Polyphepus. puts Paul 3rd and bumps Romney and Santorum up a spot but agrees with me otherwise. The right sphere agrees with Polyphepus on the top 3 but Puts, perry 4th, Bachmann 5th Newt 6th and Huntsman last.

Update 2: Stacy McCain asks the $64,000 question at Hotair and the Spectator that will be repeated after tonight.

How can Gingrich and Perry’s advocates claim that they are credible alternatives to Romney, if they can’t even beat a low-budget underdog campaign like Santorum’s? And what does it say for the vaunted superiority of those other campaigns that they failed to realize Santorum was moving ahead here until it was too late for them to respond effectively?

The first requirement for electability is to win elections.

Update 3: The final stake through the heart for Bachmann comes from Sarah Palin:

“As for Michelle Bachmann. She has a lot to offer, also, but I don’t think it is her time this go around. And I believe that unless she, too, wants to spend her own money or borrowing money and perhaps go into debt. Which heaven forbid, you do that to your family? Perhaps she is one, too, who would start saying ‘supporters of mine, why don’t we coalesce around one of the other candidates and let’s move together as a team to get that right primary candidate chosen?'” Sarah Palin said on FOX News today.”

…is Morning Joe pushing Huntsman ads again in order to bring Romney’s numbers down in New Hampshire.

Update: How much do these guys hate Gingrich. They just quoted a Mark Steyn piece on NRO favorably.

Whoa, hold up there. What exactly is so conservative about the Newt Gestalt? When Romney dared him to return his Freddie Mac windfall, Gingrich responded by demanding that Mitt “give back all of the money he’s earned from bankrupting companies and laying off employees over his years at Bain.” That’s a cute line if you’re a 32-year-old Transgender and Colonialism major trying to warm up the drum circle at Occupy Wall Street, but it’s very odd coming from the supposedly more-conservative candidate on the final stretch of a Republican primary.

And they didn’t even comment on the Transgender and Colonialism major line. That’s serious.

For several months we have seen the spectacle of the media promoting first a Jon Huntsman candidacy for president

We have seen him handicapped ahead of others who now lead.

When Huckabee decided not to run they talked Huntsman. He went on Comedy central where the GOP is mocked.

We’ve seen the him touted by as proof of what is wrong with republicans in Vogue and be the source of a Democratic Highlight reel.

We saw Dave Wiegel talk of his his disdain for House Republicans and his seeking the GOP nomination by courting non-republicans.

Though all the media praise, however his poll numbers just didn’t match the hype but that didn’t stop the MSM from pushing him and having him on their shows. All of them touting him as a “sensible conservative” alternative to Mitt Romney.

Now the numbers are slightly different. The media does not see a “nameless not-Mitt” at the top of the heap, they see Newt Gingrich an experienced pol of long standing who for all his faults is a skilled and able in the art of political warfare.

Given that situation and given the media history of the last several months, the I’m sure the Huntsman campaign expected yesterday’s event to be huge. The Media’s favorite Republican Jon Huntsman taking on the ultimate liberal boogyman mano a mano in New Hampshire, the state where Hunstman has put all his eggs in the basket.

It should have been perfect for the MSM, Huntsman looked presidential:

The crowd was good

It drew press:

And not only did Huntsman came across as strong, knowledgeable and a viable GOP alternative…

…but it was full of substance, that which he media supposedly craves.

Yet this morning I didn’t see any clips on MSNBC, I didn’t see any commentary of Huntsman standing up to Newt. I heard a lot of talk about people voting for Ron Paul 3rd party if Newt wins but nothing.

Governor Huntsman must have been scratching his head this morning. Where was the coverage? Where was the attention that the adoring media has showered upon him in the past? Cripes Hot air covered it more than Morning Joe.

Why this answer is this story.

After dodging the question twice in two days, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman appeared to shut the door on running as a third-party candidate for president, if he doesn’t become the Republican presidential nominee.

“I’m not running as an independent. I’m not running as an independent,” Huntsman told reporters after a town hall meeting this morning. “I don’t know how many times I have to say that.”

This is the first time Huntsman appeared to completely rule out a run outside the Republican Party, and it’s his most definitive answer to date. Previously, the former ambassador to China seemed to leave the option open, saying he was running in the GOP and planned to win the Republican nomination.

Governor Huntsman seems like a nice fellow and is likely more conservative that he lets on, but he was played by a Journo-listic MSM that convinced him there was a demand for his candidacy. When he came into the race he was used as a stalking horse for the entire GOP field. He could count on all the air time he wanted as long as he was hitting his fellow GOP candidates. And even as he failed to catch fire beyond a high single digit in New Hampshire he could count the MSM to give him some air time.

Not anymore.

The race has changed, damaging Mitt Romney is no longer the priority. Mitt has to be propped up, nurtured and saved. The left understand as it always did Mitt is the weakest possible candidate to face Obama in 2012, not only for the White House but for congressional candidates too. Jon Huntsman is a candidate designed to take votes from Mitt and damage him, but they MSM don’t DARE let Mitt die, not if it raises Gingrich.

Huntsman’s performance yesterday does nothing to make Newt less popular, but would certainly impress potential Mitt voters. A month ago when Newt wasn’t on top that might be fine, today, it doesn’t serve his purpose.

Now that there is no chance for him to be a 3rd party candidate for liberal republicans who dislike Obama’s policies to vote for there isn’t even that reasons to have him come. The only other alternative is for him to play the Stephen Schmidt position as a “former GOP presidential candidate” on a panel. There is a reason Morning Joe was talking Ron Paul today.

