Liberal Impeachment talk? It’s a Trap!

by Datechguy | May 15th, 2013

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Liberal Impeachment talk? It's a Trap!

FRIAR LAU­RENCE Wisely and slow; they stum­ble that run fast.

Romeo & Juliet Act 2 Scene 4

Lt. Kaf­fee: It’s doesn’t mat­ter what I believe it only mat­ters what I can prove

A Few Good Men 1992

9th Doc­tor: Peo­ple have died, Cas­san­dra. You mur­dered them.
Cas­san­dra: It depends on your def­i­n­i­tion of ‘peo­ple’. And that’s enough of a tech­ni­cal­ity to keep your lawyers dizzy for centuries.

Doc­tor Who The End of the World 2005

One of the great­est and most com­mon mis­con­cep­tions about events is his­tory is the aura of inevitability.

Peo­ple read­ing about the Amer­i­can Rev­o­lu­tion, the Civil War, the Space Race, The Yan­kees dur­ing the 50’s all tend to nat­u­rally feel it was inevitable that these events would turn out as they did. We see a lot of this in revi­sion­ist his­tory where peo­ple cri­tique deci­sions made not based on the knowl­edge the peo­ple had but on the “facts” they come up with decades later.

Back dur­ing the Nixon era while I was still a pre-​teen infat­u­ated with his­tory and had not yet dis­cov­ered a cer­tain scarf wear­ing Mad­man in a box I would rush home from school and watch the Water­gate hear­ings won­der­ing what might hap­pen next. Like the peo­ple who today think of Water­gate as some­thing that was prac­ti­cally des­tined to be I didn’t under­stand how many things took place behind the scenes that facil­i­tated Nixon down­fall par­tic­u­larly the skilled moves by the Democ­rats in the house.

For­tu­nately for peo­ple inter­ested in these things Tip O’Neill included an infor­ma­tive chap­ter in his auto­bi­og­ra­phy Man of the House that detailed not only the twists and turns that led lead him as Demo­c­rat Major­ity Leader at the time, to sus­pect that the Nixon admin­is­tra­tion was up to no good in terms of polit­i­cal intim­i­da­tion but of the right deci­sions made by the con­gress and the wrong deci­sions by the admin­is­tra­tion that led to their own downfall.

It is almost a hand­book as to what to do and what to avoid in a sim­i­lar situation…

…and that brings us to the Obama admin­is­tra­tion and the IRS.

As a crim­i­nal inves­ti­ga­tion begins we’ve seen some the “I” word, Impeach­ment thrown about.

Now a lot of that is on twit­ter, but that’s no big deal, a lot of words are thrown about on twit­ter, but some of it has been thrown around in the press.

The funny thing is a lot of the peo­ple doing so are of the left,

This is not an acci­dent, the left under­stand that talk of impeach­ment now would be a dis­as­ter, not to the pres­i­dent, but to those build­ing the case against him.

As Tip O’Neill notes pub­lic opin­ion led the con­gress on impeach­ment. Democ­rats were hes­i­tant to move for­ward until polls showed otherwise.

Now we of course have a dif­fer­ent envi­ron­ment today. Instead of a Repub­li­can pres­i­dent attacked by a demo­c­rat press and gen­er­ally friendly to the Demo­c­rat major­ity, you have a Demo­c­rat press who has tra­di­tion­ally defended Barack Obama that dis­likes the GOP major­ity in the house.

This is all the more rea­son to let the pub­lic get there first. The con­gress HAS to be per­ceived as inves­ti­gat­ing facts. If the facts con­tinue to go where the evi­dence seems to be point­ing the pub­lic will demand action.