Jon Huntsman is an intelligent and accomplished man and if by some miracle he is nominated I will have no problem voting for him over Obama but as far as the MSM is concerned I believe they think he’s outlived his usefulness and he may only now be figuring out that his friends in the press have been taking him for a ride.

So let this be a lesson for any future person thinking of running for the GOP nomination someday in the future. The MSM is not and will never be your friend and if you think otherwise then you have no business running for president.

After yesterday’s debate members between Gingrich and Huntsman, team Huntsman were giving out fliers concerning a post-debate event at St. Anselm’s coffee shop.

The coffee shop

There was a fair-sized crowd there including a lot of young Huntsman people when the candidate came in and started pressing the flesh

he moved from supporter

to supporter

to supporter

and his team was ready to take shots

As he talked to students

Studying for finals

I interviewed two of the students one of whom, amazingly was not only from the same town as me, but went to school with my oldest.

and I talked to a state Rep who supports him.

One might have thought that the debate which proceeded this event would have been a big boost for the Huntsman campaign but there seems to be a catch, which I’ll discuss in my next post.

Today after a week of antibiotics and the pneumonia under control it was time to head up North to cover another NH event, the debate between Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman

At St. Anselm College

St. Anselm

The way to the college is NH route 101, it was a valley of signs for all kinds of candidates

This one is for barbara Espinsoa

When I got to St. Anselm the first thing I noticed was the near total lack of transmitter trucks:

A borrowed truck for use by Carl Cameron of Fox

There wasn’t a big gaggle of press at first, although Joe Klein show up and ask me for directions.

I ducked into the administration building before the debate, after all colleges advertise too:

Exactly what you should see in the admin building of a Catholic College

By the time I came out a second truck showed up.

Truck #2 arrives

From there I went back to the hall where the debate was to take place. Nobody was allowed in before three and the front door was guarded by a young lady and her entourage:

Yeah, we bad...

I asked if they would like to comment but after a call to their superiors I was informed they were not allowed to talk Since they were not allowed I did what comes naturally and began interviewing other people for their thoughts. Alex, a Huntsman supporter was the first person I talked to.

After I talked to him I noticed that some people had entered the “free speech” zone, there were holding signs for Gingrich but were without question not supporters of the campaign.

Newt Hecklers

There were very loud and when I talked to David, a Romney guy you could hear them in the background.

I then discovered an actual Newt Supporter who I interviewed next

At this point an actual Newt campaign person showed up, the women were very apologetic to her but she shook it off noting it was part of the political game.

I asked the real Newt person who they were with and discovered they were Ron Paul people. I was surprised as I’ve never known Paulians not to directly push their candidate, but I should have guessed by the remarks concerning war and Israel.

Shortly after some actual Newt people showed up holding signs

Including a very familiar face from my last NH trip

Gun for Hire

He declined to comment on his migration to Newt from Cain so I went inside. Both Campaigns had tables set up Huntsman

and Newt

As I poked around the entrance way I found a 2008 Catholic voting guide

As Gingrich is a convert I asked for comment but got none, but I did interview a lady from an independent group:

And shortly afterward now that I knew who the people outside were I decided to interview them:

At this point the debate was about to start, I went inside to charge my laptop as I had no press pass or ticket, as I sat on the floor charging when author Terry Tibbets and his wife came in, (btw his book The Life and Loss of Don Hollender would make an excellent Christmas gift it’s available in paperback, hardcover and for the Kindle.) spotted me and said hello…They didn’t have ticket but as there were no shows they were able to get a pair. The moment I heard that I checked at the table and suddenly credentials or no, reservation or no I was in.

It was pretty packed. When the candidates entered they were received warmly, sat together and the round table began

Topics were handled in detail, 5 min per statement, and both sides got a rebuttal. You can likely find the entire debate online in better quality so here is a glimpse of a question on Iran.



And both

Both candidates came across as well-informed, intelligent and conservative, I’d have to give Newt the slight edge but Huntsman certainly showed he belonged on that stage.

Huntsman talked about our relationship with Afghanistan as “Transactional” Gingrich noted the odd mix of 3rd and 1st world in the area where you can leave a Four seasons and a block away there is squalor, he said the Obama administration doesn’t look at reality, on China he mentioned “We can’t count on China to match us in stupidity”, and Huntsman finished saying the US was still an example and light for the world.

I talked to many people in the crowd. All agreed they like this format, all agreed both should do more of these. I think that Newt helped himself but helped Huntsman more. Although only one person talked to me on camera this reaction was typical:

Romney was the biggest casualty, if Huntsman is considered a viable alternative to Mitt that’s where his votes would come from. I think it was a huge mistake for him to run by hitting conservatives and tea party guys early, but that’s what got him the MSM positives early.

Whoever told him that was a good way to play, sold him a bill of goods.

When the debate was done, there was a Huntsman event that I attended, but that’s another post….

Update: Interesting there are less links on the memeorandum thread about the Newt / Huntsman debate than on my rant yesterday concerning funding

He expects a bump from appearing on Colbert?

On Monday, the former governor swapped out the New Hampshire house party circuit for Comedy Central’s “The Colbert Report” in an effort to obtain the popularity propellant that is “The Colbert bump.”

“I like you,” host Stephen Colbert said to Huntsman. “I like the cut of your jib. I don’t know what a jib is but I like the way you cut it.”

“In recent polls you are at two percent. Are you ready for the Colbert bump?” Colbert asked.

“I am so ready for the Colbert bump,” Huntsman answered.

Memo to ABC and the Colbert Campaign, Colbert is not even a pretend republican. His whole shtick is being what liberals think republicans and conservatives are.

As I’ve said before, Jon Huntsman is running to be the goto republican on ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC to critique the GOP after 2012.

Tomorrow on WCRN AM 830 DaTechGuy on DaRadio in addition to covering the presidential debate, and the difference between the Occupy Everywhere people and the tea party but most of all it’s the week for YOU to call 508-438-0965 or 888-9-FEDORA (888-933-3672) and make your case for the candidate of your choice.

With Sarah Palin out of the race I am officially undecided.

So where should I go: Do you support Mitt Romney? Is Rick Santorum your guy? Do you think that Ron Paul is what the country needs, or that Rick Perry will generate the jobs the nation needs?

Is Michelle Bachmann the real conservative? Is Newt’s Brilliance a gift to the nation? Can Jon Huntsman be the practical alternative? Should we give Gary Johnson or Buddy Roemer the look that the media will not or is Herman Cain and 9-9-9 going to deliver for the country.

Or perhaps you think we need 4 more years of Barack Obama?

Whatever you think this is your chance, listen at and call in Saturday 10 a.m. EST to noon on Saturday October 16 and make your point, with 50,000 watts behind you.

Update: Herman Cain made his case yesterday big time:

The Friends of Herman Cain presidential campaign committee reports total third quarter contributions of $2,813,341.52 with cash on hand of $1,333,778.56. The committee reported no debt.

He’s managed to move to the front of the pack WITHOUT DEBT! That sounds really good right now doesn’t it?

Once the debate was over the candidates and/or their proxies went to the “spin” area to make their cases. Since that’s where I parked my self after I updated my blog and twitter feed I jumped in:

General spin room just after debate:

Herman’s Cain’s spinner he had the line of the night: “Cain drove the debate.”

Romney’s spinner was pleased as well he should be:

Bachmann’s rep seemed a tad unsure of himself although her performance was her best since the last NH one

Rick Perry’s man should have played the Karen Tumulty card, I set him up to do so, but he didn’t

At this point I did a quick pan of the room

But shortly after in came Herman Cain and the Mob rush was on, if you judge by media interest there is no question that Cain won the debate:

The fedora really came in handy here, Mr. Cain recognized me and answered my question concerning driving the debate, it was at that point that I ran to the laptop to start uploading video. (BTW note to MSM candidates are more likely to give you time if you gave them time when they were down in the polls)

As the files were importing and uploading I saw Howard Finemann talking to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, he seemed very peeved that I was recording and asked who I was recording for. It’s good to have a radio show on WCRN.

Ms. Wasserman Schultz was a bit surprised by my Cuba question, but it was a favor to both of us. It was a friendly question but it took her off message, AND reinforced a the difference between her and her caucus.

She is dead wrong on a lot but people on the right side of Cuba and tyranny should be encouraged and complemented for it.

Next came Gingrich’s man, I don’t know if I was off a bit or he was but it didn’t seem to flow

And then Rick Santorum in person, he agreed with my point that it was a bad night for Obama

Too bad so few people saw it on Bloomberg, I finished with Ron Paul’s guy

There is no question that Romney will win NH but don’t be surprised if Paul comes in second, a lot of people in this state like him.

I got a shot of Jon Huntsman

but didn’t get close enough for a question. That’s my bad, but he was the least important person there since the only voters that might have changed to Mitt from the Christie endorsement were his.

and here is the photo gallery for your amusement

I’m sure Huntsman will love the former president backing him up just before the next debate:

“If you’re an American, the best thing you can do is to make it politically unacceptable for people to engage in denial” about climate change, the former president said on the first day of the Clinton Global Initiative’s seventh annual meeting in New York City.

“I mean, it makes us — we look like a joke, right? You can’t win the nomination of one of the major parties in the country if you admit that the scientists are right? That disqualifies you from doing it? You could really help us there,” Clinton added.

Of course I don’t know if Clinton has heard of Ivar Giaever, but it wouldn’t matter if he did, he hasn’t changed. He still has great political skills and remains an unusually good liar.

I’m going to score this on a 10 pt must system

WINNER Herman Cain 10.0: Answered questions directly and drew complements from other candidates, pushed his plan that is simple enough to understand. Needed to be noticed and was.

Rick Santorum 9.9: Strong answers and strong punches landed on Paul and Perry, had one so so answer that kept him behind Cain, spent a lot of time in a mutual admiration society with Gingrich.

Michelle Bachmann/Newt Gingrich 9,8: Both did what they had to do, Bachmann started slow but was strong and not shy about throwing punches, The contribution angle is going to smart because of the Palin follow-up. Great Obamacare answer too. Gingrich excelled again and simply needed to stay relevant, If I had to give an edge to one it would be Bachmann because she had more to lose.

Mitt Romney 9.7 : Fairly solid performance, the experience of running before really helps. He had one or two weak answers but outpointed Perry which is all that matters. Because he is comfortably ahead of the people who did better than he did it’s not a problem, at least not yet.

Rick Perry 9.6: Hesitated a bit at first but settled down but was a constant target and was hit solidly and it showed. It was not enough that it will cost him the lead but he was clearly off-balance. How he comes back in the next debate will really determine how he can take a punch.

Ron Paul 9.2 I can’t understand how he didn’t go back to that Fed question that he wasn’t asked that was a mistake, other than that he was himself. He handled the medical question very well, but the Bin Laden question really hurt him for the general public but Paul is not about to be something he is not. He likely cost himself consideration among the general public, but Paul will not pander and answered honestly. I can’t see what else he could have done.

Jon Huntsman 9.1: It takes a lot of effort to do a worse job than someone who is unwilling to absolve American from blame on 9/11 but Huntsman managed to do it. His “Treason” comment on Perry sounded contrived, although he referenced his plan he did a poor job of making it clear. His driver license answer while hitting Perry didn’t work and his Afghanistan answer was horrid. But the media loves him so he’ll be back.