A great exam­ple of the dan­ger of mov­ing early was Fr. Robert Dri­nan (D-​Mass) who intro­duced a res­o­lu­tion of impeach­ment on the last day of July in 1973 over the Bomb­ing of Cam­bo­dia. As O’Neill writes it almost blew the game:

polit­i­cally , he damn near blew it, for if Drinan’s res­o­lu­tion had come up for a vote it would have been over­whelm­ing defeated by some­thing like 400 – 30. With so many mem­bers already on record as hav­ing voted once against impeach­ment it would have been extremely dif­fi­cult to get the to change their minds later one.

mean­while if a vote came up and failed, Repub­li­cans, who at the time were not con­vinced that there was any “there there” would have said when a later res­o­lu­tion came up:

Why bother? We’ve already been through this.”

As Dri­nan refused to with­draw his res­o­lu­tion and all res­o­lu­tions on impeach­ment are priv­i­leged the lead­er­ship O’Neill took extra­or­di­nary mea­sures to make sure the res­o­lu­tion was not called up keep­ing one of the lead­er­ship ready on the floor 247 ready to table such a res­o­lu­tion. Because he didn’t want to give them the idea to move Drinan’s res­o­lu­tion for­ward. After a long time of this he finally approached Jerry Ford who told them bluntly the White House had rejected the idea. As O’Neill wrote:

By not forc­ing an early vote on impeach­ment, Nixon’s allies made a tremen­dous mis­take. In addi­tion to win­ning the vote, the Repub­li­cans could have turned impeach­ment into a party issue which might have allowed Nixon to remain in office and blame the Democ­rats for harass­ing him, But in the sum­mer of 1973 the White House couldn’t imag­ine that Water­gate would end in the down­fall of the president.

And that is the trap.

I’ll wager not too may mem­bers of the Tea Party have read O’Neill’s book, nor GOP mem­bers of con­gress but I’ll wager plenty of peo­ple on the left have. They under­stand that if the GOP moves early, before democ­rats are on board, it becomes a party issue so they are going to do their best to force our hand before the facts are in evidence.

I sus­pect the facts on this case are going to be damn­ing to this admin­is­tra­tion. The best thing the con­gress can do is to inves­ti­gate and let these facts come out to the Amer­i­can peo­ple and watch the admin­is­tra­tion stall and cover up. The press already finds them­selves split on this issue, only the most par­ti­san seem will­ing to defend the IRS with­out question.

This morn­ing Politico yes POLITICO reported in dis­be­lief on MSNBC on the data being asked of Tea­Party groups. As long as the con­ver­sa­tion is about what the IRS did and if the White House co-​operated pub­lic opin­ion will move. Right now that’s where the con­ver­sa­tion needs to be.

The White House and their allies will do their best to wave the red flag in the hope we charge, instead we should sit back and let this scan­dal and the inves­ti­ga­tion cook.

And when it is ready the evi­dence pre­sented the peo­ple and the votes will be there for the next step.

Update: You can get Tip O’Neill’s Man of the House at Ama­zon for .01 plus $3.99 ship­ping all over Ama­zon. Buy it, you’ll need it soon.

Update 2: “Led” instead of “lead” corrected

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FRIAR LAURENCE Wisely and slow; they stumble that run fast.

Romeo & Juliet Act 2 Scene 4

Lt. Kaffee: It’s doesn’t matter what I believe it only matters what I can prove

A Few Good Men 1992

9th Doctor: People have died, Cassandra. You murdered them.
Cassandra: It depends on your definition of ‘people’. And that’s enough of a technicality to keep your lawyers dizzy for centuries.

 Doctor Who The End of the World 2005

One of the greatest and most common misconceptions about events is history is the aura of inevitability.

People reading about the American Revolution, the Civil War, the Space Race, The Yankees during the 50′s all tend to naturally feel it was inevitable that these events would turn out as they did.  We see a lot of this in revisionist history where people critique decisions made not based on the knowledge the people had but on the “facts” they come up with decades later.

Back during the Nixon era while I was still a pre-teen infatuated with history and had not yet discovered a certain scarf wearing Madman in a box I would rush home from school and watch the Watergate hearings wondering what might happen next.  Like the people who today think of Watergate as something that was practically destined to be I didn’t understand how many things took place behind the scenes that facilitated Nixon downfall particularly the skilled moves by the Democrats in the house.