Tea party 9.8 Most questions were solid and I liked starting with the national anthem, no horns on anyone’s head and people who watched the debate and the tea party members didn’t see a bunch of racists unless they were already in Andre Carson land.

CNN 9.6 Started slow and I thought he could steer the questions slightly better but Wolf wasn’t bad. Best debate to date.

Bottom line: The difference between the top 6 was close enough that it won’t move much, Bachmann did enough to keep her in it, and we need to see if Perry can keep taking hits, Romney is helped by the minor candidates all doing well.

Update: Stacy Points to a key moment:

It fell to former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, a favorite of many social conservatives, to point out the difference between Gardasil and other vaccinations. “Ladies and gentlemen, why do we inoculate people with vaccines in public schools? Because we’re afraid of those diseases being communicable between people at school. And therefore to protect the rest of the people at school, we have vaccinations to protect those children. Unless Texas has a very progressive way of communicating diseases in their schools… then there is no government purpose served for having little girls inoculated at the coercion of the government. It is big government run amok. It is bad policy and it should not be done.”

This is a real problem for Perry, in the primaries and every debate he is going to be hit again and again on this.

I have no idea how this will go but we will soon find out:

My Take, Cain, Santorum and Bachmann helped themselves, Rick Perry was bloodied, Romney stayed steady but not great, Huntsman hurt himself, Paul was Paul, Gingrich was solid.

A lot more substance than other debates, likely due to the tea party business.

9:49 p.m. Silly question about adding in, Gingrich hits on Tzars.

9:44 p.m. Huntsman’s answer to the women translated: “Let them die, not our problem.”, Perry agrees.

9:42 p.m. Santorum hits Paul HARD on 9/11. Paul is Paul, I’ll say this for him, he’s consistent.

9:39 p.m. Paul: “Difference between military and defense spending.”

9:38 p.m. Cain on energy independence not bad, Gingrich on defense spending.

9:37 p.m. Calls in-state tuition a states rights issue, a bad hit on him.

9:35 p.m. Romney almost gets it on the Latinos question.

9:33 p.m. Huntsman suggests Perry is treasonous for saying we can’t secure the border. Plays the License isn’t an ID card.

9:31 p.m. Bachmann don’t give taxpayer subsidies for breaking the law.

9:30 p.m. Perry defends in-state tuition Santorum hits.

9:28 p.m. Perry says boots on the ground and agents rather than a fence.

9:27 p.m. Illegal immigration question Santorum 1st.

9:22 p.m. That last round was bad for Romney and Perry and good for Bachmann, Paul and Santorum. Stacy Live-blogging too.

9:20 p.m. Bachmann makes an important point about wavers being able to be undone.

9:18 p.m. Ron Paul points out how communities used to take care of their own, important cultural point.

9:16 p.m. Perry says Romney care is the wrong move but the state has the right to do it if it wants.

9:15 p.m. Romney not defending Romney-care attacking Obama-care

9:14 p.m. Suggests “loser pays” laws

9:12 p.m. Santorum throws a roundhouse on big government, Perry tries to defend, I think he took a big hit on this

9:10 p.m. Bachmann talks about political donations and the drug companies. Perry hits back.

9:09 p.m. Little girls don’t get a do over says Michelle Bachmann hitting Perry, hits Obama on the morning after pill.

9:08 p.m. Perry gives a mea-culpa, should have gone to legislature but defends his motives.

9:06 p.m. Paul on executive orders, should never be used to legislate

9:06 p.m. Romney says the “fair tax” would hurt middle tax.

9:05 p.m. “Would any of you be willing to support the fair tax?”

9:03 p.m. Gingrich brings up GE when Wolf hits the oil companies, still not asked the question given.

9:02 p.m. Huntsman says 8-16-24 and talks debt

9:01 p.m. Love the question: “Out of every dollar I make, how much should I be able to keep?” Who will answer it?

9:00 p.m. Romney doesn’t hit the fed as hard, who is going to run the currency Congress? They didn’t let Paul touch the fed question, amazing!

8:58 p.m. Perry doesn’t back down from the “Treason” business, if the fed is used for political purposes.

8:57 p.m. Cain hits the fed in terms of the monetary exchange rate, Bachmann talks about almost unlimited power of fed and loans to foreign governments.

8:55 p.m. Question on federal reserve, goes to Santorum first but a slow ball over the plate for Paul when it gets to him.

8:53 p.m. I think Cain has helped himself the most so far, but nothing exciting yet.

8:50 p.m. Since that initial back and forth it’s been a more open debate.

8:49 p.m. First non-tea party question, can you be pro-business and pro-worker at the same time?

8:48 p.m. Gingrich points out that jobs are created by the American People not governments.

8:47 p.m. Perry: “People aren’t coming to Texas because we’re overtaxing them.”

8:46 p.m. Ron Paul points out you don’t pay for people being allowed to keep their own money. Important line.

8:45 p.m. Perry talks tort reform, that’s why Romney will never be short of campaign money.

8:44 p.m. “If you are dealt four aces that doesn’t make you a great poker player.” Romney

8:41 p.m. Cain pushing the 9-9-9 plan again. “You don’t know how Washington works, yes I do, it doesn’t!”

8:40 p.m. Bachmann stress not raising the debt ceiling still a strong point

8:39 p.m. 1/2 of zero jobs is still zero jobs says Perry

8:37 p.m. Wolf seems to be rephrasing the questions when asked.

8:33 p.m. First break, no word from the democrats to explain the lack of horns or hoods on the tea party members in the audience.

8:32 p.m. Michelle Bachmann talks personal responsibility

8:31 p.m. Ron Paul hits the wars again, but also wants to cut dept of Education and energy

8:30 p.m. Did Romney just push Cut, Cap and Balance?

8:29 p.m. I hate hearing about “waste and fraud” it exists but almost never gets touched.

8:27 p.m. Just saw Ali Akbar in the crowd, Stacy is rooming with him for this trip.

8:26 p.m. Are all the questions going to be from Tea party members? Great!

8:24 p.m. Santorum points out he was talking about this 17 years ago.

8:23 p.m. Gingrich delivers the Bazinga! “I’m not worried about Romney or Perry scaring people when Obama does it every day.”

8:22 p.m. Huntsman talks against “drama” then offers some and backs up Ryan.

8:21 p.m. Herman Cain: “I don’t care what you call it, it’s broken.” Offers an actual solution.

8:20 p.m. If I’m one of the other candidates I would ask directly are we part of this debate or not? Paul points out the Social Security money has been spent.

8:18 p.m. Perry given a chance to respond to Romney, are they going to play the Perry Romney show again?

8:17 p.m. Romney hitting Perry with his book.

8:15 p.m. Bachmann talks about keeping promise, Perry follows up asks about his op/ed guarantees benefits for existing seniors but been called Ponzi scheme long before me.

8:13 p.m. Good first question how do you convince seniors to allow the changes

8:11 p.m. Bachmann mentions founding tea party caucus, good move.

8:10 p.m. I like starting with the anthem but it’s not good that it took 10 min to get to the candidates

8:08 p.m. Yay! Dianne She opened many a tea party the same way! That’s awesome!

8:07 p.m. Bachmann get a big hair upgrade, Cain gets the biggest cheer, Huntsman almost doesn’t get one.

8:05 p.m. Cripes is this s football game? Looking for the cheerleaders on each side as they come on

8:03 p.m. Just saw Andrea Shea King in the audience

8:01 p.m. Notice that Huntsman was 4th on the list though last in the polls

I see a lot of people pushing this piece on twitter:

While there me some disagreement over the winner of last night’s NBC/POLITICO debate, there was an incontrovertible loser — former top-tier candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN).

If you read the media reports you would think she was dropping out tomorrow, let me tell you something the only person in the Bachmann camp in danger of job loss is her hairdresser (her hair looked AWFUL)

Now I haven’t endorsed Bachmann or any of the current presidential candidates but that’s ok because we are months MONTHS before the first real votes are cast.

Let me clue everyone in on something: The last debate highlighted Bachmann vs Pawlenty for 2 reasons:

1. That’s what the media template created

2. It was good television and its all about the eyeballs.

This debate was all Romney, Perry & Huntsman for three reasons:

1. Romney Perry was the media template already made

2. Romney vs Perry was good television and it’s all about the eyeballs.

3. It’s MSNBC and they love Jon Huntsman the way Cyrano loved Roxanne as Stacy McCain noted::

A press release from the Herman Cain campaign notes: “During the 1 hour and 45 minute debate, Cain received a total of five questions for less than six minutes of speaking time.” But Cain is an actual Republican, whereas Governor Asterisk (Huntsman) worked for the Obama administration and favors gay civil unions, so we know who gets the media love, right?

The “Bachmann is fading” is the new template for the media so you will see more of that. Perhaps that why she’s decided to try to force a new one called Bachmann steps up:

She didn’t get a lot of camera time in Wednesday night’s Republican presidential debate, but Rep. Michele Bachmann may be in the spotlight Thursday night, following President Obama’s jobs speech in front of Congress.

The three-term congresswoman from Minnesota and GOP White House hopeful announced Thursday morning that she will hold a news conference on Capitol Hill to react to the president’s address

The question is will the media like that template or do they prefer: ” Bachmann gets desperate?”

Either way whatever CNN decides the next template is for the next debate will be what they push because the media always validates itself, and wants good television.

Make Template, Push Template, Validate Template; Wash, rinse, repeat, that is what you will see over and over until actual votes are cast and the people change the template for them.

Until that day, I would not panic or worry or let the media decide who to support, who to contribute to or who should run and who should not.

Rick Perry: Was both strong and hesitant in some of his answers. Looked rusty, but he has a lot of debates to fix that.

Mitt Romney: Helped himself looked professional and practiced did very well.

Michelle Bachmann:Good answers but I have to agree with Rev Sharpton, nothing memorable.

Ron Paul: He was Ron Paul+ Same strangeness but better presentation and liked how he dealt with several issues.

Rick Santorum: One or two really strong answers (particularly on the Catholic thing) but he needed to be stronger.

Herman Cain: Best debate since the 1st one, I think he helped himself a lot.

Newt Gingrich: If I’m Newt I want debates every day, very strong.

Jon Huntsman: Both helped and hurt himself some strong answers but at best he will get from 1% to 2% with them.

Biggest winner is likely Romney the biggest loser MSNBC that is so politically correct that they brought in a person of Spanish ancestry to ask the immigration issue, how condescending, how liberal how racist. Why not have Williams ask the immigration question and let the “Hispanic” reporter ask about taxes, don’t “Hispanic” people pay taxes too?

If you want to understand why it was more important for Dede Scozzafava to lose in NY-23 then it was for Doug Hoffman to win in Ny-23 look no further than Jon Huntsman on This Week.

The Democratic National Committee just blasted out a greatest-hits reel from Huntsman’s Sunday show appearance, wherein the former Utah governor criticized Rick Perry for being anti-science, Michele Bachmann for being unserious about the economy and Mitt Romney for being a flip-flopper.