Fortunately for people interested in these things Tip O’Neill included an informative chapter in his autobiography Man of the House that detailed not only the twists and turns that led lead him as Democrat Majority Leader at the time, to suspect that the Nixon administration was up to no good in terms of political intimidation but of the right decisions made by the congress and the wrong decisions by the administration that led to their own downfall.

It is almost a handbook as to what to do and what to avoid in a similar situation…

…and that brings us to the Obama administration and the IRS.

As a criminal investigation begins we’ve seen some  the “I” word, Impeachment thrown about.

Now a lot of that is on twitter, but that’s no big deal, a lot of words are thrown about on twitter, but some of it has been thrown around in the press.

The funny thing is a lot of the people doing so are of the left,

This is not an accident, the left understand that talk of impeachment now would be a disaster, not to the president, but to those building the case against him.

As Tip O’Neill notes public opinion led the congress on impeachment.  Democrats were hesitant to move forward until polls showed otherwise.

Now we of course have a different environment today.  Instead of a Republican president attacked by a democrat press and generally friendly to the Democrat majority,  you have a Democrat press who has traditionally defended Barack Obama that dislikes the GOP majority in the house.

This is all the more reason to let the public get there first.  The congress HAS to be perceived as investigating facts.  If the facts continue to go where the evidence seems to be pointing the public will demand action.

A great example of the danger of moving early was Fr. Robert Drinan (D-Mass) who introduced a resolution of impeachment on the last day of July in 1973 over the Bombing of Cambodia.  As O’Neill writes it almost blew the game:

politically , he damn near blew it, for if Drinan’s resolution  had come up for a vote it would have been overwhelming defeated by something like 400-30.  With so many members already on record as having voted once  against impeachment it would have been extremely difficult to get the to change their minds later one.

meanwhile if a vote came up and failed, Republicans, who at the time were not convinced that there was any “there there” would have said when a later resolution came up:

“Why bother?  We’ve already been through this.”

As Drinan refused to withdraw his resolution and all resolutions on impeachment are privileged the leadership O’Neill took extraordinary measures to make sure the resolution was not called up keeping one of the leadership ready  on the floor 24/7 ready to table such a resolution.  Because he didn’t want to give them the idea to move Drinan’s resolution forward.  After a long time of this he finally approached Jerry Ford who told them bluntly the White House had rejected the idea.  As O’Neill wrote:

By not forcing an early vote on impeachment, Nixon’s allies made a tremendous mistake.  In addition to winning the vote, the Republicans could have turned impeachment into a party issue which might have allowed Nixon to remain in office and blame the Democrats for harassing him, But in the summer of 1973 the White House couldn’t imagine that Watergate would end in the downfall of the president.

And that is the trap.

I’ll wager not too may members of the Tea Party have read O’Neill’s book, nor GOP members of congress but I’ll wager plenty of people on the left have.  They understand that if the GOP moves early, before democrats are on board, it becomes a party issue so they are going to do their best to force our hand before the facts are in evidence.

I suspect the facts on this case are going to be damning to this administration.  The best thing the congress can do is to investigate and let these facts come out to the American people and watch the administration stall and cover up.  The press already finds themselves split on this issue, only the most partisan seem willing to defend the IRS without question.

This morning Politico yes POLITICO reported in disbelief on MSNBC on the data being asked of TeaParty groups.  As long as the conversation is about what the IRS did and if the White House co-operated public opinion will move.  Right now that’s where the conversation needs to be.

The White House and their allies will do their best to wave the red flag in the hope we charge, instead we should sit back and let this scandal and the investigation cook.

And when it is ready the evidence presented the people and the votes will be there for the next step.

Update: You can get Tip O’Neill’s Man of the House at Amazon for .01 plus $3.99 shipping all over Amazon. Buy it, you’ll need it soon.

Update 2: “Led” instead of “lead” corrected

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