This is exactly what would have happened if Dede Scozzafava won:

The moment Dede votes with Pelosi that bill becomes “bi-partisan” by definition. The fact that it is only one republican will make no difference, the MSM will trumpet it as “bi-partisan”. When ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBCBET wants to talk to a republican on an issue SHE will be the one they call. She will become the face of the republican party that will be pushed and lionized. She will be the reason why “conservatives need to back off”.

The reality of all of these things will not matter, the media will push them as if it was true. If you don’t believe me look at how they treat Olympia Snowe, Look how they treated Chuck Hagel, Look how they treated Chris Shays and of course look at how they treated McCain when he wasn’t running for president. Republicans who attack republican positions are always welcome in the limelight.

Remember the NRCC spent $900k on her and she was so grateful when she dropped out of the race she endorsed the Democrat.

Let’s make it clear, Jon Huntsman is not running for the Republican nomination for president. He is running for a permanent place as the “goto former GOP presidential candidate” on every MSM show during the general election and beyond.

You will never go broke or lack face time on national television as a member of the GOP willing to hit republicans in general and the right in particular. Glenn Reynolds put it best:

POLITICO: The DNC’s New Surrogate: Jon Huntsman. That’s pretty much how most Republicans think of him, I suspect — if they think of him at all, which I rather doubt.

Hey, maybe if Obama dumps Biden he can name Huntsman as the new Veep. I think he’d be a worthy successor to Joe Biden.

I haven’t met the man and I don’t know if I’d like him or not, on occasion he can be insightful and I don’t have an issue with him being ambassador to China under Obama but his presidential run was totally MSM generated and if he actually convinced himself otherwise then he is too easily fooled to be Commander-in-Chief.

Update Jacob Weisberg of Vogue on Morning Joe today when told that Huntsman is well received by the media but can’t get out of single digits (you mean 1%) with the party and that demonstrates what is wrong with REPUBLICANS?

Even funnier he says that non centrist republicans “can’t win elections” There are 63 members of congress who weren’t there in 2009 that would disagree with you.

And Howard Dean says “there is no thinking man in the Republican party” and Eugene Robinson tells us we have known about the “Greenhouse effect” for 100 years. Do these people do anything but talk to themselves?

As Alexander Burns says at politico: “Jon Huntsman continues to dominate the contest for East Coast media love“.

11:04 p.m Winners Santorum and Gingrich losers Romney and Huntsman. Pawlenty got noticed, Bachmann and Cain did good but likely did not advance much For Bachmann that’s ok for Cain that’s a problem, Ron Paul was…Ron Paul.

11:01 p.m. Gingrich: We’re in a crisis now start saving the country now, call congress back.

11:00 p.m. Huntsman: Obama won on hope, I’ll win on solutions.

10:58 p.m. T-Paw: I am the effective conservative leader

10:58 p.m. Bachmann: worst closing so far

10:58 p.m. Romney: He (Obama) doesn’t understand on how the economy works. Good hit on Obama.

10:57 p.m. Paul, Our liberty comes from creator give a full Paul answer.

10:57 p.m. Cain: I represent Growth, if the economic engine doesn’t improve the rest doesn’t matter

10:56 p.m. Closing remarks will anyone break out Santorm ok

10:55 p.m. Cain hits unfunded mandates

10:55 p.m. Huntsman on No child left behind, education should be local. Not a bad answer. Good defense for Boehner.

10:53 p.m. Hits back on debt ceiling before final remarks.

Round 4 belongs to Santorum without a doubt.

10:49 p.m. Santorum showmanship vs leadership lands a solid blow on Bachmann and Paul

10:48 p.m. Weigel talks about hitting the front runner (Romney) but Romney has been the invisible man.

10:46 p.m. Gingrich hits the Fed and Paul backs him up.

10:44 p.m. Cain backs up Bachmann, but not a memorable answer, Cain answers that you need comprehensive changes. Good answer: Uncertainty is killing us. It’s their money!

10:41 p.m. Bachmann points out the problem with the debt ceiling deal, asked what she would say to annalists answer: “We just heard from S & P”

10:42 p.m. Huntsman is invisible.

10:40 p.m. Personal accounts for unemployment? Interesting idea from Mitt? Best answer of the night from him.

10:38 p.m. T-Paw talks about moving forward when you can, good point.

10:37 p.m. If Santorum wasn’t in my top 3 before he is now.

10:36 p.m. Bachmann defends traditional marriage.

10:34 p.m. Santorum is answering strong on Gay Marriage. He has been strong and decisive in the 2nd half.

10:32 p.m. Huntsman defends civil unions, which nomination is he running for?

10:31 p.m. Romney spins the Marriage debate, he didn’t fight for it in Mass.

10:29 p.m. York asks if Bachmann will be “submissive” to her husband as president. That was a low blow.

10:28 p.m. Cain asked about what the south believes about Mormonism. He is being diplomatic.

10:25 p.m. Gingrich: There is nothing illegitimate about making sure people working for the US are loyal.

round 3. Santorum won that round, TPaw second. Paul most memorable but for all the wrong reasons. Gingrich still up overall but not by much, Bachmann, romney and Huntsman invisible.

10:20 p.m. I don’t apologize for the Iranians being free, Santorum is on a roll on the terror issue.

10:18 p.m. Bachmann defends Gitmo etc, answer was ok but she left out something big, Bachmann plays the “classified info” card, Paul defends trials. Not a bad defense.

10:17 p.m. Cain’s answer on Iran is good.

10:15 p.m. Santorum hits a roundhouse on Paul, did I just hear Paul say we’ve been at war with Iran since 55? Am I actually hearing this?

10:13 p.m. Paul defends Iran and suggests they are not going for the bomb and if they do who cares? And people want him to be president?

10:11 p.m. T-Paw hits Obama & CLINTON on Syria: “He’s not a reformer he’s a killer!” on Assad! Great answer.

10:09 p.m. Huntsman gives his best answer of the night on Cybersecurity and China

10:07 p.m. Newt on Libya; He is playing with the questioners, and hitting Obama at the same time. “We have a bigger strategic deficit than a fiscal deficit”

10:06 p.m. Romney shown two opposite statements and says he has the same view. His tone isn’t bad but he is not winning any votes tonight.

10:05 p.m. T-Paw hitting Obama on Afghanistan. It’s still worth it.

10:04 p.m. Again Gingrich answers best but Bachmann is a close second.

10:02 p.m. Huntsman jokes about prayer, that’s was a huge mistake, but it won’t hurt him with his voters.

10:01 p.m. It’s the “everybody hit Rick Perry question.”

10:00 p.m. After 2 rounds Gingrich is winning with Cain, Bachmann & Pawlenty the most memorable besides him.

9:57 p.m. T-Paw hits both Bachmann and Paul and goes directly about Moral Law, his is playing the full actual Catholic! Bravo.

9:55 p.m. Ron Paul talks about the marketplace vs the government and about corporate power vs doctor and patient his best answer of the night.

9:53 p.m. Bachmann answers on health insurance about the power of government to force people. She answers the question that Romney ducked on me almost 1 1/2 years ago.

9:51 p.m. Mitt Answers on 10th amendment grounds but doesn’t answer the court question. If anyone votes for Romney after the court question they are a fool.

9:50 p.m. T-Paw gets an Obamnycare question what will he do: T-Paw and he follows up with a full roundhouse on Mitt on spending in Mass, and on judicial selections mops the floor on him.

9:49 p.m. 10-1 deal. spending cuts vs tax increases. Everybody raises their hands, Gingrich hits the super committee and really goes to town.

9:45 p.m. Santorum decides to elbow Bachmann during his answer, compromise but keeping the core on an answer.

9:44 p.m. T-Paw was shy about attacking Romney but not about hitting Bachmann, there is real bad blood there.

9:42 p.m. Bachmann gets the tax question turns it into an abortion answer and Pawlenty follows up hitting Bachmann and she strikes back. If Pawlenty was a woman it would be a pay per view mud match.

9:41 p.m. York follows up with Pawlenty on Taxes, Pawlenty
like Romney ducks the question at first, but does says he regretted the cig tax increase. Hits Obama on vacation.

9:40 p.m. Byron York asks Romney about taxes increase on Mass. Taxes to Romney. Ducks the answer on taxes and seems to be spinning on Mass record.

9:39 p.m. Ron Paul answers like….Ron Paul. Gives anti war answer on border security.

9:37 p.m. Gingrich gives ok answer on border and English as language.

9:36 p.m. Cain: “High fences and open doors.” Best line of night.

9:35 p.m. Cain: “America’s got to learn to take a joke”

9:32 p.m. Boring question and answer to Huntsman and Romney on immigration. Romney does differentiate between legal and illegal immigration that’s important.

9:30 p.m. Cain asked about the rookie mistakes: But comes back strong on Sharia law.

9:30 p.m. “When you are asked to serve your country you do it.” Very good answer but the rest of it is so so

9:29 p.m. Too much attention to minuta and not enough on debate says Newt, It was a valid question, but he played that smart.

9:27 p.m. Gingrich notes Reagan and McCain both had money issues. This is the type of format Newt thrives in and it shows.

9:24 p.m. After rnd 1 Gingrich & Cain #1 on substance on style Bachmann & T-Paw

9:22 p.m. Romney stresses his private sector experience and defends Mass. Record. brings up Herman Cain.

9:18 p.m. Bachmann doesn’t let up when Wallace follows up with her, “People are looking for a champion”, how will Pawlenty answer? Pawlenty counters saying she has a “record of speaking wrongly”. If this is her record of results she isn’t much of a leader.

9:16 p.m. Pawlenty hits both Obama and Bachmann in his comment ,not a bad answer or a bad hit, Bachmann counters with implementing cap and trade and requiring individual mandate etc. Pretty good for both of them.

9:15 p.m. Santorum’s answer the least memorable, not good when you are in single digits.

9:12 p.m. Pawlenty emphasizes his online plan, stresses the lack of Obama plan, good pivot. He does the same thing that I did on the radio. “I will come to your house and cook your dinner and mow the lawn if you can find Obama’s plan.”

9:12 p.m. Gingrich knocks why him with no business experience question by going to divided government.

9:11 p.m. Huntsman says his plan isn’t up because he’s only been running for a month and a half, bad answer for first debate question.

9:09 p.m. Cain gives the most direct answer best answer so far on what he would do.

9:09 p.m. Paul gives long answer but ducks the divided congress part of the question

9:08 p.m. Romney gives a line about “not eating Obama’s dog food” and just about all of Twitter retweets it.

9:06 p.m. So far 3 questions to two people and each question has been ducked.

9:04 p.m. Romney gets Bachmann question, talks about steps to take and hits Obama

9:02 p.m. Bachmann gets first question, goes straight to the debt ceiling.

9:01 p.m. Byron York means good questions

9:00 p.m. Will drink each time Neo Confederate Sex panic is mentioned.

I’m thinking about doing a show with a twist next month.

I’d like to get bloggers who support individual candidates in the GOP primaries to come into the studio to make their case for their candidate.

The idea is that a blogger who supports each candidate would be in studio and answer questions concerning why they support said candidate and defend their choice under questions from each other.

I’d like to put this together for say the 4th week in July or the 1st week in August. Preference would be given to bloggers who could get into the studio since we have limited phone lines. If the individual campaigns wish to assign an actual blogger for the show that is fine too.

So if you are a blogger who supports Michelle Bachmann, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Herman Cain, Tim Pawlenty, Rick Santorum, Jon Huntsman, Gary Johnson, Buddy Romer, or Newt Gingrich I want to hear from you. If Rick Perry or Sarah Palin jump in by the time of the show, I have no objection to including their supporters too.

Update: Tentative date is Aug 6th and the Michelle Bachmann spot is taken by the Right Wing Gamer. One down 9 (or 11) to go.

Update 2: In case it isn’t clear the studio is in Worcester Massachusetts

Concerning Jon Huntsman

So the antidotes to Mark Sanford and Sarah Palin were Arnold Schwarznegger, Charlie Crist, and … Jon Huntsman. He’d just won re-election by a landslide—still a kind of feat for a Utah Republican—and he was happy about taking stimulus cash. He thought the spending bill could have been bigger. He thought congressional Republicans were “inconsequential.” His party was calling the president a socialist, and Huntsman was calling them nuts. (Weaver prefers “cranks.”) He expanded SCHIP in his state. He supported civil unions. The press saw the GOP’s future, and it spoke Mandarin.

And of course there is the Harry Reid connection:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who said this week he prefers Jon Huntsman to Mitt Romney in the GOP Mormon presidential primary, has taken a lot of money from the Huntsman family, and the former Utah governor appointed Reid’s son, Josh, to Utah’s Board of Regents.

So no wonder Reid said Tuesday, “If I had a choice in that race, I’d choose Huntsman over Romney.”

And if they had a choice – and they did – many members of the newly minted presidential candidate’s family, including his parents, chose Reid in the most important U.S. Senate race in the country last cycle.

Jon Huntsman isn’t the candidate the GOP wants, he’s the candidate that the Media wants the GOP to want.

Update: Apparently the path to the Republican nomination is according to Huntsman is to avoid republicans:

In an interview with POLITICO, Huntsman made clear that he plans to capitalize on election rules in New Hampshire and South Carolina that allow independent voters to cast ballots in the GOP presidential primary.

I can hear the withdrawal speech now: “And I would have won the nomination if it wasn’t for you meddling Republicans!”

…when he suggested in comments that this advice to Sarah Palin:

Unfortunately I suspect a lot of professional consultants, including some close to her, want her to run because they see a meal ticket that will keep them in cigars and whiskey for years.

…might be better given to Jon Huntsman.

This pre-assumes that as Charles seems to believe Huntsman is being used by people who are feeding his ego. It has been suggested that Huntsman is a media creation. I think that’s right. As Jennifer Rubin says:

I’ve yet to find a single Republican office holder, former campaign adviser, or conservative activist who takes Huntsman seriously.

Neither have I and I suspect she speaks to a lot of more moderate GOP folk than I do.

What’s going on here? I think people are reading this Huntsman stuff entirely the wrong way:

Huntsman isn’t running to become president. He’s running to become a presidential version of what Dede Scozzafava would have been, the goto Republican for the MSM when they want to attack the GOP.

The big difference is unlike Dede who needed to win to become that voice, Huntsman can lose and still fulfill this function.

He can be on Morning Joe or Spitzer and be introduced as “former GOP presidential candidate” and will make a living on the airwaves and in the GOP cocktail circuit telling anyone who will listen what is wrong with the “extreme” agenda of the GOP. As David Frum has demonstrated, it’s a living.

I woke up at 4:30 this morning (no Willie I don’t know why) and caught the end of a re-peat of Meet the press. What did I find? the MSM Psy-ops is still in progress.

When discussing the Huckabee decision the panel considered two factors, on the “likeability” front they gave Tim Pawlenty the explicit advantage. Then they mentioned his strength among Christian Conservatives and said such candidates appealing to that demographic might gain from his departure, but didn’t name any names.

Really, the media panel hasn’t heard of any Christian conservatives who might be running? Maybe I can help them. Herman Cain or Michelle Bachmann ring a bell? Oh and perhaps you might have heard of some woman by the name of Palin, I’ve heard she has sold a book or two over the years.

Perhaps they must all be Politico readers because in their story on Huck’s decision I noticed they gave the conservative candidates the short shift.

In a thirty-two paragraph story here is what they had to say:

Several strategists predicted that grassroots conservative activists — drawn to Huckabee’s seat-of-his-pants, outsider campaign — would take a good look at Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain.

That’s paragraph 12 are they mentioned again in one sentence in paragraph 22 like so:

Republicans there said that, without the defending caucus-winner in the race, it was now anybody’s game. Pawlenty, who has been working the state hard, could get a fresh look, along with Bachmann, Cain and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

That’s it. Two sentences in a three page story. Meanwhile John (I have absolutely no prayer of winning the Nomination but don’t tell the MSM that) Huntsman gets this:

South Carolinians pointed to former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich as candidates who could benefit there from Huckabee’s withdrawal. Huntsman already has Richard Quinn, a South Carolina strategist who also flirted with Huckabee, working for him, and could stand to pick up more of the Arkansan’s admirers.

“I would very seriously consider [Huntsman’s] candidacy,” said former South Carolina Gov. David Beasley, suggesting that Huntsman could capture voters who were drawn to Huckabee’s sheer newness on the national stage. “When Jon expressed an interest in running it definitely caught my attention because he might be just the fresh face on the field that’s needed at this time in the Republican primary process.”

Somehow the Politico also manages to leave out it there is any effect on a certain former Alaska governor. Meet the Press and the Politico feeds Morning Joe we can be almost certain that we won’t see much if any of the names, Palin, Cain or Bachmann this morning.

We shall see if they join the operation this morning, as Rush has said, the MSM will tell you who they fear and these omissions speak volumes.